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Post by jmei on Oct 14, 2014 14:02:22 GMT -5
The third base coach can't fix everything. Judging potentially-caught line drives, etc.-- these are all risks you take by putting in a player with little experience. Maybe Morse is a bad enough baserunner that you still do it, but I'm just suggesting that it's not a totally clear-cut decision and that there are risks involved.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 14, 2014 14:07:33 GMT -5
The third base coach can't fix everything. Judging potentially-caught line drives, etc.-- these are all risks you take by putting in a player with little experience. Maybe Morse is a bad enough baserunner that you still do it, but I'm just suggesting that it's not a totally clear-cut decision and that there are risks involved. Sure, it wouldn't be a guaranteed success. But it was a critical run -- one that, with Morse, you have a 0% chance of scoring, where as it's way above 50% with most other MLB players.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 14, 2014 18:20:32 GMT -5
Giants win it on a walk-off error.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 14, 2014 19:07:57 GMT -5
...and that is baseball. Didn't look good when choate got two on and no out. Looked worse when he threw that bunt away.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 14, 2014 23:12:07 GMT -5
The Cardinals even lose "the right way" - being funny and sort of mediocre at that.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2014 18:09:07 GMT -5
Go be a "great manager" at a golf course Buck. Again.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 15, 2014 18:14:24 GMT -5
Congrats to K.C. Fun to watch. Yost is the first manager to go 8 and 0 to start his playoff career LOL.
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Post by p23w on Oct 15, 2014 18:26:17 GMT -5
Go be a "great manager" at a golf course Buck. Again. Yeah, buddy. Bye-bye Buck.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2014 21:54:45 GMT -5
Dear God, Matt Adams just made possibly the 2 worst throws this side of Raul Ibanez I have ever seen in my life. Both were pretty good decisions but executed downright awfully, which makes it funnier.
He should be DH as soon as next year.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 15, 2014 21:57:46 GMT -5
The throw to second wasn't a good decision. He didn't look back the runner, then continued with his throw despite clearly coming down with a bad grip and despite the fact that there was no force play, meaning Blanco could've just gotten himself into a rundown to try to plate Crawford if there had been a good throw.
EDIT: This also seems like a good time to point out that television broadcasts still use fielding percentage to tell us how good a team's defense is.
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Post by danr on Oct 15, 2014 22:17:45 GMT -5
If the Giants win the NL championship it will be only the second time when both teams in the WS were Wild Card teams. The other time was 2002 when the two teams were the Giants and the Angels.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2014 23:08:20 GMT -5
The throw to second wasn't a good decision. He didn't look back the runner, then continued with his throw despite clearly coming down with a bad grip and despite the fact that there was no force play, meaning Blanco could've just gotten himself into a rundown to try to plate Crawford if there had been a good throw. Looking back into it, you're right. It wasn't a good decision. The execution though was so unbelievably hideous that my brain sort of blocked that.
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Post by GyIantosca on Oct 16, 2014 16:09:48 GMT -5
So happy for the Royals. I hope they pull it off.
Do you guys think this is a one off type of year for this team? I think it is I see them competitive but not not this.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 16, 2014 21:37:16 GMT -5
tweet 1 minute ago....
Bob Nightengale ?@bnightengale 1m1 minute ago Michael Morse now up to do one thing as he bats for Bumgarner. Homer.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 16, 2014 22:02:35 GMT -5
If Matheny wasn't going to let Bourjos hit in the case that the Giants tied it up in the 8th, why the hell did he double switch? He could've had Taveras there pinch-hitting for the pitcher without losing Bourjos's glove.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 16, 2014 22:16:48 GMT -5
Good to see Rosenthal and Martinez rested for the next time the Cardinals have a lead.
Matheny didn't do a very good job there in the late innings.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 16, 2014 22:21:38 GMT -5
Holy crap, it seems like every single move Matheny made went south. It doesn't help him that nearly all of them were extremely boneheaded. Wouldn't be that surprised if he doesn't last long in his job.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 16, 2014 22:41:37 GMT -5
For only the 2nd time, we have an all wild card World Series (2002 Giants/Angels).
Of note, if the Giants win, Botchy becomes only the 10th manager in history with 3 WS titles. All the other 9 are in the HOF.
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Post by dcsoxfan on Oct 16, 2014 22:48:00 GMT -5
For only the 2nd time, we have an all wild card World Series (2002 Giants/Angels). Of note, if the Giants win, Botchy becomes only the 10th manager in history with 3 WS titles. All the other 9 are in the HOF. The lesson is with two wild cards, you don't have to be that good to play meaningful baseball in August, September and even late October. THIS is why teams are holding on to their prospects. It is far better to have a prospect who might provide you six shots at a wild card than to trade him for a veteran who might give you one or two shots at a division championship before becoming a free agent.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 17, 2014 5:25:00 GMT -5
Holy crap, it seems like every single move Matheny made went south. It doesn't help him that nearly all of them were extremely boneheaded. Wouldn't be that surprised if he doesn't last long in his job. I'm not sure if I can think of a stupider decision than bringing in Wacha. We complain about Farrell as a tactician, but compared to Matheny he's a cross between Earl Weaver and Stephen Hawking. On an entirely random note, how close was this game going into the ninth? Each team had two home runs, a double, two singles, two walks, and had lined into a DP. The only difference was 7 Ks versus 5. And I wonder if there has ever been a postseason with so many close games but lopsided series. Sort of the opposite of the '61 WS.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 17, 2014 10:02:11 GMT -5
The guy who does impress was in the other dugout. I don't understand why you'd bring in a young starting pitcher in a high-leverage situation. Yost almost selected himself out of the managerial pool with his decision to bring in Ventura against Oakland in the wild-card game. It's a coin flip that KC is even in the post-season. By comparison, Bochy manages precisely for those high-leverage situations just as he did last evening. Casilla did not look happy about being pulled for Affeldt but Bochy played the odds, and he won again. As the Deadspin link above makes clear, second-guessing is easy. But that sure looked like the right move to me.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 17, 2014 17:59:01 GMT -5
Bruce Bochy serves as a good perspective on some issues I have with fan treatments of managers. He's very well likely the game's current best manager (unless you think it's Maddon or Showalter, in which case LOL), but prior to 2010 he was very much HATED by Giants fans. I know that because I'm a huge McCoveyChronicles fan and the stuff Farrell gets around here is nothing compared to what people were calling Bochy and his mom back then. Don't even get me started with Brian Sabean.
The grass is always greener, I guess.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 17, 2014 18:30:07 GMT -5
I thought Sabean was misguided in some of his moves, but there's no questioning the success. It doesn't hurt to be playing in the same division as AZ and the Rockies, but there's more to it than that. The emphasis on pitching and especially the bullpen have carried them a long way.
He's also been strategic with the pickups: Pence, Morse, Scutaro, and others. There's always luck involved, but it's not dumb luck. Those guys have track records.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 17, 2014 22:12:12 GMT -5
Yeah, and even the most random moves Sabean makes seem to work out somehow. I mean, Travis Ishikawa as a LF is downright mockery, it seems like a joke move. And yet, he sends the Giants to the WS with a 3 run homer.
Trading Zack Wheeler is his worst offense and could hurt them some time in the future. Other than that, just great stuff all around.
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