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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 4, 2014 23:41:07 GMT -5
I think some of these arguments are silly.
Django keeps beating the Abreu drum. Beat it all you want but you tell me what it would have been like if the news of the Boston's signing of Mike Napoli's replacement happened during the damn World Series? How do you really think that would have gone over?
Do you really think the Sox needed that kind of distraction at that particular time? That's pretty silly to think that wouldn't have had some impact on the Series the Sox were playing and the World Series trumps any one player.
Had Abreu waited until after the World Series to make his decision, then I'd have an issue with the Sox not getting him.
Perhaps you would have been happier had the Sox gotten bounced by Detroit in the ALCS. With the season over, maybe then they would have gone all out and have gone the extra mile to sign Abreu. Then the Sox would have had the player, not the World Series rings. If that's your end game, sorry the Sox were still playing in the Series. The Red Sox made a bid that was competitive but one that they knew would be short.
As far as the Cruz stuff goes it's such revisionist history.
Forget the fact that he was a lousy OF. He was a PEDs guy who just got caught. Is that somebody you'd really want to invest in? I'm surprised he's having such a great season. Maybe he found a way to get away with it this year. Who knows? But I don't blame the Sox for not wanting to blow a 1st round pick for a PEDs guy who can't play any defense at all. (And he really can't play defense - if he really could the Texas Rangers would have been the 2011 World Champions.)
The Red Sox stink this year, but I think it's for a far simpler reason than I've seen brought up around here.
All players have a bell shaped career curve. Sure the peaks and valleys are higher and more sustained for certain sets of players versus the rest, but the bottom line is that in 2014 the Red Sox feature a lot of vets who are now descending past the peak of their careers while also containing young players on the downward part of the uphill slopes of their careers.
In other words, we've seen the best of guys like Nava, Victorino, Drew, and Peavy, and likewise we're seeing some downhill sledding from Pedroia and even Ortiz to an extent.
Bogaerts and Bradley will see better days ahead and Betts will continue to improve. They're not there yet.
The 2014 Sox are caught in between and that's why you're seeing crappy performances all around. It stinks, but it happens.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 5, 2014 3:18:45 GMT -5
So, Lester and Lackey today, spot starter on Wednesday. Gotta hope it'll be RDLR.
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Post by jmei on Jul 5, 2014 8:13:47 GMT -5
Abreu with #27 (still on pace for 50+) and meaningless RBIs #68 and #69. Stop posting these on the gameday threads. Every time you do, you start the same inane argument that has been rehashed a dozen times already. It always derails the thread, and you keep posting it in completely unrelated contexts. If you want to keep an Abreu home run counter in the throwdown forum, you can do so, but I will be deleting any future posts of this ilk in the general forums.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 5, 2014 9:33:49 GMT -5
Strange tweet:
Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb 31m Lavarnway has his nameplate up in #RedSox clubhouse
later followed by:
Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb 28m As many of you have noted, Lavarnway is still on the 60-day DL, & his nameplate is still up in #RedSox clubhouse. Could be a long day here. . . . Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb 5m Left hander Tom Layne extra player for Game 2 #RedSox
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Post by larrycook on Jul 5, 2014 9:44:38 GMT -5
So, Lester and Lackey today, spot starter on Wednesday. Gotta hope it'll be RDLR. I really hope so as well. No doubt in my mind that he has earned the Wednesday start with his past performance. I just hope all this yo-yoing doesn't mess up his head. I think the Sox are show casing Peavy, but either they are asking for too much in return or other teams are not interested/looking at other trade partners, or both.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 5, 2014 9:52:22 GMT -5
Both Wilson and Britton have tumbled down the depth charts and Layne has at least risen enough for a 1 day promotion to sit in the pen. Shame Hill didn't stay another week though, he might have gotten into a game if needed today.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 5, 2014 9:54:21 GMT -5
Maureen Mullen ?@maureenamullen 9m
Layne has to be put on 40-man roster. Red Sox were at 39, Layne makes it 40.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 5, 2014 10:48:46 GMT -5
Sox are going to burn an option for a one game appearance in the bullpen by Lane. Evidence that he may not be in their long-term plans ... he can only ride the Express likely for one more year now.
But the Layne Fan club is happy that he will get some time this year and prolly be with the team on option in '15. Maybe.
Everything is lining up for Webster on WED.
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 5, 2014 10:50:23 GMT -5
David Ortiz is gonna be so pissed that they have to play two games today especially with no off-day tomorrow.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 5, 2014 10:57:30 GMT -5
Sox are going to burn an option for a one game appearance in the bullpen by Lane. Evidence that he may not be in their long-term plans ... he can only ride the Express likely for one more year now. But the Layne Fan club is happy that he will get some time this year and prolly be with the team on option in '15. Maybe. Everything is lining up for Webster on WED. He's already made himself the 1st guy removed from the 40 man roster in all liklihood already, the latest Justin Thomas.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 5, 2014 10:57:52 GMT -5
David Ortiz is gonna be so pissed that they have to play two games today especially with no off-day tomorrow. Papi's not starting Game 1. I kid you not. AJP is dh'ing.
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 5, 2014 11:14:55 GMT -5
That doesn't preclude complaining.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 5, 2014 11:30:39 GMT -5
Shame Hill didn't stay another week though, he might have gotten into a game if needed today. Hill is coming out of the bullpen prepared today ... Sox would trade Layne to an appropriate team, rather than waive him. Another AL team would grab him in a NYY minute. ( Got talent, with options.)
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 11:51:33 GMT -5
You are a moderator. Set an example and treat people with respect. What is with this "to get your binky stuff" and "were you asleep the last ten years". It is condescending for a moderator and abuse of your "position". Godot, it's okay. I myself have referred to Abreu as "my binky." As for the other stuff Norm says, I take it with stride.
Discussion of Abreu upsets some people because they realize what could have been. There's an interesting quote in this article:
www.si.com/mlb/2014/04/09/jose-abreu-chicago-white-sox-cuba
"He (Abreu) can really hit, there's a comfort factor there because of his track record, and ownership groups are mad because they didn't sign Puig and have since seen what he's done."
I suppose the civil discussion here might revolve around what peoples' realistic expectation of Napoli's future with the team are. Do we see him playing into his late thirties with the team? If not, then what do we see on the horizon at first base? This, more than anything else, is what irks me about missing out on Abreu.
It's friggin' annoying because you've said the same thing a billion times and we have to hear you announce every single home run he ever hits in the major leagues. The entire board knows your opinion. Why the need to discuss it ad nauseum? Go work on inventing a time machine.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 5, 2014 12:28:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Ortiz is not playing? I'm at the game and kinda confused. Would've been nice to have him up. Thanks.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 5, 2014 12:37:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Ortiz is not playing? I'm at the game and kinda confused. Would've been nice to have him up. Thanks. Graduation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 12:37:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Ortiz is not playing? I'm at the game and kinda confused. Would've been nice to have him up. Thanks. Probably because he's 38.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 12:38:21 GMT -5
Quick, trade Drew now!
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 5, 2014 13:04:16 GMT -5
Layne has MiLB numbers that nearly mirror that did Justin Thomas and a repertoire that's surprisingly close as well. Should Layne manage to stick around a few games for Boston? Odds are his success with the Sox would amount to about as well as did Thomas fare.
Thomas did manage to get claimed off of the waiver wire when Boston grew tired of his ineffectiveness. Probably what would happen with Layne. Seems every few years some "great MiLB veteran hope" comes around that some fall in love with as the second coming that they think has all of a sudden found something new to make them into Sandy Koufax over night.. It ain't happening. 6 years of previous track record should disprove that.
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 5, 2014 13:04:35 GMT -5
This team is baaaaaaaaad.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 5, 2014 13:15:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Ortiz is not playing? I'm at the game and kinda confused. Would've been nice to have him up. Thanks. Graduation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk David attended his daughter's graduation and will be there for the second game.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 5, 2014 13:31:44 GMT -5
Lester is such a disgrace defensively.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 13:40:58 GMT -5
Nava is hitting 1.000 for July. 4-4 with a BB.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 5, 2014 13:56:48 GMT -5
Nava is hitting 1.000 for July. 4-4 with a BB. Pair that with Pedroia not making his 2nd error until July and you have all the makings of the highlight reel for the season, or at least the month?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 5, 2014 14:00:49 GMT -5
They should send Xander down when Middlebrooks is ready. He is completely lost at the plate right now and needs a head check.
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