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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 24, 2015 1:09:03 GMT -5
Storen also wants to close, and 2 of his last 3 years have been seasons you do not want from a high leverage reliever.
And I don't think the Sox want to touch Papelbon with a 10 foot pole.
I don't see either as guys the Red Sox really considered.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 24, 2015 1:21:03 GMT -5
I'd rather have Kimbrel than Papelbon or Storen so I have no complaints.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 24, 2015 10:16:16 GMT -5
I don't see either as guys the Red Sox really considered. Co-sign.
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Post by deepjohn on Nov 24, 2015 22:57:42 GMT -5
No one really thinks MLB teams conspire to clamp down free agent salaries. Salary and payroll growth has outpaced inflation for more than a decade, and the players' association has made an emphasis on policing collusion by ownership in the free agent market (while paying much less attention to the draft/IFA and minor league salaries/benefits). Owners also have a prisoner's dilemma-type incentive to bid prices higher, especially in an era where growing local TV contracts gives owners excess cash flow and an incentive to spend on salary (more success = better TV contracts). Plus, whatever collusion incentives exist in free agency would also exist in the trade market. It's far more likely that the trade market is less efficient, largely because of greater informational asymmetries. Right, I'm not saying anything illegal is going on such as illegal collusion, but an enormously large legal monopoly has been established and authorized by the courts and provides countless opportunities for legal "conspiracy" (that's why I use the word in quotes). It would be rational and proper for teams to maximize all legal advantages. ... Not sure where to put this, but this Fangraphs analysis claims that free agents are being paid considerably less now, as a percentage of revenue, than they were when the current monopoly was first bargained for: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlbs-evolving-luxury-tax/The author suggests that the players will try to remedy the suppression of their salaries in the next bargaining session in 2017, and if the players succeed, the Red Sox may have a lot more money to spend in 2017. This would explain the Red Sox being "all in" on Price now, since they can exceed the limit next year without a penalty, and avoid future penalties if the limit increases in 2017.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 24, 2015 23:26:02 GMT -5
That sounds about right. It was obvious that the soft cap put in place, back in 2012, was indeed a cap but not that soft at all. The penalties for exceeding it are progressive, painful, and artificial. That keeps salaries lower. At the other end of the supply chain, the value of young talent is depressed with a rigid set of draft rules that keep teams in line. Stay within those rules and you can get cheap talent in a completely non-competitive setting. Exceed your pool limits and you lose draft choices and some of your access to that talent.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 25, 2015 7:19:03 GMT -5
Also, there is a limit on how to actually spend more money effectively. The players who are worth the most haven't hit free agency and their salaries are held down. Giving Price $50 million/year instead of $30 million isn't going to make up for that. They need to address minimum salaries and arb years in the next CBA if they want to increase the revenue % paid out. I imagine there is a huge percentage of players who are in those years. But I suspect that just as in real life, they'll focus on making the rich richer and say it's all fixed when some players are making 200 times more than the players making the minimum.
Because of the looming CBA, I'd be quite surprised to see any star extensions this offseason.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2015 9:57:18 GMT -5
Moved the three above posts into this thread, which i thought made mroe sense.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 25, 2015 11:16:15 GMT -5
Jed Lowrie reportedly traded back from Houston to Oakland. Astros reportedly didn't need a shortstop, apparently.
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Post by Costigan on Nov 25, 2015 11:17:58 GMT -5
Athletics have re-acquired Jed Lowrie from the Astros according to MLB.com. No word on what the return is.
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Post by Costigan on Nov 25, 2015 11:19:23 GMT -5
Old friend Allen Webster is going to the Pirates for Cash Considerations.
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Post by subwayface on Nov 25, 2015 11:39:52 GMT -5
which means he will finally be a success
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Post by radiohix on Nov 25, 2015 13:56:26 GMT -5
Danny Hultzen has been designated for assignment. Given the weak back-end of their 40-man, the Red Sox should go for it. Wow. I'd imagine interest will be high. We're in the part of the calendar where waivers is just by record, and not by league, right?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 25, 2015 14:05:42 GMT -5
Also the White Sox signed Alex Avila to a year deal. Probably doesn't hurt their interest in Swihart if a trade for Sale or Quintana comes back up later in the offseason tho
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Post by Costigan on Nov 25, 2015 14:18:27 GMT -5
The Athletics released A.J. Griffin today. I know he's experienced set backs with his arm, but if he could be had on a minor league flier I'd be pretty happy about him rehabbing in Pawtucket.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 25, 2015 15:06:10 GMT -5
Also the White Sox signed Alex Avila to a year deal. Probably doesn't hurt their interest in Swihart if a trade for Sale or Quintana comes back up later in the offseason tho When your own father cannot justify keeping you around things aren't good.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 25, 2015 16:01:40 GMT -5
Ray Searage is totally going to put Allen Webster together, isn't he.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 25, 2015 16:02:23 GMT -5
Old friend Allen Webster is going to the Pirates for Cash Considerations. It'll be funny when he turns out to be a better bullpen acquisition than Kimbrel.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 27, 2015 23:19:14 GMT -5
More trouble for Puig, who's digging himself enough holes that it's hard to keep track of them. He pushed his sister around according to witnesses - then got into it with the club bouncer. This is interesting as the LA Times story changed within minutes. That probably reflects the fact that the report, from TMZ, is itself changing minute by minute. This was current as of 8:12 Pacific time: Ah, Miami: which begs the question of how far it has to go before mutual combat turns into something else. I know the Sox are looking for a right-handed power-hitting outfielder, and this guy is getting cheaper by the minute, but I'm not so sure...
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 21:34:24 GMT -5
More trouble for Puig, who's digging himself enough holes that it's hard to keep track of them. He pushed his sister around according to witnesses - then got into it with the club bouncer. This is interesting as the LA Times story changed within minutes. That probably reflects the fact that the report, from TMZ, is itself changing minute by minute. This was current as of 8:12 Pacific time: Ah, Miami: which begs the question of how far it has to go before mutual combat turns into something else. I know the Sox are looking for a right-handed power-hitting outfielder, and this guy is getting cheaper by the minute, but I'm not so sure... I think you're going to see the Sox avoid junky character guys like the plague, regardless of any value represented in signing them. The Hanley/Pablo deals have left a lot to be desired effort wise, so I can't see them even entertaining the thought of Puig.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Nov 28, 2015 21:36:48 GMT -5
Ray Searage is totally going to put Allen Webster together, isn't he. Webster needs a confidence coach or orthopedic spine transplant surgeon, not a pitching coach.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 29, 2015 12:07:17 GMT -5
Reports have Jordan Zimmermann agreeing to terms with the Tigers. Detroit has a protected pick, so they make sense for a QO guy.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 29, 2015 12:08:26 GMT -5
@jonheymancbs: zimmermann and tigers have reached a deal
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 29, 2015 12:21:08 GMT -5
“@jonmorosi: Sources: Jordan Zimmermann’s deal with #Tigers expected to be 5 years and around $110 million. @jonheymancbs first reported agreement.”
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 29, 2015 13:16:05 GMT -5
“@jonmorosi: Sources: Jordan Zimmermann’s deal with #Tigers expected to be 5 years and around $110 million. @jonheymancbs first reported agreement.” Wow, that is realitively reasonable. Zimmerman's price must have been hampered by having a pick attached cause I thought he could easily get $150M+
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Post by jmei on Nov 29, 2015 14:26:37 GMT -5
“@jonmorosi: Sources: Jordan Zimmermann’s deal with #Tigers expected to be 5 years and around $110 million. @jonheymancbs first reported agreement.” Wow, that is realitively reasonable. Zimmerman's price must have been hampered by having a pick attached cause I thought he could easily get $150M+ He probably also didn't want to lose the game of music chairs. There aren't more than a couple teams who will spend $100m+ on pitching this offseason, and he was in that spot where you could imagine his market drying up in January/February.
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