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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 13:49:22 GMT -5
So glad we can't completely destroy the defensive and offensive confidence of our franchise player. 101 in how to mismanage a franchise. If X is so mentally fragile that he could not handle a move to third, he would never have a good MLB career... Ignorant post. He is a young player facing multiple significant challenges. The FO could have avoided making more difficult something that already was and they failed horribly. If you can't make it easier, don't make it harder on the players. You know how weird it is being told "we have confidence in you, the SS position is yours" to perform and then see drew come in and take over his position? That's messed up and it affected him.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 13:51:08 GMT -5
I mean can anyone really make an argument that the original plan to move Xander back and forth between 3rd and SS when WMB got back was a good idea?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 13:51:51 GMT -5
I agree and that was my argument re: Drew since early November. But it should not have had this big of an effect even though it was really stupid. I shouldn't but it did. The question is what do you do?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 6, 2014 13:52:28 GMT -5
If X is so mentally fragile that he could not handle a move to third, he would never have a good MLB career... It has nothing to do with mental fragility. You took a 21-year old kid completely out of his comfort zone, which he was finally adjusting to. This is what happens. The exact same thing happened to Jose Reyes with the Mets. The only way to salvage this season is to realize Stephen Drew is a sunk cost and understand that the big picture is best served allowing Xander Bogaerts to go back to his natural position. Moving him off SS was as out-of-touch as anything a General Manager could possibly do. A complete panic move and an embarrassing way to treat your most important asset. Hopefully Drew rebuilds his trade value a bit next month and we can unload him on another team for whatever salary relief we can get.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 13:53:12 GMT -5
I agree and that was my argument re: Drew since early November. But it should not have had this big of an effect even though it was really stupid. I shouldn't but it did. The question is what do you do? Dump Drew, put him every day at SS and let him figure out how to hit sliders in the majors. And use the rest of the season to figure out if Xander can play SS in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 13:56:07 GMT -5
I shouldn't but it did. The question is what do you do? Dump Drew, put him every day at SS and let him figure out how to hit sliders in the majors. And use the rest of the season to figure out if Xander can play SS in 2015. Agree. This is what they should do to clean up this mess.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2014 14:00:14 GMT -5
Xander has proven to be a leaden-gloved infielder in his short stint in MLB. If this continues Cherrington should stop drooling over "value" and stick him in LF.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 14:04:46 GMT -5
I find it humorous that if you Google "Xander Bogaerts" + confidence, you'll find nobody else in the universe suggesting that he's lost confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 14:05:06 GMT -5
Please spare us from Peavy BC. Who's paying money to see this junk baller?
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Post by godot on Jul 6, 2014 14:07:14 GMT -5
Magical thinking about Xander's problems. He moves to third and a little later starts to suck; therefore, it must be the shift to third, not that he may have some flaws and maybe has been overestimated. He played short in the minors and was shifted to third when he came up and fan boys were going ga ga.. He also did well when he first made the shift this year. Did you ever think that the league found some flaws? This crap about rookie bumps does not really explain other than he hasn't caught up with what the pitchers are doing or maybe can't. The kid is not that well coordinated with his foot work and is often off balanced when hitting, often looking awkward. He does better when swinging at first pitches that are decent.
By the way Drew can play defense and has had a successful career,showing a decent bat. He is still relatively young.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 6, 2014 14:14:07 GMT -5
Magical thinking about Xander's problems. He moves to third and a little later starts to suck; therefore, it must be the shift to third, not that he may have some flaws and maybe has been overestimated. He played short in the minors and was shifted to third when he came up and fan boys were going ga ga.. He also did well when he first made the shift this year. Did you ever think that the league found some flaws? This crap about rookie bumps does not really explain other than he hasn't caught up with what the pitchers are doing or maybe can't. The kid is not that well coordinated with his foot work and is often off balanced when hitting, often looking awkward. He does better when swinging at first pitches that are decent. By the way Drew can play defense and has had a successful career,showing a decent bat. He is still relatively young. The Drew part is pretty much irrelevant unless you're talking about trade value. We aren't going anywhere this year and we aren't re-signing Drew.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2014 14:15:47 GMT -5
Great AB by JBJ, jr.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 6, 2014 14:19:18 GMT -5
Xander has proven to be a leaden-gloved infielder in his short stint in MLB. If this continues Cherrington should stop drooling over "value" and stick him in LF. He hasn't. He had a bad April and then a good May. That's all we've seen of him at SS in the majors.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 6, 2014 14:26:18 GMT -5
He's not been too smooth at 3rd, either. That 2-run error yesterday was as routine as it gets for any infielder and he completely booted it.
I think Xander is going to be an exceptional MLB player, but I also think we coddle him on here. His head and swing are a mess. If he can't get it together by the time Middlebrooks is ready to go they should send him down. It will give him chance to get himself right without the spotlight or whatever pressure he's putting on himself.
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Post by templeusox on Jul 6, 2014 14:36:27 GMT -5
Middlebrooks should not be a factor in this team's immediate or future plans. If he puts up ungodly numbers in Triple-A then he can re-enter the conversation. Until that time, he's on the outside looking in.
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Post by cdj on Jul 6, 2014 14:39:22 GMT -5
It has to be because X switched positions right? Give me a break.
It has nothing to do with his "confidence". He went on a tear right after we signed Drew, he hit well in his first couple games at 3rd, and he had no issues at 3rd last year. He does not have a ton of range at SS, and he is a 21 year old fielder. That can explain his troubles at both positions.
Yeah, that isn't it. He's getting mega doses of major league caliber breakers, it happens. He'll adjust eventually. I have no doubts he will be fine in due time.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 14:44:22 GMT -5
All I can say is that I hope BC learned his lesson and uses the rest of the season to put Xander back at SS (soon) to figure out where he is going to play in 2015. I hope WMB is ready to come back soon as well, because he should get every day at 3rd as one last test to see if he should be our 3B.
Not knowing these two things by November is going to doom 2015 as well. Going into 2015 hoping that Xander can play SS and WMB can play 3rd is not a plan. If they cannot, then put Xander at 3rd next year and for good, figure out if Marrero can step in or just put Holt or Betts there and absolutely trade WMB this winter. Enough of this holding onto guys who are 26-27 hoping they're going to figure it out someday (hello Carp).
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Post by larrycook on Jul 6, 2014 14:50:11 GMT -5
Sadly a 2 run lead seems insurmountable for this putrid offense.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 6, 2014 14:55:37 GMT -5
Badenhop really? Didn't I just see this movie yesterday. Hopefully with more time to warm up the results are different.
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Post by godot on Jul 6, 2014 14:59:54 GMT -5
Peavy would be a decent pick up for some team, a fifth starter. Have no idea as to what they could get, but package him with someone else of decent value and fitting a need for another team like Holt and you may have something.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 6, 2014 15:02:25 GMT -5
Every time I think this putrid offense had hit it's nadir, they prove me wrong and stink a little more.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2014 15:09:09 GMT -5
We're about to catch Tampa for draft pick! Sweet.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 6, 2014 15:17:22 GMT -5
Just hit a little Jackie, that's all you need to do and you are a perennial star in CF in Boston
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 6, 2014 15:19:32 GMT -5
Peavy would be a decent pick up for some team, a fifth starter. Have no idea as to what they could get, but package him with someone else of decent value and fitting a need for another team like Holt and you may have something. Maybe we can get a true ss like Igelsias, or, because we need outfielders, perhaps Arvisail Garcia.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2014 15:21:00 GMT -5
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