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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 18, 2014 12:41:38 GMT -5
That is not a big amount to be thrown away for naught, especially when sized up against *8* BILLION (2010) being thrown away to the UN towards a group that has anything BUT neutral tendancies and the US pays far and away the largest share. How about cutting that share in half and sending half (at least) back into the private sector where that cash can be used to create jobs? Maybe even cease funding 75% of NATO? Another dinosaur of a group, of which only 1/4 of the 28 members even PAY to themselves be protected? Seems like if the Euros wanted protection, those countries would at least muster up 2% of their GDP, yet most don't. Either fold NATO outright, or cut the payments down to what..Say the English pay (next highest).
1.2b vs half a billion over trade, in order to fold the Castro brothers is small potatoes, especially with waste the US continues to throw around on the world stage.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 18, 2014 12:45:08 GMT -5
That is not a big amount to be thrown away for naught, especially when sized up against *8* BILLION (2010) being thrown away to the UN towards a group that has anything BUT neutral tendancies and the US pays far and away the largest share. How about cutting that share in half and sending half (at least) back into the private sector where that cash can be used to create jobs? Maybe even cease funding 75% of NATO? Another dinosaur of a group, of which only 1/4 of the 28 members even PAY to themselves be protected? Seems like if the Euros wanted protection, those countries would at least muster up 2% of their GDP, yet most don't. Either fold NATO outright, or cut the payments down to what..Say the English pay (next highest). 1.2b vs half a billion over trade, in order to fold the Castro brothers is small potatoes, especially with waste the US continues to throw around on the world stage. Give more money to the private sector? That's working out great for the stock market, not jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 13:14:41 GMT -5
1.2b vs half a billion over trade, in order to fold the Castro brothers is small potatoes, especially with waste the US continues to throw around on the world stage. Hey Mr. Old Fart Geezer Neocon, your bigger concern should be these Castro Brothers, not Fidel and Raul.
Castro / Castro 2024!
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 18, 2014 14:36:30 GMT -5
Lets see.. Trickle down economics, IE: Capitalism was what made this country into the economic powerhouse it was? Or has 6y of socialist policies so changed everything in the minds of the Northeasterners, where they forget what built this country and they have it backwards?? They think that "water flows uphill" and money does also? Alas.. That's how this country became and will continue to be the greatest country on earth???
Also, it's the "other party" with ties to wall street types. Nice try there Jimed. Throwing money into private sector jobs, the correct ones and not useless green jobs are the way to go, not temporary jobs either, but jobs that are THERE and ready, ones that have been idled over the last half dozen years, like the VA/WV coal miners, where there is enough coal (2 states alone) to power this country for *200 years*, oil, by drilling off of Florida, more off of Alaska, where even CUBA and the Russians are encroaching on what should be our turf. They don't care, only fringe elements in the US care.
Have a feeling (strong feeling) after 2016 we'll be seeing more coal and oil being mined/drilled for. THAT is where some of that 4b could be/should be targeted, just like, or should have been over most of the failure green "power" scandalous "giveaways" that have been given out with no hope of getting one dime back since 2008, nor any hope of ever generating one KW of electricity either.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 8:27:52 GMT -5
Lets see.. Trickle down economics, IE: Capitalism was what made this country into the economic powerhouse it was? Or has 6y of socialist policies so changed everything in the minds of the Northeasterners, where they forget what built this country and they have it backwards?? They think that "water flows uphill" and money does also? Alas.. That's how this country became and will continue to be the greatest country on earth??? Also, it's the "other party" with ties to wall street types. Nice try there Jimed. Throwing money into private sector jobs, the correct ones and not useless green jobs are the way to go, not temporary jobs either, but jobs that are THERE and ready, ones that have been idled over the last half dozen years, like the VA/WV coal miners, where there is enough coal (2 states alone) to power this country for *200 years*, oil, by drilling off of Florida, more off of Alaska, where even CUBA and the Russians are encroaching on what should be our turf. They don't care, only fringe elements in the US care. Have a feeling (strong feeling) after 2016 we'll be seeing more coal and oil being mined/drilled for. THAT is where some of that 4b could be/should be targeted, just like, or should have been over most of the failure green "power" scandalous "giveaways" that have been given out with no hope of getting one dime back since 2008, nor any hope of ever generating one KW of electricity either. Big corporations get over $700 for every $1 spent lobbying. This isn't one party or the other. It's both of them. You'll learn eventually.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 9:54:38 GMT -5
JohnSilva, I was with you until you started spewing nonsense about coal mining and drilling for oil. I'm all about business and creating jobs, but I'm also about the planet we live on and there is nothing more important than protecting that environment. I agree we should stop funding the rest of the world and throwing money away where it doesn't belong, but we should also be going full fledged to Clean Energy, it's long over due. A few reasons why:
1. There is a longterm economic benefit to it
2. It can take us out of parts of the world we shouldn't be in
3. It's more healthy. Don't give me clean coal BS. There is nothing clean about coal. Not mining it. Not burning it and not in the environmental waste the whole process leaves behind.
4. Whether you believe in Global Warming or not (I don't care to argue either way), it's irrelevant. The one thing anyone with half a brain or basic knowledge of chemistry should see is it's not good for the environment to pump gasses into it at high rates. The Earth is the perfect blend of chemistry for us to survive and to unnecessarily screw with that at all is the dumbest thing people can do. There's no reason to play Russian roulette with the only place we can freaking breath.
5. Another reason is national security based. The power grid is vulnerable being centralized. Clean energy allows a decentralized grid setup that is much more secure and reliable. If individual buildings supply their own power, you don't have widespread blackouts, etc. While that's not a huge issue most places now. The problem is only getting worse.
6. I am sure the coal miners are great people, but I'm not in favor of saving their jobs when what they produce is toxic and unnecessary. Why do it? Just to save their jobs? No offense,but times change. Should they have stopped the production of steel because it hurt the timber industry? The world evolves.
7. Burning fossil fuels is unhealthy. Would you live right next door to a coal burning plant? Why not? Afraid you'd get sick? News flash you would. So on that alone, why would you want to keep burning that crap when you don't need too?!?
Like I said, I agree with pretty much all you said. I'm just fully behind clean energy and a decentralized grid. I think it's long over due and a shame it's not there. Money is a bullshit excuse as you have pointed out some examples of where it could come from to get started.
And let's just set aside the Global warming debate. I have my opinions on it and so does everyone, but while it's not irrelevant per say, it kind of is. Even if we all agreed there is no such thing, there are many other reasons that on their own support moving to clean energy sources. In my opinion those who are hard core fighters about Global warming have hurt the clean energy cause by being over the top, unfortunately. Regardless of right or wrong, the approach has been terrible.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 19, 2014 10:24:51 GMT -5
Hi Rip, I'm in favor of some aspects of green energy, just not the ones that don't work, nor have any hope of working, like wind energy and solar that is less that *5* percent effective unless they can use lead, which of course is an EPA no-no. I am also not in favor of battery powered cars, which just adds one way, yet takes power away from another.. Green energy, which we CAN take advantage of, yet are short changing? Hydrogen powered vehicles, something you probably (not picking on yourself or anyone) even read about, but something that me, myself studies as a mechanical/electrical tinkerer in my younger days. It's not only viable now, but past prototype stages. hyundai released several test models for sale in California last year and Toyota is releasing a standard model (the FCV) into areas that have hydrogen charging stations and these cars have **0** carbon footprint, go 300 miles between charges and leave nothing but pure H20 as "exhaust" per see. That is the way of the future. Not read this article below, but did read story in last month's Popular Science: blog.caranddriver.com/see-toyota-this-honda-fcv-proves-hydrogen-cars-can-look-awesome/I will stick with drilling for coal, as well as oil for as long as possible as the majority of cars on this planet are powered with gasoline. It's a form of monetary value, if not usable source and the same with coal. As for living with coal disabilities? I am familiar with those. My grandfather went straight to the coal mines near Grundy VA right after WW1. He stayed in them until the early 1950's, when he developed a black lung from coal dust, yet still lived into his 90's, passing away in 1986. Edit: I linked the Honda FCV above. My apologies. here is the Toyota FCV vehicle: www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-toyota-mirai-fuel-cell-sedan-photos-and-info-news
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 19, 2014 10:27:38 GMT -5
There is almost no difference in the level of corruption between green energy corporations and big oil corporations, though we aren't fighting wars all over the world for green energy yet.
To bring this back to Cuba, I bet getting Monsanto into Cuba has something to do with the embargo lifting.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 19, 2014 14:31:27 GMT -5
There is almost no difference in the level of corruption between green energy corporations and big oil corporations, though we aren't fighting wars all over the world for green energy yet. To bring this back to Cuba, I bet getting Monsanto into Cuba has something to do with the embargo lifting. With you there Jimed 100%. Lobbying in general will forever bring about corruption, just like ANY form of campaign donations. I got a quickie question for those who are in such support of loosening the embargo and that's far from certain, which have left alone until now anyway.. Power of someone's pen may have to be used, as there is a certain nearly 60 vote majority in congress that is against opening it. BUT......... Check this out everyone, it's pretty interesting.. A country, communist for 50y and those are the ones rife with corruption.. Recently opened to free market.. Hmmm.. www.newsmax.com/Headline/campaigns-coffers-GOP-U-SCuba-Democracy-PAC/2014/12/19/id/613975/
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 14:34:28 GMT -5
I'm familiar with hydrogen cars, just wasn't about to get into particulars. I'm in favor. Part of me laughs at electric cars considering they get charged on a dirty grid but for me at least it's a step in the right direction. As more of the grid because clean they make more sense and they bring needed awareness and having charging stations around will only add to it.
I hear what you are saying about percentage of effectiveness but it's not like gas or coal are completely efficient and the by product it leaves behind is deadly. If a low percentage of the wind, tide or solar energy is converted it's just unfortunate not a negative byproduct. That's not to say there is no environmental ramifications but that's not from the lower efficiency. Plus, the more it's used the higher the efficiency will be as the technology advances. Kind of like how burning coal and oil and gas has gotten more efficient.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 14:47:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the articles
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 19:07:19 GMT -5
The relationship between the Republican Party and Anti-Castro Cuban elements goes back decades and is a tale of generally despicable and oftentimes illegal activity. Whenever Republicans have needed some freelance criminal act performed (burglaries, assassinations, etc.) they've only had to go through their Rolodex of Cuban anti-Castro zealots in exile. For example, of the five burglars arrested on June 17, 1972 at the Watergate offices of the Democratic National Committee, three were anti-Castro Cuban exiles. watergate.info/burglary/burglars Bernard L. Barker – a realtor from Miami, Florida. Former Central Intelligence Agency operative. Barker was said to have been involved in the Bay of Pigs incident in 1962. Virgilio R. Gonzales – a locksmith from Miami, Florida. Gonzalez was a refugee from Cuba, following Castro’s takeover. Gonzalez fled to Miami in 1959 after Castro's takeover. In addition to the Watergate burglary, Gonzalez would also later be suspected of involvement in JFK's assassination. James W. McCord – a security co-ordinator for the Republican National Committee and the Committee for the Re-election of the President. McCord was also a former FBI and CIA agent. He was dismissed from his RNC and CREEP positions the day after the break-in. Eugenio R. Martinez – worked for Barker’s Miami real estate firm. He had CIA connections and was an anti-Castro Cuban exile. Frank A. Sturgis – another associate of Barker from Miami, he also had CIA connections and involvement in anti-Castro activities.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2014 20:11:50 GMT -5
I take it you're a democrat django... Because democrats help the poor, minorities and are pro education while the republican establishment holds them all back.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 19, 2014 20:39:49 GMT -5
Since poor Django knows nothing about Cuba and how it is hiding murderers on the run... Try: Joanne Chesimard, the Black Liberation Army militant murderess, who shot and killed a cop back in '73, then ran like the coward bitch she is to Cuba to hid under castro... She's still there btw.. Guess she didn't wanna come back and face justice? www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/18/law-enforcement-agencies-hopeful-to-bring-back-fugitives-exiled-in-cuba/Link goes into more detail. Just please pay attention to the number of CRIMINALS castro is hiding from US justice in the story.. 70.. Yeah.. Maybe ur boy should get his pen out and write an executive order ordering them home?!?
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Post by jmei on Dec 19, 2014 20:47:11 GMT -5
Yeah, we're done here.
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