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Post by taftreign on May 21, 2015 11:08:19 GMT -5
Can someone more knowledgeable explain the appeal of Daz Cameron? From what I've read, he has no standout tool, more above average everywhere, which makes him more low upside, but yet he's still a risky high school kid. Seems like several teams are interested in him in the top 10 but passing on Fulmer for him seems a bit odd to me. Welcome to the draft of 2015. Not a great year to have a top ten pick. Even Kiley McDaniel has said he'd only give two players a FV of 55. No 60's. This year it's trying to draft a solid major leaguer not a superstar or a perennial All-Star. I agree though with others that I'd take Fulmer over Cameron in this scenario. An advanced pitcher with #2 starter upside and 8th or 9th inning dominant reliever floor is a more valuable commodity for a team trying to compete now. I think he could help a pen this year depending on innings totals / pitches thrown but otherwise could be helping a rotation by the summer of 2017 if a team is willing to be aggressive.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 21, 2015 11:10:12 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Callis says they would prefer Fulmer first over Bregman, then mocks Bregman at #7 and Fulmer at #8. I mean, it's almost like he isn't even trying...
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Post by taftreign on May 21, 2015 11:13:18 GMT -5
No Callis has Fulmer to Houston at 5 noting the Astros are "hot after Fulmer".
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Post by mjammz on May 21, 2015 11:18:50 GMT -5
I have no problem with Benintendi. He's got an insane skillset. His swing is a thing of beauty. Terrific bat speed and a ton of power packed into his frame.
Up to 18 HR on the year (3rd in NCAA), 9th in BA (.403), 5th in OBP (.502), 1st in Slugging (.760). Only a Sophomore.
It seems like either the Red Sox or Cubs will take him.
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Post by ramireja on May 21, 2015 11:23:43 GMT -5
No Callis has Fulmer to Houston at 5 noting the Astros are "hot after Fulmer". Note. Law seems convinced the Astros want 2 bats at #2 and #5. That seems odd to me though. If its true the Sox have a 1) Fulmer, 2) Bregman, 3) Benintendi board.....I'd be very ok with that.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 21, 2015 11:34:17 GMT -5
If the Twins choose between Tate and Bregman, that's interesting. Never thought Tate would make it that far. Maybe the Twins choose Bregman.
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Post by taftreign on May 21, 2015 11:44:18 GMT -5
No Callis has Fulmer to Houston at 5 noting the Astros are "hot after Fulmer". Note. Law seems convinced the Astros want 2 bats at #2 and #5. That seems odd to me though. If its true the Sox have a 1) Fulmer, 2) Bregman, 3) Benintendi board.....I'd be very ok with that. Agreed going on the assumption there is close to zero chance Boston sees Rodgers or Tate available.
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Post by Guidas on May 21, 2015 12:50:59 GMT -5
I remain bullish on Bueller, but if these grades by Law on Jay are accurate, I could be changing my mind. Has him with a present 65 FB and a 60 curve with present 55 command and control. I believe those are better present grades than he gave any of our pitching prospects in the top 100 prospect list we discussed here earlier this year. As Law says, "a lefty with a plus fastball, plus breaking ball and plus command" - I know he's been wasted in a relief role, but heck, why not go for it, esp in a weak draft. Best case you're looking at a #2 starter who pitches like a #1 on some days. And if he ends up not making it as a starter you have a late-inning reliever with two plus pitches. And being a college guy, you may even get someone who merits pen time come Sept and beyond if the Sox make the playoffs.
Three weeks to go. When do our picks have to be in by?
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Post by Guidas on May 21, 2015 13:19:29 GMT -5
From KLaw chat:
Fonz (Milwaukee) Can Tyler Jay hack it as a starter? Klaw (1:11 PM) I believe so as do the vast majority of scouts I've asked about it. Of course, it would be nice if the Illini had let us see that this spring.
OK, I'm officially switching from Bueller to Jay but I would be happy with either.
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Post by amfox1 on May 21, 2015 13:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on May 21, 2015 13:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by prometheus on May 21, 2015 13:52:30 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on May 21, 2015 14:51:01 GMT -5
Jay also doesn't have the mileage on his arm with only about 110 college innings total with only 49 this year.
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Post by nomar on May 21, 2015 14:56:15 GMT -5
I wonder if Tate could fall to us now.
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Post by mjammz on May 21, 2015 17:06:24 GMT -5
Fulmer not looking sharp at all today. Can't locate his fastball, A&M laying off the off-speed, and making good contact. This start won't solidify his status.... As I type this he gives up a long home run. 4 ER through 2.
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Post by mjammz on May 21, 2015 17:07:59 GMT -5
...and another. Back to back HR given up by Fulmer. This is the kind of start the Red Sox needed.
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Post by Jim Crowell on May 21, 2015 17:10:19 GMT -5
Reading through the last few pages, I think I may be the only person on the forum who prefers Daz to Fulmer. I see Fulmer as a reliever, and Cameron as at least an average MLB center fielder down the road. There are 7 players I like more than Cameron, but I'd rather take a shot on him than take a future reliever.
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Post by mjammz on May 21, 2015 17:17:52 GMT -5
Reading through the last few pages, I think I may be the only person on the forum who prefers Daz to Fulmer. I see Fulmer as a reliever, and Cameron as at least an average MLB center fielder down the road. There are 7 players I like more than Cameron, but I'd rather take a shot on him than take a future reliever. I'm a big Fulmer guy because I think he definitely has major league stuff, whether starter or reliever, it's the type of stuff the system doesn't have. However, today is a good window into some of the struggles he'll face once drafted. More advanced hitters will make him locate his FB which he needs to improve greatly.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 21, 2015 17:19:53 GMT -5
...and another. Back to back HR given up by Fulmer. This is the kind of start the Red Sox needed. Yeah, if we want him. Maybe, scare someone off.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 21, 2015 17:47:39 GMT -5
LSU and Arkansas on tonight too. Bregman vs Benintendi. Getcha popcorn ready.
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Post by mjammz on May 21, 2015 17:51:31 GMT -5
...and another. Back to back HR given up by Fulmer. This is the kind of start the Red Sox needed. Yeah, if we want him. Maybe, scare someone off. At least slow down some of his momentum. Teams won't draft/not draft someone based on one game, but it will slow down some of his momentum and just add another layer of uncertainity to the top 7.
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Post by bentossaurus on May 21, 2015 19:15:24 GMT -5
You are forgiven my child. Doh!
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Post by jdb on May 21, 2015 19:41:06 GMT -5
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Post by joshv02 on May 21, 2015 20:23:18 GMT -5
If the players they like aren't there, and they like other players, and they aren't afraid of the other players medicals, they may pick the other player.
Good analysis espn. Strong
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Post by telson13 on May 21, 2015 21:16:47 GMT -5
I believe Aikens UCL is smaller than normal and it would have more risk going forward. Doesn't matter, UCL surgery is replacement with the (much thicker) palmaris longus tendon, not repair of the original ligament. Unless, of course, Aiken is one of the 15% of the population lacking a palmaris longus. In that case, they sometimes use a segment of the Achilles or a cadaveeric transplant. That might be the issue...
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