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2015 Draft Discussion
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2015 22:27:33 GMT -5
I believe Aikens UCL is smaller than normal and it would have more risk going forward. Doesn't matter, UCL surgery is replacement with the (much thicker) palmaris longus tendon, not repair of the original ligament. Unless, of course, Aiken is one of the 15% of the population lacking a palmaris longus. In that case, they sometimes use a segment of the Achilles or a cadaveeric transplant. That might be the issue... He has an elbow abnormality that reportedly provides a smaller spot for the new ligament to attach/anchor to. That seems like a legit risk, though I have no idea if those reports are true.
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Post by raftsox on May 22, 2015 5:04:08 GMT -5
Chris Crawford, who joined BP recently, has a mock up there. www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26311Hard to take seriously given its use of the word "verse" instead of "versus" like he's in second grade or something, but whatever. Also, no thanks on Daz Cameron. Their's no reason to loose patients with him Chris. He is knew they're.
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Post by stevedillard on May 22, 2015 8:34:25 GMT -5
I thought Chris was going with proper bluebook form, of "v."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 22, 2015 8:45:54 GMT -5
I thought Chris was going with proper bluebook form, of "v." I didn't want to like this post. I really didn't.
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Post by Guidas on May 22, 2015 9:15:35 GMT -5
Nothing like a few lawyer jokes to break up the room.
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Post by azblue on May 22, 2015 9:57:50 GMT -5
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Post by alnipper on May 22, 2015 11:42:56 GMT -5
While this draft doesn't have much elite talent it does have some potential well through the 3rd round. With that in mind does anybody have a favorite in the 3rd round? I like Andrew Suarez and Mac Marshall. Both are lefties with better stuff than Brian Johnson, but obviously not the control.
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 22, 2015 11:43:48 GMT -5
Chris Crawford, who joined BP recently, has a mock up there. www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26311Hard to take seriously given its use of the word "verse" instead of "versus" like he's in second grade or something, but whatever. Also, no thanks on Daz Cameron. Their's no reason to loose patients with him Chris. He is knew they're. I mean...if you're going to criticize English format...maybe you should use it correctly yourself.... Knew? As in New? And they're...as in there? Hmm
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 22, 2015 11:49:30 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't agree that either of these are evidence of the scouting consensus on the overall talent level of a draft class being incorrect. They aren't examples of what the statement is in reference to. Dubon isn't projected to be an impact MLB talent - he's just not the kind of player you're talking about when you project the overall talent level of a draft pool. Great pick that late, for sure, but he's barely a top 20 prospect in this system. And Trout is a once-in-a-generation player and, I'd argue, a poor example to use to prove nearly anything, but there are examples of lesser but still prominent breakouts - take Mookie Betts, for example. That still doesn't mean that the consensus regarding the complexion of an entire draft is completely off if one of those types of players pops up. The point people are making when they say the draft talent pool this year is down is that it doesn't project to have much impact MLB talent. That's unfortunate when you're picking 7th. Sure, maybe they take a guy like Bregman or Daz Cameron who exceeds current projections. Those players could also underperform those projections. Same for any player in the draft or, frankly, in the minors. Again, it's all prospecting, not sure-thing-ing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 22, 2015 11:51:20 GMT -5
Their's no reason to loose patients with him Chris. He is knew they're. I mean...if you're going to criticize English format...maybe you should use it correctly yourself.... Knew? As in New? And they're...as in there? Hmm forum.soxprospects.com/post/142335
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 22, 2015 11:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 22, 2015 12:02:28 GMT -5
Their's no reason to loose patients with him Chris. He is knew they're. I mean...if you're going to criticize English format...maybe you should use it correctly yourself.... Knew? As in New? And they're...as in there? Hmm I'm pretty sure that was by design by raftsox. Wait....maybe your comment was sarcastic two....I'm confused. On more relevant matters, I'm praying to the baseball gods one of Tate or Bregman falls to us. This feels like 2013 all over again when many (including myself) really wanted Frazier, or Stewart to fall to us. I'm starting to get real high on Tyler Jay. Some scouts think he could have gone higher had he started the season out of the bullpen. He's a Lefty, he's got potential for 2 maybe 3 plus pitches and if he could be had for under slot I'd bite if plan A and plan B are off the board.
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Post by mainesox on May 22, 2015 13:48:54 GMT -5
While this draft doesn't have much elite talent it does have some potential well through the 3rd round. With that in mind does anybody have a favorite in the 3rd round? I like Andrew Suarez and Mac Marshall. Both are lefties with better stuff than Brian Johnson, but obviously not the control. Not certain to be there in the 3rd, but I'd love to get Alonzo Jones in the 3rd.
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Post by kman22 on May 22, 2015 13:55:25 GMT -5
Their's no reason to loose patients with him Chris. He is knew they're. I mean...if you're going to criticize English format...maybe you should use it correctly yourself.... Knew? As in New? And they're...as in there? Hmm If we're going to call out the joke, let's go 100%. Their's instead of there's, loose instead of lose, patients instead of patience. It was real solid.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 22, 2015 15:16:15 GMT -5
While this draft doesn't have much elite talent it does have some potential well through the 3rd round. With that in mind does anybody have a favorite in the 3rd round? I like Andrew Suarez and Mac Marshall. Both are lefties with better stuff than Brian Johnson, but obviously not the control. Not certain to be there in the 3rd, but I'd love to get Alonzo Jones in the 3rd. Josh Staumont, Gio Brusa, Rhett Wiseman, David Thompson, Kyle Cody and Wesley Rodriguez are a couple of other names that should go around that spot that I like. I also think if the Sox plan on saving money with their first pick they could take a run at Kep Brown, who tore his Achilles but was considered a mid-first rounder beforehand.
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Post by jimed14 on May 22, 2015 15:20:49 GMT -5
Kep Brown is awesome in OOTP16. hehe
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Post by kman22 on May 22, 2015 15:48:49 GMT -5
Kep Brown is awesome in OOTP16. hehe Spoiler Alert: He never pans out.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 22, 2015 17:44:51 GMT -5
In case you weren't tired of mock drafts here is another one.
Arizona - Dansby Swanson, SS, Vanderbilt
I think that he is their guy and all the other rumors is just posturing.
Houston - Alex Bregman, SS, LSU
It seems that the media does a good job identifying who they are not really on to, last year Rodon, Buxton a few years ago. This year its Rogers and it makes sense since he is one a little "old" for a HS guy and they believe in that sort of stuff (I do too).
Colorado - Brendan Rogers, SS, Florida HS
I do believe they would be a team interested in Tyler Jay and probably would have him as the best pitching prospect, because he has more sink to his ball. However I think they would like Rogers just a little more.
Texas - Dillon Tate, RHP, UC Santa Barbara
It seems like Tate is losing some esteem, music to my ears cause I would love it if he is available at 7th (off course the Red Sox would pass anyways). I think the Rangers will take any of the top 3 if they are available (Swanson, Rogers, Tate), if not then they go for one of the HS hitters.
Houston - Carson Fulmer, RHP, Vanderbilt
They took Lance McCullers Jr who everyone thought/thinks is/was a reliever. I don't think they are afraid of that stuff.
Minnesota - Daz Cameron, CF, Georgia HS
I still think Allard is a possibility here depending if he can show anything before the draft otherwise I think they could be a pain in the you know to the Red Sox as they could prevent Tate, Bregman as they did Kohl Stewart a in 2013.
Boston - Andrew Benintendi, CF, Arkansas
The Red Sox probably would not like many of the picks ahead of them if it unfolded this way. Even though he hasn't been connected to the Red Sox I could see Tyler Jay, much like Ball wasn't connected to them prior to the draft.
Chicago (AL) - Tyler Jay, LHP, Illinois
They do a good job with pitchers so this is a good fit. This seems like the floor for Jay right now.
Chicago (NL) - Kyle Tucker, OF, Florida HS
Theo & his crew's philosophy has been take high upside hitters early then hit the pitching hard with later pick. I don't think they deviate from that this year (they will).
Philadelphia - Garrett Whitley, OF, New York HS
I think they'll go for a high upside guy to give some (false) hope to the fans.
Cincinnati - Tyler Stephenson, C, Georgia HS
Miami - Mike Nikorak, RHP, Pennsylvania HS
Tampa - Trenton Clark, OF, Texas HS
Atlanta - Cornelius Randolph, 3B, Georgia HS
Milwaukee - Jon Harris, RHP, Missouri St
New York (Hell) - James Kaprelian, RHP, UCLA
Cleveland - Donny Everett, RHP, Tennessee HS
San Francisco - Kyle Funkhouser, RHP, Louisville
Pittsburgh - Kevin Newman, SS, Arizona
Oakland - Ian Happ, OF, Cincinnati
Kansas City - Phil Bickford, RHP, Junior College
Detroit - Walker Buehler, RHP, Vanderbilt
St Louis - Nick Plummer, OF, Michigan HS
Los Angeles (NL) - Kolby Allard, LHP, California HS
Baltimore - Mike Matuella, RHP, Duke
Los Angeles (AL) - Chris Betts, C, California HS
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Post by templeusox on May 22, 2015 23:11:28 GMT -5
Oh dear. I suppose the D'Backs wouldn't technically be throwing away their picks if they select Jay, but it's the closest thing possible.
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Post by taftreign on May 22, 2015 23:28:45 GMT -5
While this draft doesn't have much elite talent it does have some potential well through the 3rd round. With that in mind does anybody have a favorite in the 3rd round? I like Andrew Suarez and Mac Marshall. Both are lefties with better stuff than Brian Johnson, but obviously not the control. Bat: Bryce Denton. 6-1 200. Quiet approach making hard contact. Above avg bat speed with raw power. RHH projecting to 3B or a corner OF spot. He is a Vandy commit though so probably would need to shift a few extra dineros his way. Bat: Nick Shumpert. 6-0 180. SS. Son of Terry and Cousin of Mookie. Kentucky commit. Hit .600 with 5 HRs and 33 SBs his Senior year. (Maybe the most likely of these three and a personal favorite for obvious reasons) Arm: Jacob Taylor. 6-3 215. Sits 93-94 and touches 97. A bit raw with his slider and change up. Not a full time starter until recently. LSU commit with upside.
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Post by prometheus on May 23, 2015 13:16:42 GMT -5
Kiley reporting that Theo was watching UCLA's Kaprielan and that multiple top 10 teams are looking at him. He's been ranked in the 20-40 range by most up to this point. (Tried to link to Kiley's tweet but not coming through)
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Post by amfox1 on May 24, 2015 9:55:48 GMT -5
Peter Gammons ?@pgammo 50m50 minutes ago Many scouting directors think Damsby Swanson has been so great in the SEC tourney that Arizona may draft him @1
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Post by amfox1 on May 24, 2015 10:13:46 GMT -5
Current thoughts on the top 11:
1. ARI - Swanson (has separated himself from Tate/Rodgers/Jay recently) 2. HOU - Rodgers (Fulmer is a possibility here but likely will take Rodgers and scoop up Fulmer at #5) 3. COL - Jay (will take Swanson/Rodgers if they fall, Tate is possible but Jay may have passed Tate) 4. TEX - Tate (will take Swanson/Rodgers if they fall, Tucker/Bregman is possible) 5. HOU - Fulmer (if they go Fulmer at #2, could take Cameron/Tucker/Bregman) 6. MIN - Bregman (likely the floor for Tate, could take Cameron) 7. BOS - Cameron (will take Fulmer/Bregman if they fall) 8. CWS - Harris (looking for college pitching, will take Fulmer/Jay if they fall) 9. CHC - Buehler (looking for college pitching, will take Fulmer/Jay if they fall) 10. PHI - Funkhouser (looking for college pitching, was higher previously but late season issues may drop him to #10) 11. CIN - Benintendi (local kid, stock may have peaked as questions arise)
edit: CWS pick should be Harris, not Jay.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 24, 2015 10:41:55 GMT -5
I think you made a mistake on the White Sox pick.
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Post by mainesox on May 24, 2015 15:25:00 GMT -5
I would be really disappointed if we took Cameron.
Edit: I've actually come around a bit on Bregman - still not my first choice, but I'd be okay with it - but Cameron would be a serious disappointment.
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