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Post by dewey1972 on Sept 16, 2014 22:03:13 GMT -5
I agree with your final assessment: "you have numbers and a lot of possibilities, but you have so few certainties." But some of your specifics I don't understand.
"You have a free agent left fielder who is likely to be traded or lost via free agency in Cespedes." I guess you're talking about long term, but for next year he obviously won't be lost to free agency. The crowd in the outfield is a short term issue, not a long term one.
"Victorino who has been injured most of the past few years..." No one's going to argue with the fact that Victorino's been essentially useless this year. But last year he played 122 games (and was worth over 5 wins). In 2012 he played 154 games. In 2011 he played 132.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 16, 2014 23:42:45 GMT -5
I wonder how the bidding is going on the other two who had a workout recently.
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Post by godot on Sept 17, 2014 6:38:23 GMT -5
From the videos, he looks like Bartlo Colon's lost brother and has his same trainer and diet.
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Post by tonyc on Sept 17, 2014 11:36:19 GMT -5
Hilarious Godot,
Reminds me of an evaluators description of early Fernando Valenzuela- "this guy trains on tacos and looks between thirty and sixty but has great movement."
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2014 12:50:19 GMT -5
I agree with your final assessment: "you have numbers and a lot of possibilities, but you have so few certainties." But some of your specifics I don't understand. "You have a free agent left fielder who is likely to be traded or lost via free agency in Cespedes." I guess you're talking about long term, but for next year he obviously won't be lost to free agency. The crowd in the outfield is a short term issue, not a long term one. "Victorino who has been injured most of the past few years..." No one's going to argue with the fact that Victorino's been essentially useless this year. But last year he played 122 games (and was worth over 5 wins). In 2012 he played 154 games. In 2011 he played 132. What I was trying to say (and not doing a good job of it) was that Cespedes is likely in Boston for 2015 only. If the Sox tank he's a candidate to be dealt in July especially since the Sox wouldn't get a compensation pick if he left as a free agent. My gut feeling is that Cespedes most likely will stay in Boston for all of 2015 as I do believe the Sox will be competitive especially as the season wears on, but I think he's gone after 2015 and will sign his big $ deal elsewhere (which I'm alright with). That would open up a spot in LF for 2016 in which Tomas could be plugged into. He could supply the same power as Cespedes, but he'd be a player on the way up while Cespedes would start his decline phase. Victorino was hurt most of 2013 with the Sox. Yes, he played, but I have no idea how. That guy was hurting every single game it seemed. It's not surprising he didn't play much in 2014 and it won't be particularly surprising if he isn't that healthy much of 2015. He plays very hard and because of that he is injury prone, especially as he ages (which is something that I also worry about with Pedroia). And he, too, won't be back in 2016. It's not inconceivable, if the Sox are willing to bid big-time (and it can be debated whether throwing $100 million at Tomas is a good idea or not) that the Sox could have an OF of Tomas/Castillo/Betts from 2016 on.
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Post by jmei on Sept 17, 2014 12:57:07 GMT -5
If you're paying Tomas a crapload of money (which everyone agrees is what it's going to take), it seems like a bad idea to plan on holding him in the minors for one of the limited number of years that you paid dearly for. If the Red Sox win the bidding for him, you almost certainly have to pencil him into the 2015 opening day starting lineup.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2014 13:01:43 GMT -5
If you're paying Tomas a crapload of money (which everyone agrees is what it's going to take), it seems like a bad idea to plan on holding him in the minors for one of the limited number of years that you paid dearly for. If the Red Sox win the bidding for him, you almost certainly have to pencil him into the 2015 opening day starting lineup. Understood, but it's possible he's not ready for the majors. He's not a mature player like Abreu and Castillo. It isn't inconceivable that the Sox sign Tomas, play him LF for 2015 and deal Cespedes for someone like Matt Latos.
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Post by jmei on Sept 17, 2014 13:52:49 GMT -5
It's one thing if you sign Tomas but realize he's not ready for the majors and have to give him a month or two in the minors to catch up. But, considering his expected contract, I can't imagine a team signing him while planning to start him in the minors (and keep him there much/all of the year), which is what you proposed earlier. If you think he needs minor league seasoning, you're almost certainly not going to be the highest bidder.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 17, 2014 16:15:31 GMT -5
It's one thing if you sign Tomas but realize he's not ready for the majors and have to give him a month or two in the minors to catch up. But, considering his expected contract, I can't imagine a team signing him while planning to start him in the minors (and keep him there much/all of the year), which is what you proposed earlier. If you think he needs minor league seasoning, you're almost certainly not going to be the highest bidder. You might be if you think his ceiling is extremely high, but it is unlikely.
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Post by godot on Sept 19, 2014 10:36:07 GMT -5
Seems the Sox may be serious about Tomas, according to Bradford. They talk highly about his power potential. One video I saw does not show him so heavy but still a big man who needs to watch his weight. Did not realize he was in his early 20s.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 19, 2014 10:55:27 GMT -5
More recent video of Tomas taking BP here. He'll hold a workout this weekend.
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Post by godot on Sept 19, 2014 11:21:15 GMT -5
Thanks, he is a strong kid and looks in good shape. But no doubt, he will need to watch his weight ( lower body bulk). Looks fine right now though.
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Post by mjammz on Sept 19, 2014 11:31:08 GMT -5
Mike Napoli has one more year on his contract and there is no DH option on the horizon for Ortiz's inevitible exit. There is absolutely no reason why the Red Sox shouldn't be seriously looking at Tomas. You have to figure Craig will probably be recovering from Lisfranc surgery in the off-season and spring so the 1B-DH situation isn't jammed up long term.
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Post by soxfanatic on Sept 19, 2014 12:56:55 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez ?@jessesanchezmlb 23 sec. The Tomas people tell me it's spelled Yasmany,
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 19, 2014 13:42:21 GMT -5
And if becomes a Red Sox, he'll have to change it to Yazmanny
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 19, 2014 16:11:29 GMT -5
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Sept 19, 2014 16:22:51 GMT -5
He looks in a lot better shape then he did last year but it seems all these Cuban's when they defect to DR they are for whatever reasons... but if he has Abreu Power and has got into shape, maybe his bat speed is better then it was a year ago. who knows but, I would be seriously in on him as he is still 23 with room to develop and has the most coveted tool, power and plenty of it.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 19, 2014 17:09:26 GMT -5
They get into great shape cause, you know, that will enhanced their earning potential.
Right now it seems the Red Sox are at an exploratory stage, which isn't shocking given that they do that with everyone. We'll have a better feel once info about the workout and follow-up private workouts starts to trickle in.
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Post by bryce on Sept 24, 2014 2:35:58 GMT -5
There is no any news about we have a private workout with Yasmani Tomas after his showcase in Dominican Repulic. Does this mean we give up pursuing him?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:53:20 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo reported that Yasmani Tomas could command 100 million in free agency, and the Red Sox are interested, my question is- smart move, or huge mistake? He never hit nearly as well as Cespedes, Abreu, Puig, or even Castillo in serie nacional, and won't be athletic enough to stay in center field in the big leagues. However, he has huge raw power (70 on the 20-80 scale), is a decent athlete and outfielder who is only 23 years old. Thoughts? Sox don't need him. Nearly everyone will be checking him out. I feel Philly will toss the most agressive $$ at him out of all the chasers. They land him [6yrs./90M]maybe[7yrs./100M].Raw Power sells!,especially if it's Cuban talent these days. They need rebuilding ASAP. The wise bet after that is for the Sox Front Office to aggressively pursue Hamels (only after the above occurs). Obviously a Perfect Lefty addition for us;any of our lefties just aren't reliable enough at this point. Then with Phillies having Y.Tomas in hand,maybe just maybe,they wouldn't be as demanding with they would want in return for Hamels. Now without no M.Betts or X.Bogaerts in the deal demands........
-DEAL-[Swihart,Merrero,Webster,Ranaudo]...maybe Owens-or-JBJ (not both) if that would be the icing on the cake for them. Although,keeping both would be essential.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 13:10:21 GMT -5
Nick Cafardo reported that Yasmani Tomas could command 100 million in free agency, and the Red Sox are interested, my question is- smart move, or huge mistake? He never hit nearly as well as Cespedes, Abreu, Puig, or even Castillo in serie nacional, and won't be athletic enough to stay in center field in the big leagues. However, he has huge raw power (70 on the 20-80 scale), is a decent athlete and outfielder who is only 23 years old. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 13:14:51 GMT -5
Sox don't need him. Nearly everyone will be checking him out. I feel Philly will toss the most agressive $$ at him out of all the chasers. They land him [6yrs./90M]maybe[7yrs./100M].Raw Power sells!,especially if it's Cuban talent these days. They need rebuilding ASAP. The wise bet after that is for the Sox Front Office to aggressively pursue Hamels (only after the above occurs). Obviously a Perfect Lefty addition for us;any of our lefties just aren't reliable enough at this point. Then with Phillies having Y.Tomas in hand,maybe just maybe,they wouldn't be as demanding with they would want in return for Hamels. Now without no M.Betts or X.Bogaerts in the deal demands........
-DEAL-[Swihart,Merrero,Webster,Ranaudo]...maybe Owens-or-JBJ (not both) if that would be the icing on the cake for them. Straight-up offer with no $$$ relief accepted with Hamels contract.
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Post by jmei on Sept 25, 2014 14:51:11 GMT -5
Trade proposals should go into the trade proposal subforum. There is a thread on Hamels there already.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 2, 2014 2:58:45 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 2, 2014 12:38:24 GMT -5
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