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7/11-7/13 Red Sox @ Astros Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on Jul 11, 2014 15:30:19 GMT -5
Holy crap, JBJ 6th and Drew 8th. It's a Festivus miracle. If there is any silver lining in this, Drew has been relatively successful against Feldman. If one is like Farrell and believes in match-ups*, then if anyone might help Drew start looking like a viable player, it's this guy. *I still think there is a metric to be found that shows when these batter on pitcher match-ups - small sample though they may be - are viable. There are some guys who seem to "own" certain pitchers - even if that is simply in that pitcher's head, and pitchers who seem to own certain batters. There's gotta be a way to filter out the noise (injuries, recent decline, etc) and identify at least reasonable probability that indicates which cases the match-ups are viable, even if these are small samples, X amount of at bats vs. Pitcher Y by a professional with X amount of MLB at bats that shows the batter "owns" the pitcher or the pitcher owns the batter - own being that either batter or pitcher are extremely likely to incur results in this match-up that are statistically outside of the norm for either player. Well beyond my skill set but might be fun for someone - and if it works, could be a nice proprietary idea one could proffer to an MLB team. |
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 11, 2014 15:33:46 GMT -5
We gotta get rid of Gomes and/or Drew soon so Mookie can play. Drew. I'm all for moving Gomes, but is he the one costing Mookie time? vs. RHP: Nava Bradley Holt vs. LHP Gomes Betts Holt The issue with Gomes is that it's preventing JBJ from playing full time, and he should be playing everyday for the same reasons Mookie should be. I would love to see Drew dumped, which would not only allow you to play Betts and JBJ nearly-daily, but would --and I know they probably won't do this -- open up the door for Mookie to get some time at shortstop. Also, move Carp ASAP. He helps the team in absolutely no way this season. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2014 15:35:47 GMT -5
We gotta get rid of Gomes and/or Drew soon so Mookie can play. Drew. I'm all for moving Gomes, but is he the one costing Mookie time? vs. RHP: Nava Bradley Holt vs. LHP Gomes Betts Holt The issue with Gomes is that it's preventing JBJ from playing full time, and he should be playing everyday for the same reasons Mookie should be. I would love to see Drew dumped, which would not only allow you to play Betts and JBJ nearly-daily, but would --and I know they probably won't do this -- open up the door for Mookie to get some time at shortstop. Also, move Carp ASAP. He helps the team in absolutely no way this season. Mookie could play LF against LHP if we didn't have Gomes. Agree re: Carp, but everyone knows what I think about that. |
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 11, 2014 15:43:54 GMT -5
Drew. I'm all for moving Gomes, but is he the one costing Mookie time? vs. RHP: Nava Bradley Holt vs. LHP Gomes Betts Holt The issue with Gomes is that it's preventing JBJ from playing full time, and he should be playing everyday for the same reasons Mookie should be. I would love to see Drew dumped, which would not only allow you to play Betts and JBJ nearly-daily, but would --and I know they probably won't do this -- open up the door for Mookie to get some time at shortstop. Also, move Carp ASAP. He helps the team in absolutely no way this season. against LHP if we didn't have Gomes. Agree re: Carp, but everyone knows what I think about that. Well, yeah, but my point is that Gomes isn't the one affecting Betts playing time vs. RHP, which is when he's sat. I'll go out on a limb and say I'll be pretty surprised if one of Gomes/Drew/Carp isn't moved within the next 10 days. Probably Carp. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2014 15:47:23 GMT -5
Mookie could play LF against LHP if we didn't have Gomes. Agree re: Carp, but everyone knows what I think about that. Well, yeah, but my point is that Gomes isn't the one affecting Betts playing time vs. RHP, which is when he's sat. I'll go out on a limb and say I'll be pretty surprised if one of Gomes/Drew/Carp isn't moved within the next 10 days. Probably Carp. I was simply finding a way to get Betts and JBJ more games. When Gomes has been playing, Betts has been in CF. I wasn't clear. Just get rid of the worthless junk and play the kids. I don't even want Victorino back this year. |
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 11, 2014 15:52:27 GMT -5
Well, yeah, but my point is that Gomes isn't the one affecting Betts playing time vs. RHP, which is when he's sat. I'll go out on a limb and say I'll be pretty surprised if one of Gomes/Drew/Carp isn't moved within the next 10 days. Probably Carp. I was simply finding a way to get Betts and JBJ more games. When Gomes has been playing, Betts has been in CF. I wasn't clear. Just get rid of the worthless junk and play the kids. I don't even want Victorino back this year. Right, but I pointed out originally that Gomes was costing JBJ time when he, like Betts, should be in there everyday. We agree. Speaking of Victorino, we absolutely should not hand him the starting RF spot in 2015, for both performance and health considerations. I doubt he'll ever be a good hitter against RHP again -- platoon him with Nava, with JBJ entrenched in CF, and, barring a surprise move to SS, Betts in the other corner. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 11, 2014 15:57:24 GMT -5
I was simply finding a way to get Betts and JBJ more games. When Gomes has been playing, Betts has been in CF. I wasn't clear. Just get rid of the worthless junk and play the kids. I don't even want Victorino back this year. Right, but I pointed out originally that Gomes was costing JBJ time when he, like Betts, should be in there everyday. We agree. Speaking of Victorino, we absolutely should not hand him the starting RF spot in 2015, for both performance and health considerations. I doubt he'll ever be a good hitter against RHP again -- platoon him with Nava, with JBJ entrenched in CF, and, barring a surprise move to SS, Betts in the other corner. Agree. Victorino would be a much better version of Gomes. Plus, the fewer games might make it easier for him to stay healthy. And then, do you move Betts back and forth depending on who is playing because Victorino would still likely be an incredible RF? But can Farrell do all that? |
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Jul 11, 2014 15:59:48 GMT -5
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 11, 2014 16:09:34 GMT -5
Right, but I pointed out originally that Gomes was costing JBJ time when he, like Betts, should be in there everyday. We agree. Speaking of Victorino, we absolutely should not hand him the starting RF spot in 2015, for both performance and health considerations. I doubt he'll ever be a good hitter against RHP again -- platoon him with Nava, with JBJ entrenched in CF, and, barring a surprise move to SS, Betts in the other corner. Agree. Victorino would be a much better version of Gomes. Plus, the fewer games might make it easier for him to stay healthy. And then, do you move Betts back and forth depending on who is playing because Victorino would still likely be an incredible RF? But can Farrell do all that? Other managers flip everyday outfielders around all the time, depending on what alignment maximizes your defense on a given day. One would think the right play would be Nava/JBJ/Betts vs. RHP, and Betts/JBJ/Victorino vs. LHP. But as you mention, Farrell may be repulsed by such a concept. That being said, Mookie in RF permanently with Shane in LF to save his legs a bit wouldn't be the end of the world. |
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Post by okin15 on Jul 11, 2014 16:19:26 GMT -5
Mookie in RF permanently with Shane in LF to save his legs a bit wouldn't be the end of the world. And back. Why do all our RF hurt their backs? Or was it just Drew (the elder) and Shane? Didn't Nixon have that issue too? Unrelated: Am I right that another team signing Capuano and Sizemore could potentially save the Sox some (small-time) cash? Do the pro-rated minimum (or whatever they're signed at) salaries get subtracted from what the Sox owed them? Do we know yet if the Sox are on the hook for Grady's elevator clauses even while he plays for another team? I'd think it might at least balance out, especially if Sizemore is in a platoon or back-up role. |
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Post by jmei on Jul 11, 2014 16:31:04 GMT -5
Well, yeah, but my point is that Gomes isn't the one affecting Betts playing time vs. RHP, which is when he's sat. I'll go out on a limb and say I'll be pretty surprised if one of Gomes/Drew/Carp isn't moved within the next 10 days. Probably Carp. I was simply finding a way to get Betts and JBJ more games. When Gomes has been playing, Betts has been in CF. I wasn't clear. Just get rid of the worthless junk and play the kids. I don't even want Victorino back this year. , but I just don't see full-time playing time for Betts even if Gomes/Drew/Carp are traded. Is he worth keeping in the big leagues if he only plays LF versus lefties and gets the occasional fill-in start in CF or RF? |
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Post by larrycook on Jul 11, 2014 16:57:20 GMT -5
I just want to say that I accept our team losing as long as they are playing hard and giving it all they have.
It's when the sox are losing and playing listless lifeless and passionless that I can not accept,
For whatever reason the veteran hitters were not engaged for the first 80 plus games of the season. I refuse to believe it was "aj's fault".
The only thing I can think of is with the youngsters struggling to find their way, the constant lack if success could be a downer for the veterans and cause them to play lifeless baseball because they can't see us winning when it is five hitters against nine every game.
Hitting is contagious and when the youngsters start hitting, I predict the veterans will come to life in a big way as well.
I don't know if they have reached that point yet, but I feel they are getting closer every series.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 11, 2014 16:58:15 GMT -5
I want the kids to play now , but you have to play the guys you're trying to move. Carp has only 3 ph ab's since his return. Teams interested in him, Drew, Gomes, ect. will want to see them playing.
Betts may well be better off playing every day in AAA.
JBJ is starting to hit and should play every day in the bigs.
Xander is probably better off staying up and figuring it out up here.
Holt has earned a spot in the order wherever he plays.
Only so many ab's to go around.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 11, 2014 16:58:52 GMT -5
And to follow up on my previous post, I want to say the pitchers have been doing unbelievable work this season, all things considered.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 11, 2014 17:00:24 GMT -5
I think the could Zobrist him between LF, RF, CF 3rd and een 2nd on that one day Pedroia needs a rest.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 11, 2014 17:00:27 GMT -5
Holt has earned a spot in the order wherever he plays. . Has holt hit the rookie wall? |
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 11, 2014 19:13:05 GMT -5
Sox fans making a lot of noise, wonder whether the home team will get any cheers.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 11, 2014 19:19:49 GMT -5
What the hell!? Has Farrell gone back to bunting AND making more outs on the bases? I thought we learned these lessons in April?
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 11, 2014 19:19:50 GMT -5
Holt beaten by the throw but the tag was not a good one; 'Stros commentators feel it might have been worth a challenge.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 11, 2014 19:30:29 GMT -5
Holt has earned a spot in the order wherever he plays. . Has holt hit the rookie wall? No, I don't think so. He looks fine. Didn't get a good jump on the steal attempt, but love his feel for the game. He went right back to 2b on the foul down the line before that, ready to move to third if it was caught. |
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 11, 2014 19:30:42 GMT -5
What the hell!? Has Farrell gone back to bunting AND making more outs on the bases? I thought we learned these lessons in April? There is no way JF had him stealing with Ortiz at the plate. Holt thought he could sneak one in. Not a smart play. |
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Post by Guidas on Jul 11, 2014 19:35:42 GMT -5
I hope that was on Holt. Just stupid though.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 11, 2014 19:39:18 GMT -5
Jackie changed his batting stance right?
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Post by theaveragefan88 on Jul 11, 2014 19:48:25 GMT -5
Xander is in a bad way. I hate to say it, but it might be good for him to spend the rest of the month in AAA just to boost his confidence.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 11, 2014 19:53:39 GMT -5
Drew looks absolutely lost at the plate. Completely whiffs on a hanger from a RHP. Just awful.
Edit: Congrats to Christian on his first MLB hit! Hopefully the first of many.
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