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2015 Non-Sox thread
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 2, 2015 14:53:17 GMT -5
I find it puzzling that the Rangers would just skip AAA with Gallo. Beltre isn't expected to be out long. 2-4 weeks. He apparently was being promoted to AAA on Monday coincidentally, so they just told him to come to Arlington instead. AAA really is just a staging area/finishing school anyway. I'll set the over/under on his K-rate to be 43%.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jun 2, 2015 23:30:12 GMT -5
Wish we could of traded Jon Lester for Joc Pederson
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 8:05:56 GMT -5
Guess I shouldn't have talked trash about Gallo for his first day in the big leagues.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2015 8:17:29 GMT -5
Wish we could of traded Jon Lester for Joc Pederson I wish we could of traded him for Clayton Kershaw and Mike Trout.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 8:48:45 GMT -5
Wish we could of traded Jon Lester for Joc Pederson If that were even possible, which it probably wasn't, we would have almost certainly had to add Miller to the deal, which would have removed Eduardo Rodriguez from our fantasy roster.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 9:01:50 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 3, 2015 11:03:05 GMT -5
Bryant has never had a strikeout rate higher than 30% at any level in the minors. Joey Gallo has never had a full season in the minors with a strikeout rate lower than 30%. In the majors he does. Bryant was also drafted and playing low A ball at about the same age as Gallo is now. I'm not trying to say Bryant will strike out more than Gallo, just that they are both players who will probably strike out a lot while still putting up very good slash lines. More risk in their projections? Noted. Power upside, also noted. Strikeouts shouldn't scare us without the rest of the batters profile in context. There was a sharp rise in average strikeout rates of batters recently, from 16.4% in 2005, to 18.5% in 2010, and 20.1% so far this year. Napoli was a slightly more productive hitter with a 32.4 K% in 2013 (259/360/482) than he was with a 26.6% in 2014 (248/370/419), and much more productive than his 2015 22.8% (210/323/407). Of the 6 qualified MLB hitters with a K% over 30% this year, 4 of them have wRC+ of at least 121, with the other two being close to average at 90, 96. Of the 22 batters with at least a 25% K%, only 6 of them have a wRC+ of less than 100. Included in that list is Bryant, Pederson, Staton, J. Upton, Cruz, and Belt. If Gallo was added to this draft, he would go 1-1 hands down.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 3, 2015 12:09:05 GMT -5
I think you can be a good overall hitter with an over 30% k-rate if you have a correspondingly elite walk rate to go with it. But there is a fine line between good hitter and out of baseball when you strike out that much. A jump in k-rate or a loss of power and there is a small margin of error. Saltalamachia is an example.
And jffram05, you're leaving out all of the guys who would strike out over 30% of the time if they were playing in the majors but aren't because they're not good enough.
Personally, I don't really like watching players like this, but that's just my preference and isn't based on anything.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 3, 2015 13:11:21 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 56s56 seconds ago #Yankees DFA David Carpenter to make roster spot for Tanaka
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Post by jmei on Jun 3, 2015 13:21:48 GMT -5
Joel Sherman @joelsherman1 56s56 seconds ago #Yankees DFA David Carpenter to make roster spot for Tanaka He's been weirdly terrible this year, with significantly worse strikeout and walk numbers, mostly because he's been unable to find the zone (his zone% dropped from 56.2% last year to 47.1% this year; his first strike percentage has similarly dropped from 69.9% to 54.9%). But his contact rates and velo have been pretty similar to career norms, and he was pretty great in 2013-14. He might be worth a waiver claim, especially since he has two years of team control left.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 3, 2015 18:31:22 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago Sources: Deal is Trumbo, Nuno from #DBacks to #Mariners for Castillo, Leone and two prospects.
I guess this gets Arizona a catcher and allows them to play Tomas in the outfield, but... weird.
EDIT:
@dbacks #Dbacks acquire C Wellington Castillo, RHP Dominic Leone, INF Jack Reinheimer & OF Gabby Guerrero from Mariners for Mark Trumbo & Vidal Nuño
So Gabby Guerrero makes this make a little more sense I guess.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 3, 2015 19:49:21 GMT -5
The Diamondbacks got two useful players AND got rid of Mark Trumbo?
Definitely didn't pick Arizona being on the ripping-off end of the biggest rip-off deal of the year.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jun 3, 2015 23:31:17 GMT -5
This just seems like such a strange move for the Mariners, and an overpay at that. I realize Gabby has been playing fairly poorly, but he's 21 at AA, and I still think projects as a decent bat.
The more I think about it, the more I'm just baffled that the M's gave up much of anything to get Trumbo, who was not good in 2014, hasn't been very good this year.
I guess he might be marginally better than Dustin Ackley and/or Seth Smith, but giving up anything of value to maybe get an upgrade, I just don't see it. Then again, Jack Z. doesn't have the greatest track record, and even with his extension, he's probably gone if they don't make the playoffs
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 4, 2015 8:24:21 GMT -5
They're still trying to find bodies who can clear the fences at night in Safeco field. Cano is in a horrible slump, and Cruz is also in the middle of a power shortage. Ackley, Seager, all of them are dead in the water right now.
Jack Z is feeling his mortality but I agree it's hard to see Trumbo as the answer. It's even hard to figure out what question they're working on.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 7, 2015 23:37:15 GMT -5
Monday has been declared Carlos Correa Day!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 7, 2015 23:39:52 GMT -5
One of my great hits in the draft. Oblivious.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 8, 2015 8:40:06 GMT -5
I just loved listening to the radio and how Bill James/computer nerds have ruined baseball and how that philosophy doesn't work and then seeing the terrible move the Mariners just made who seem to be basing this trade on "gut feel".
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 8, 2015 9:22:32 GMT -5
Just watched a few innings of the Mariners series against the Rays over the weekend, including a half dozen Trumbo at bats, and it's as painful a it ever was. And it hasn't gotten any easier for the guy with the expanded strike zone. I understand the desire to speed the game up, and to suppress offense in light of what happened with steroids. But this looks like a very different game now. Add: ...it's certainly a different game in the seats, at least if you're at AT&T field. For those with a nerdish bent, a story from ZDNet about the parks IT infrastructure.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 8, 2015 11:43:45 GMT -5
Just watched a few innings of the Mariners series against the Rays over the weekend, including a half dozen Trumbo at bats, and it's as painful a it ever was. And it hasn't gotten any easier for the guy with the expanded strike zone. I understand the desire to speed the game up, and to suppress offense in light of what happened with steroids. But this looks like a very different game now. It seems to me that the desire would be to inflate offense, given that steroids are less prevalent now and offense has already taken a tumble as a result. I don't know how to solve the dilemma between a slower game and more offense. Only real option is a pitch clock and I think it would quickly become a pretty inconspicuous part of the game, but it would certainly take some getting used to.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 8, 2015 11:44:04 GMT -5
Just watched a few innings of the Mariners series against the Rays over the weekend, including a half dozen Trumbo at bats, and it's as painful a it ever was. And it hasn't gotten any easier for the guy with the expanded strike zone. I understand the desire to speed the game up, and to suppress offense in light of what happened with steroids. But this looks like a very different game now. Add: ...it's certainly a different game in the seats, at least if you're at AT&T field. For those with a nerdish bent, a story from ZDNet about the parks IT infrastructure. Off-topic, but I truly believe MLB would be better served to try and find a way to increase offensive production while decreasing game time. I think people would be good with a 3 - 3 1/2 hour game if the score is something like 10 - 6. People want offense which is why baseball was revived during the "steroid era".
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 8, 2015 11:45:23 GMT -5
Just watched a few innings of the Mariners series against the Rays over the weekend, including a half dozen Trumbo at bats, and it's as painful a it ever was. And it hasn't gotten any easier for the guy with the expanded strike zone. I understand the desire to speed the game up, and to suppress offense in light of what happened with steroids. But this looks like a very different game now. It seems to me that the desire would be to inflate offense, given that steroids are less prevalent now and offense has already taken a tumble as a result. I don't know how to solve the dilemma between a slower game and more offense. Only real option is a pitch clock and I think it would quickly become a pretty inconspicuous part of the game, but it would certainly take some getting used to. I went to a minor league game with the pitch clock turned on and instantly fell in love with it. There is a lot of wasted time that can be cut down to help speed the game along.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 8, 2015 16:39:52 GMT -5
Just watched a few innings of the Mariners series against the Rays over the weekend, including a half dozen Trumbo at bats, and it's as painful a it ever was. And it hasn't gotten any easier for the guy with the expanded strike zone. I understand the desire to speed the game up, and to suppress offense in light of what happened with steroids. But this looks like a very different game now. Add: ...it's certainly a different game in the seats, at least if you're at AT&T field. For those with a nerdish bent, a story from ZDNet about the parks IT infrastructure. Off-topic, but I truly believe MLB would be better served to try and find a way to increase offensive production while decreasing game time. I think people would be good with a 3 - 3 1/2 hour game if the score is something like 10 - 6. People want offense which is why baseball was revived during the "steroid era". To the extent that the speed of the game is an issue at all, it's the pace of play that matters, not the length of game. Rules that push hitters to stay in the box and pitchers to work quickly are all well and good, but I'm baffled that MLB apparently thinks baseball fans want less baseball in their baseball. A back-and-forth 10-8 ballgame that takes three and a half hours is exciting. A 3-0 game that's over in two hours because the strike zone extends so low as to become a source of geothermal heat is pretty boring.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 8, 2015 22:54:31 GMT -5
De la Rosa getting smoked by the Dodgers 9-0. That includes two bombs by Rawlins and Ethier. He's given up 14 so far this year.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 9, 2015 7:11:18 GMT -5
De la Rosa getting smoked by the Dodgers 9-0. That includes two bombs by Rawlins and Ethier. He's given up 14 so far this year. Whoa ... dude has a 20% HR/FB rate. That's, uh, pretty high.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 9, 2015 7:14:37 GMT -5
De la Rosa getting smoked by the Dodgers 9-0. That includes two bombs by Rawlins and Ethier. He's given up 14 so far this year. Whoa ... dude has a 20% HR/FB rate. That's, uh, pretty high. Yeah, it's also not going to stay that way. What Norm forgot to mention is that RDLR still had 4 strikeouts to only 1 walk. At this point I would absolutely love to reverse the Miley trade.
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