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Post by jmei on Dec 1, 2015 19:42:52 GMT -5
I think $1.87 was the tax amount, not the amount they were over the threshold? Unless I am misreading. Oh, good call, I didn't actually click the link. If that's the case, they were over by $10.7m, which would have made it much more difficult to get under the tax threshold, and that threshold may still matter a decent amount.
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Post by xanderdu on Dec 1, 2015 20:00:15 GMT -5
On one hand, it's pretty strange that they exceeded the CBT by only $1.87m-- it seems like they could have gotten under the threshold pretty easily (by trading De Aza, not recalling Craig, throwing in a minor prospect or two to move more salary in the Victorino/Napoli trades). On the other hand, this suggests to me that exceeding the CBT line and paying repeat offender tax rates may not be a big deal to the ownership/front office. They're obviously going to be over in 2016, but this suggests to me that they're OK going over some/all of the time in 2017 and beyond. You already addressed that this was the amount, in tax, paid by teams. I'm not sure this signifies an annual willingness to exceed the line. The 2017 value will increase greatly and I suspect this signing had that in mind. They'll pay this year, but it's not certain they pay in 2017.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 1, 2015 22:00:41 GMT -5
In an effort to counter the Red Sox getting Price, the Orioles trade for Mark Trumbo.
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Post by Alonzo on Dec 2, 2015 0:14:55 GMT -5
On one hand, it's pretty strange that they exceeded the CBT by only $1.87m-- it seems like they could have gotten under the threshold pretty easily (by trading De Aza, not recalling Craig, throwing in a minor prospect or two to move more salary in the Victorino/Napoli trades). On the other hand, this suggests to me that exceeding the CBT line and paying repeat offender tax rates may not be a big deal to the ownership/front office. They're obviously going to be over in 2016, but this suggests to me that they're OK going over some/all of the time in 2017 and beyond. You already addressed that this was the amount, in tax, paid by teams. I'm not sure this signifies an annual willingness to exceed the line. The 2017 value will increase greatly and I suspect this signing had that in mind. They'll pay this year, but it's not certain they pay in 2017. Maybe they figured it wouldn't matter since the cap of 189m will likely increase with the new CBA. Cannot stay that low. I guess it's gonna be at around 210, maybe even higher.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Dec 2, 2015 3:11:07 GMT -5
Zeke Spruill signed with KIA tigers. The deal is reported to be worth 0.7 m.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 2, 2015 4:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 2, 2015 6:20:51 GMT -5
Prediction: Dodgers get Greinke Giants get Upton and Kazmir
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Post by mannofsteele on Dec 2, 2015 7:52:28 GMT -5
Prediction: Dodgers get Greinke Giants get Upton and Kazmir My prediction is that Greinke goes to the Giants. Dodgers get Shelby Miller and O'Day.
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Post by bentossaurus on Dec 2, 2015 8:19:18 GMT -5
Prediction: Dodgers get Greinke Giants get Upton and Kazmir My prediction is that Greinke goes to the Giants. Dodgers get Shelby Miller and O'Day. How about: Giants get Greinke Dodgers get Sandoval and Miley That would make for a sweet offseason.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2015 9:51:05 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2015 10:15:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I've read those comments, but in my mind there's still a difference between "we don't really care about the CBT line at all" (which, if they were only over by $1.9m and didn't try to get under, would be my impression) and "we're willing to go over the CBT line under the right circumstances" (which is what Henry's quotes have suggested).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2015 10:18:08 GMT -5
If the Greinke bidding is truly down to the Dodgers and Giants, and I'm the Cubs, I'm pursuing Johnny Cueto HARD right now to try and get him done before Greinke makes a decision and the loser moves on to him.
(This of course assumes that they do, in fact, have the money to spend on an ace. As many have suggested, this might not be the case unless they're going to add payroll.)
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 2, 2015 10:26:56 GMT -5
If the Greinke bidding is truly down to the Dodgers and Giants, and I'm the Cubs, I'm pursuing Johnny Cueto HARD right now to try and get him done before Greinke makes a decision and the loser moves on to him. (This of course assumes that they do, in fact, have the money to spend on an ace. As many have suggested, this might not be the case unless they're going to add payroll.) Cueto's agent knows this I'm sure.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2015 12:25:11 GMT -5
Padres send Alonso and Rzepczynski to Oakland for Pomeranz and minor league P Jose Torres.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 2, 2015 12:32:57 GMT -5
My prediction is that Greinke goes to the Giants. Dodgers get Shelby Miller and O'Day. How about: Giants get Greinke Dodgers get Sandoval and Miley That would make for a sweet offseason. That's just wrong. Giants and Dodgers are rivals. Giants get ex-Dodger Greinke Dodgers counter by trading for ex-Giant Sandoval Giants double down by trading for ex-Dodger Hanley. A rivalry renewed
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 2, 2015 12:39:19 GMT -5
How about: Giants get Greinke Dodgers get Sandoval and Miley That would make for a sweet offseason. That's just wrong. Giants and Dodgers are rivals. Giants get ex-Dodger Greinke Dodgers counter by trading for ex-Giant Sandoval Giants double down by trading for ex-Dodger Hanley. A rivalry renewed Can we get Allen Craig in on that? What team hates the Cardinals more?
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 2, 2015 13:21:53 GMT -5
Padres send Alonso and Rzepczynski to Oakland for Pomeranz and minor league P Jose Torres. So the Padres basically turned Rizzo into a broken down arm and middling prospect. Way to go.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 2, 2015 14:21:19 GMT -5
@jaysonst: Forget the theory that Jeff Samardzija will be the bargain of the offseason. Teams talking with him say he's claiming to have $100M on table
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 2, 2015 19:23:13 GMT -5
Baseball American Top 10 for the Padres came out today....
1. Guerra 2. Margot 8. Allen
This is surprising. Felt as though Margot was significantly more valuable, but BA is very high on Guerra
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 2, 2015 19:33:53 GMT -5
Pitcher, Jacob Turner and catcher, Tyler Flowers non-tendered by the White Sox today. I don't think either is a fit in Boston, though.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 2, 2015 19:39:18 GMT -5
Baseball American Top 10 for the Padres came out today.... 1. Guerra 2. Margot 8. Allen This is surprising. Felt as though Margot was significantly more valuable, but BA is very high on Guerra It's not just a Margot thing, BA had Guerra higher than Devers in the SAL Top 10.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 2, 2015 21:09:51 GMT -5
On the one hand, I like that BA is willing to stick their neck out with how well they rate Guerra. There can be a bit of an echo chamber when it comes to these prospect lists at times, so I always am a fan of when one person or group rates a player way out of proportion with the consensus. On the other hand, I honestly think they are wrong.
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Henderson Alvarez and Steve Cishek non-tendered by the Marlins.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 2, 2015 21:17:06 GMT -5
Nick Hagadone DFA'd. Dude could never cut down on the walks
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 2, 2015 21:24:00 GMT -5
Nick Hagadone DFA'd. Dude could never cut down on the walks For what it's worth, he was non-tendered, rather than DFA'd. My guess is that they'll try to re-sign him to a minor league contract to get him to rehab following epicondyle surgery.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 2, 2015 21:37:52 GMT -5
Henderson Alvarez designated. A lot of interesting names being made available.
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