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6/30-7/2 Red Sox vs Cubs Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 1, 2014 23:22:58 GMT -5
At this point, the Sox REALLY need to honest with themselves. If they're really expecting a Pedroia like deal for Lester, and they refuse to budge off of that fantasy, they really need to trade him, and if they do that they might as well deal Lackey and Uehara, along with just about everybody else, and consider 2015 a rebuilding year.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 1, 2014 23:23:22 GMT -5
Brock Holt can play seventeen positions, Betts can become an outfielder in a matter of weeks, but the Red Sox broke Xander by moving him from short to third? It's absurd. Completely ridiculous. Brock Holt and Mookie are just happy to be there, Xander has been groomed to be the next superstar. So why him? Why does he have to defer to Drew? Why did Drew had to "speak" to him and tell everyone that they are on the same page. I guess everyone is build the same, lol. Maybe its because he is the Pride and Joy of his country and he sees the move as a demotion, no one, not you or I can tell with him, but he was doing very good before Mr. No Hitter Breaker was signed, money they could of used on Cruz, since they can't hit if their lives depends on it atm. So basically he's less able to change positions than those other guys because he's MORE talented than they are. Makes perfect sense.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 1, 2014 23:23:43 GMT -5
So why didn't the Red Sox multi million dollar front office and scouting department see this? They should of moved him at AAA or maybe AA, glad the experts are seeing this now and have help the Red Sox make this decision, even tho they still see Xander as a SS. My post had nothing to do with the Red Sox front office or decision makers or scouts. I was giving my opinion on his defensive abilities, that's all. In my eyes, he's best suited for 3rd base. And in my eyes he's not.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 1, 2014 23:24:58 GMT -5
Brock Holt and Mookie are just happy to be there, Xander has been groomed to be the next superstar. So why him? Why does he have to defer to Drew? Why did Drew had to "speak" to him and tell everyone that they are on the same page. I guess everyone is build the same, lol. Maybe its because he is the Pride and Joy of his country and he sees the move as a demotion, no one, not you or I can tell with him, but he was doing very good before Mr. No Hitter Breaker was signed, money they could of used on Cruz, since they can't hit if their lives depends on it atm. So basically he's less able to change positions than those other guys because he's MORE talented than they are. Makes perfect sense. If that's what you took from that, then it made perfect sense... for you.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 1, 2014 23:25:15 GMT -5
My post had nothing to do with the Red Sox front office or decision makers or scouts. I was giving my opinion on his defensive abilities, that's all. In my eyes, he's best suited for 3rd base. And in my eyes he's not. Ok, why?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 1, 2014 23:29:16 GMT -5
Brock Holt can play seventeen positions, Betts can become an outfielder in a matter of weeks, but the Red Sox broke Xander by moving him from short to third? It's absurd. Completely ridiculous. Just back from celebrating an event our non-profit adopted, and we actually made money. So I got home, all full of champagne, hoping to see a win. No such luck. It's a slump for Bogaerts, something players go through all the time, really. Right now it seems to be almost impossible to get everyone hitting on all cylinders at the same time. Hopefully that bodes well for the second half, with everyone regressing in the positive direction - at the same time. Hopefully. It's not unheard of, though I know it seems like a real stretch right now when it's all so ugly. Things change though, really they do.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 1, 2014 23:30:13 GMT -5
Cuz I wanna trade peavy back and get Iglesias?
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 1, 2014 23:31:16 GMT -5
When Pedroia first came up and struggled there was no outcry of excuses for him. When did this site get so thin-skinned about prospects? He is a young kid going through a slump. Why can't that just be as it is? People certain people are just looking for reasons to blame the front office and blame Stephen Drew when really it is on Xander. Cut the crap with the special treatment just because he is a super talented young Red Sox player. He is young and going through a slump, it happens to even the best of rookies at times. Stop freaking out and trying to blame other people, it is absurd! I was not posting at the time, but I read, I love Pedey from the door and I wanted him to be given a chance. I do not want any player in a Red Sox uniform to fail, because they come and go but the Red Sox name still lives on. Yes, Xander is in a slump, it happens, but to some of us it happened when Mr. Wonderful came back, I don't mind the Drew signing as a back up and for a lot less than 10 mil, but not to take Xander's position.
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 1, 2014 23:33:55 GMT -5
You can't blame Drew for both his slump and Xander's. You just can't, that's ridiculous. Just because you like Xander and you don't like Drew doesn't mean you can blame one for the other's performance.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 1, 2014 23:38:31 GMT -5
Losing to a team thats actually TRYING to tank. Thats a wake up call. We're not going anywhere this year. Thats a clutch loss tonight.
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 1, 2014 23:38:56 GMT -5
Because he has played there all his life, because at 21 he will only get better and his size and footwork won't hinder him as much as you say it does. And because even thought I do not agree (like most armchair GMs) with some of the things the Red Sox do, they never moved him in the minors like they have so many others. Now if in a few years, you want to move him cause there's no progress or because Marrero has become the player with all want him to be, then let's move him. Back in 2008 when Pedey was going through his long slump at the beginning, he was allow to figure out on his own, in his position, without having to look over his shoulder.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 1, 2014 23:44:13 GMT -5
Because he has played there all his life, because at 21 he will only get better and his size and footwork won't hinder him as much as you say it does. And because even thought I do not agree (like most armchair GMs) with some of the things the Red Sox do, they never moved him in the minors like they have so many others. Now if in a few years, you want to move him cause there's no progress or because Marrero has become the player with all want him to be, then let's move him. Back in 2008 when Pedey was going through his long slump at the beginning, he was allow to figure out on his own, in his position, without having to look over his shoulder. he played third base in both the minors and MLB last year
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Post by malynn19 on Jul 1, 2014 23:45:09 GMT -5
You can't blame Drew for both his slump and Xander's. You just can't, that's ridiculous. Just because you like Xander and you don't like Drew doesn't mean you can blame one for the other's performance. Yes I can, I am entitled to my opinion, last I checked. No, Drew is not in a slump, he's just Terribad, I just don't see what the big deal is with Drew and before that dude with no real opinion, that just likes to plaster a hundred links per topic comes in here I am off to bed. Night guys, you may not agree with me or I with you, but we are all Sox fans, lets just win. Go Trey!!
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 2, 2014 0:14:29 GMT -5
at this point, it would improve the team if we could trade Drew for JD Drew. Stick 'em in center field.
But, in fairness, ever outfielder we've had over the past 5 years is having a horrible 2014. Even Mitch Maier.
Think of where we'd be without the Brock Holt trade ... and peeples on here wanted to waive him off the 40-man last year?
Ryan Sweeney, Cody ROss stink. lars Anderson Leftfielder hitting 254. JC Linares is hitting the cover off the ball in Mexico. If ever a team needed a trade ....
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 2, 2014 0:26:02 GMT -5
Bryce Brentz has some terrible timing.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 2, 2014 0:59:52 GMT -5
Drew is in a slump
After a lack of ST in 2013, he went 8-52 (.154) in 16 games with an OPS barely over .500. Rest of the regular season, he hit .267 with an OPS over .800.
So far, after zero ST and a week in the minors, he started 9-63 (.143). I'm not sure why there is a ton of surprise that he's gotten off to an abysmal start at the plate given that he hadn't had a legit AB since October.
Do I expect him to hit 275 with an OPS over 800 the rest of the way, no. But I do expect something similar out of his bat in addition to his plus defense. I also think it has minimal to no effect on Xander, so I view the signing pretty much on its own. Maybe a slight decrease to Xander because he isn't getting game reps at SS, but I'm not convinced that he will be there long term anyways, and I don't think the Sox are either.
They made the Drew move when they were still well in it, with the hopes that his bat would come around and coincide with the rest of the bats waking up. But there's still no semblance of an average offense, so the move looks worse than it really is
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 2, 2014 2:42:53 GMT -5
But, in fairness, ever outfielder we've had over the past 5 years is having a horrible 2014. Even Mitch Maier. Of course if you were willing to go back 6 years, you'd find that Coco Crisp is hitting like never before in his career.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 2, 2014 6:02:46 GMT -5
Trade Peavy to MIL for Jeremy Hermida. And Brad Snyder of the Rangers continues to hit in AAA ... he became a free agent on Monday. Sign him and put him in the BoSox lineup. Yes, he's a lefty. The Sox passed on Snyder on the waiver wire last week. Why. thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Brad-Snyder
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 2, 2014 6:39:35 GMT -5
It has gotten to the point that I watch less and less of each passing Red Sox game this year. This team is not worth investing 3 or 4 hours on a daily basis. It is much more enjoyable watching baseball on ESPN or MLB. At thus point I am sick of guys like Ortiz making excuses for the sorry state of the Red Sox. This is about as bad a team as 2012 with the exception that BobbyV is not around to throw everyone under the bus.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 2, 2014 7:32:17 GMT -5
Bryce Brentz has some terrible timing. Ain't that the truth! Looking at the paucity of offense in our outfield, this could have been his year. As it is, he has aggravated a hamstring injury that has kept him on the DL since 5/15 and will likely do so for at least a few more weeks. Damn!
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Post by larrycook on Jul 2, 2014 7:35:02 GMT -5
It has gotten to the point that I watch less and less of each passing Red Sox game this year. This team is not worth investing 3 or 4 hours on a daily basis. It is much more enjoyable watching baseball on ESPN or MLB. At thus point I am sick of guys like Ortiz making excuses for the sorry state of the Red Sox. This is about as bad a team as 2012 with the exception that BobbyV is not around to throw everyone under the bus. There is a quote from Ortiz on an ESPN Boston article with Ortiz saying the problem is the "pitching man". He talks about Jackson getting a change up over for a strike. In my mind, this is what I have been saying since spring training. Opposing pitchers are bringing their "A" game when facing the defending world champions and the defending wold champion hitters are going through the motions. The veterans have not raised their intensity or focus to meet the intensity of their opponents. I do want to say that while I was bashing Pedroia regularly earlier in the year, he has now brought his game up a level and playing tremendous baseball all the way around. Our veterans hitters are just way too complacent and comfortable embracing failure. PS: I have no complaints with the pitching staff, they have done an amazing job. If the hitters had showed up this season, we could easily be 12 games up in the win column from where we are today.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jul 2, 2014 7:50:34 GMT -5
Larry I agree the lack on intensity and focus on the part of the majority of the Red Sox batters is downright embarrassing for guys who are supposed to be professionals. I feel bad for the Red Sox pitchers for the lack of support. The Red Sox fans who paid top dollar for tickets in 2014 also deserve an apology for such pathetic performance by this team.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 2, 2014 8:27:18 GMT -5
You knew it was going to be a long night in bottom of 2nd. AJ is slow getting out of the box on the ball he hit off the wall. Gets thrown out by 20ft at second. Drew walks and gets picked off 1b with 2 outs and a runner on third. That's a little league play Stephen. They're two veterans. Our youngster are struggling; Bradley and Bogaerts. Thank god we won it last year. Only playoff appearance in the last 5. Not good for a big-market team.
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Post by jmei on Jul 2, 2014 9:41:05 GMT -5
Here's the thing: even if you accept, for the sake of argument, that moving Bogaerts to 3B messed him up mentally and caused this slump, what's the argument that moving him back to SS is going to get him out of it? He's been the worst hitter in the league over the past few weeks, and moving him back to SS isn't going to diminish the pressure on him (if anything, it'll only intensify it).
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Post by godot on Jul 2, 2014 9:51:18 GMT -5
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with Bogaerts, if possible? To say he is in a slump only describes and does not explain, unless 'slump' is some magical entity that comes and goes into a hitters body. Likewise, looking at a hit chart, while more informative than 'slump', it is also descriptive to a large extent. It probably does show if he is chasing. Now a lot of hitting is mental and confidence, but it is also mechanical and technique. Hitters do lose their rhythm and can "press", but what is there about his mechanics that are out of whack. I am a low level amateur when it comes to this, but have formed some impressions. Can someone inform. Thanks.
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