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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 6, 2014 8:10:10 GMT -5
We should probably move this to improve the 2015 team. But, I want a proven stud in LF. Not a hope he's good type. Not sure you can count on Tomas to be a middle of the order bat. Yes, but where are the proven studs? How many? Almost all teams are looking for one (or two). With bats at an extreme premium, imagine how much talent it would drain acquiring it. Baseball seems to be evolving with pitchers again having the upper hand and slugging less prevalent. It feels like we are progressing to the late 60s environment.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 6, 2014 8:31:22 GMT -5
We should probably move this to improve the 2015 team. But, I want a proven stud in LF. Not a hope he's good type. Not sure you can count on Tomas to be a middle of the order bat. Yes, but where are the proven studs? How many? Almost all teams are looking for one (or two). With bats at an extreme premium, imagine how much talent it would drain acquiring it. Baseball seems to be evolving with pitchers again having the upper hand and slugging less prevalent. It feels like we are progressing to the late 60s environment. Proven probably isn't the greatest choice of words. Someone with a track record you can project. I'd go after Cargo if he finishes the season healthy. He had a nice contract up until next year. Now, they have to pay him. They stink with him. Might as well stink without him. 3yr/53m but the AAV is a lot less. I would think that they'd like JBJ to cover that big outfield, Coyle and a pitching prospect??
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 6, 2014 9:22:19 GMT -5
Team looked at Franklin Gutierrez last off season as an example of how they can look at rehab people. I could see them go that route once again approaching him if all of his various ailments check out over the winter(hernia, ulcers, hamstring(s)) that caused him to miss the 2015 season.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 11:01:24 GMT -5
Not looking forward to the people who want to sign Cody Ross I mean Nelson Cruz this winter. Not really fair since what Ross got in 2014 (9.5m) wouldn't pay for half a season in an AAV multi deal next season towards Cruz and Ross has been hurt/terrible in AZ.. IE.. Headed towards a Sizemore type make good deal with a low base and incentives. I'd be inclined towards Ross back at Fenway since don't see Cherrington forking over big money towards a wrong side of 30 money on a LT deal and Ross put up decent numbers at Fenway and he does have "Petrocelli Power" towards LF/LC, a natural fenway type player who might be had on the cheap and let Gomes go, Ross can play all 3 OF slots. The point I was making was that Ross was never going to live up to the contract he signed, just like Nelson Cruz won't live up to the next one he signs.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 6, 2014 11:09:48 GMT -5
100% agreed. He was given 1 too many seasons, but do think he could have put up similar numbers at Fenway, had he remained and stayed healthy, something neither of which happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 11:26:12 GMT -5
We should probably move this to improve the 2015 team. But, I want a proven stud in LF. Not a hope he's good type. Not sure you can count on Tomas to be a middle of the order bat. Dayan Viciendo is supposedly being dangled, but other than that there's not much available in the way of corner OFs.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 6, 2014 11:37:44 GMT -5
I'd prefer the Sox go after Yasmani Tomas. I'd rather see a young up and coming power hitter than a guy who has already seen his best days and is nothing more than a stop gap. The Red Sox need to be adding to a young core. They can't rely on David Ortiz to be the lone consistent elite power hitter forever. I wonder just how aggressive the sox will go after him. He seems like a plug and play piece for the sox, but with the wrist injury, you just never know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 11:40:44 GMT -5
We should probably move this to improve the 2015 team. But, I want a proven stud in LF. Not a hope he's good type. Not sure you can count on Tomas to be a middle of the order bat. Yes, but where are the proven studs? How many? Almost all teams are looking for one (or two). With bats at an extreme premium, imagine how much talent it would drain acquiring it. Baseball seems to be evolving with pitchers again having the upper hand and slugging less prevalent. It feels like we are progressing to the late 60s environment. Actually, you don't have to go back that far. Take a look at pitching stats from the mid '80s and you'll see similar numbers. For instance, here's 1985:
www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/1985-standard-pitching.shtml
Yes, pitchers used and still do try to use PEDs. But, throughout the '90s and '00s, PEDs disproportionately helped hitters. It's undeniable when you look at the statistics from that era.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 6, 2014 12:48:40 GMT -5
Peavy, not auditioning well today thus far.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 6, 2014 12:50:23 GMT -5
GJGE Peavy. Gotta love that 420, huh?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 12:52:40 GMT -5
Another wasted start on a worthless pitcher.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 6, 2014 13:05:48 GMT -5
Fortunately for Peavy, Farrell recognized that he needs some good OFers behind him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 13:06:32 GMT -5
Another wasted start on a worthless pitcher. He's being "showcased."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 13:14:44 GMT -5
On a brighter note, if we win 51 of our last 75 games (only a .680 clip) we'll win 90 games and make the playoffs.
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Post by danr on Jul 6, 2014 13:34:59 GMT -5
Gasman can bring it.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 6, 2014 13:36:08 GMT -5
Terrible. Just terrible.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 6, 2014 13:39:27 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2014 13:42:24 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. If X is so mentally fragile that he could not handle a move to third, he would never have a good MLB career...
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2014 13:43:04 GMT -5
Anyway I would send him down to AAA for a while
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 13:43:47 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. Yep, they messed him up. There's no argument anymore. They messed him up. Instead of boosting his confidence of a very young player they messed it up.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 6, 2014 13:44:22 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. If Bogaerts is not mentally stable enough for a move to third base, he's not going to be a Major Leaguer in the first place.
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Post by cdj on Jul 6, 2014 13:45:16 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. If Bogaerts is not mentally stable enough for a move to third base, he's not going to be a Major Leaguer in the first place. This is correct.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 6, 2014 13:45:36 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. I like your opinions Temple. They're brutally honest. You don't always agree with the front office. On this, you sound like one of Xander's parents and not a trained eye.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 6, 2014 13:47:19 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. If X is so mentally fragile that he could not handle a move to third, he would never have a good MLB career... It has nothing to do with mental fragility. You took a 21-year old kid completely out of his comfort zone, which he was finally adjusting to. This is what happens. The exact same thing happened to Jose Reyes with the Mets. The only way to salvage this season is to realize Stephen Drew is a sunk cost and understand that the big picture is best served allowing Xander Bogaerts to go back to his natural position. Moving him off SS was as out-of-touch as anything a General Manager could possibly do. A complete panic move and an embarrassing way to treat your most important asset.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 13:49:22 GMT -5
I agree and that was my argument re: Drew since early November. But it should not have had this big of an effect even though it was really stupid.
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