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2015 Non-Sox thread
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 4, 2015 21:45:46 GMT -5
The owners are flush with money. I hope the union grinds the sh*t out of them during the next CBA. I'm glad you like paying more to go see a game and more for cable TV - Since all additional cost will assuredly be passed on to you in the form of higher ticket prices and higher sports package carriage fees.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 4, 2015 21:55:49 GMT -5
27 is a lot less than 100. Now multiply that by 6. Its about 600 games in California vs 162. California also has a higher cost of living in general, on top of that. During the Lester negotiations, it even leaked out that the high tax rate and cost of living turned him off about going to San Francisco. They're also saying 6/206 now for Greinke. I don't see how the Dodgers or Giants realistically beat that with taxes and cost of living factored in. Greinke always struck me as the type who thinks he's smarter than he is. Let's say for a minute that he didn't want to come to San Francisco because of the high cost of living. Did it ever occur to the man that any house he buys here will appreciate far more and far more quickly than any house he'll buy in Arizona? His property appreciation here would likely outstrip any additional income tax he'd be paying. Honestly, these discussions of a few million dollars shouldn't be impacting his decision - Given the size of the contract. Maybe he isn't one of those kind of guys. Maybe he didn't like California. Who knows. Pedroia for instance didn't seem to worry about trading security for potential missed cash down the road. Some guys just want as much money as possible.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 4, 2015 21:59:41 GMT -5
The owners are flush with money. I hope the union grinds the sh*t out of them during the next CBA. I'm glad you like paying more to go see a game and more for cable TV - Since all additional cost will assuredly be passed on to you in the form of higher ticket prices and higher sports package carriage fees. It's a reaction to the players recieving a diminishing portion of the revenue pie. linkI am a union guy....and not afraid to say it.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 4, 2015 22:16:04 GMT -5
I'm glad you like paying more to go see a game and more for cable TV - Since all additional cost will assuredly be passed on to you in the form of higher ticket prices and higher sports package carriage fees. It's a reaction to the players recieving a diminishing portion of the revenue pie. linkI am a union guy....and not afraid to say it. Cool. I'm a job creator guy...and proud of it.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 4, 2015 22:42:07 GMT -5
Cool. I'm a job creator guy...and proud of it. Great. I'll thank the unions for bargaining for paid vacations....sick days....and improved work conditions in your company.
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Post by sammo420 on Dec 4, 2015 23:00:33 GMT -5
The owners are flush with money. I hope the union grinds the sh*t out of them during the next CBA. I'm glad you like paying more to go see a game and more for cable TV - Since all additional cost will assuredly be passed on to you in the form of higher ticket prices and higher sports package carriage fees. This. Only you forgot to mention $12 beers that are still half ice.
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Post by jmei on Dec 4, 2015 23:10:38 GMT -5
Payrolls don't drive ticket prices. The hordes of Red Sox fans willing to pay $100+ for a ticket, a beer and a hot dog are what drives ticket prices.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 4, 2015 23:36:58 GMT -5
27 is a lot less than 100. Now multiply that by 6. Its about 600 games in California vs 162. California also has a higher cost of living in general, on top of that. During the Lester negotiations, it even leaked out that the high tax rate and cost of living turned him off about going to San Francisco. They're also saying 6/206 now for Greinke. I don't see how the Dodgers or Giants realistically beat that with taxes and cost of living factored in. Greinke always struck me as the type who thinks he's smarter than he is. Let's say for a minute that he didn't want to come to San Francisco because of the high cost of living. Did it ever occur to the man that any house he buys here will appreciate far more and far more quickly than any house he'll buy in Arizona? His property appreciation here would likely outstrip any additional income tax he'd be paying. Honestly, these discussions of a few million dollars shouldn't be impacting his decision - Given the size of the contract. You realize he doesn't have to invest all of that money in the Phoenix housing market right?
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Post by fisterroboto on Dec 5, 2015 0:17:48 GMT -5
Barry Bonds is back in baseball as the Marlins' hitting coach. I love it. Honestly, its a travesty he was blackballed. He could probably still be an average DH if he was playing.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 5, 2015 1:05:10 GMT -5
Greinke always struck me as the type who thinks he's smarter than he is. Let's say for a minute that he didn't want to come to San Francisco because of the high cost of living. Did it ever occur to the man that any house he buys here will appreciate far more and far more quickly than any house he'll buy in Arizona? His property appreciation here would likely outstrip any additional income tax he'd be paying. Honestly, these discussions of a few million dollars shouldn't be impacting his decision - Given the size of the contract. You realize he doesn't have to invest all of that money in the Phoenix housing market right? You interpreted the exact opposite of what I'm saying. As an example, take the the home Stephen Curry recently bought about 5 minutes away from me - an 8,000 sq. ft. steal for only $3.2 million (which works out to about $400 / sq. ft.). www.sfgate.com/warriors/article/Warriors-Curry-pays-3-2-million-for-Walnut-6654920.phpCurry can sell that home in two years for almost $5 million, banking something close to $1.8 million in the process. That's the housing market in the S.F. Bay Area. You know what an 8,000 sq. ft. home in Arizona is? A white elephant you can't unload because there just isn't enough demand. Given the same investment in something as simple as a home (the presumption is that the man would have wanted a home), Greinke could, in six years, have more than made up for any additional income taxes he'd have paid living here. So, this whole "boo hoo, I'm not going to live in California because it's too expensive and I'm only going to be making $30 + million / year" argument is ridiculous.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 5, 2015 1:15:30 GMT -5
Even if the housing markets in those respective cities continue as they have, this hypothetical version of Zack Greinke you are advising can put the same amount of money in California real estate as if he'd signed with the Giants reaping the high rate of return, while renting his primary residence in Phoenix, avoid a state income tax, and benefit from the many other factors that make up the low cost of living.
Also, actual Zack Greinke has said absolutely nothing about taxes or cost of living being factors in his decision.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 5, 2015 1:22:05 GMT -5
Even if the housing markets in those respective cities continue as they have, this hypothetical version of Zack Greinke you are advising can put the same amount of money in California real estate as if he'd signed with the Giants reaping the high rate of return, while renting his primary residence in Phoenix, avoid a state income tax, and benefit from the many other factors that make up the low cost of living. Also, actual Zack Greinke has said absolutely nothing about taxes or cost of living being factors in his decision. So, you're proposing that Greinke not only play baseball but that he also simultaneously be a real estate investor in another state (as opposed to simply a resident in a home near where he plays). Yeah, because the man doesn't have enough on his plate as it is. What I'm saying is that even a caveman could make up the relatively minor difference in income taxes that we're talking about here - simply by buying a home where he'd presumably be spending the majority of his time. And, by the way, the appreciation I pointed out in my example is for a suburb. If Greinke had bought in San Francisco proper, he could easily have turned a $10 million investment into $20 million by the end of his six year contract.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2015 1:27:11 GMT -5
So does this mean we will or won't be seeing Greinke in the food stamp line ?
I'm also pretty sure that Zach Greinke is intelligent enough to hire financial advisers under the assumption that his agent isn't already serving in that role. I have no idea why people think there's some sort of correlation between the ability to generate money and the ability to invest money wisely.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 5, 2015 1:30:53 GMT -5
So does this mean we will or won't be seeing Greinke in the food stamp line ? I'm also pretty sure that Zach Greinke is intelligent enough to hire financial advisers under the assumption that his agent isn't already serving in that role. You won't be seeing him in the food stamp line. But, something tells me you WILL be seeing him on the transaction wire prior to the end of that six year contract.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 5, 2015 1:36:43 GMT -5
Even if the housing markets in those respective cities continue as they have, this hypothetical version of Zack Greinke you are advising can put the same amount of money in California real estate as if he'd signed with the Giants reaping the high rate of return, while renting his primary residence in Phoenix, avoid a state income tax, and benefit from the many other factors that make up the low cost of living. Also, actual Zack Greinke has said absolutely nothing about taxes or cost of living being factors in his decision. No, but there were reports it factored into Lester's decision, and the fact Greinke signed in AZ, mostly for the money it seems, means its at least a possibility it factored into his decision.
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Post by heisenberg on Dec 5, 2015 1:59:47 GMT -5
Even if the housing markets in those respective cities continue as they have, this hypothetical version of Zack Greinke you are advising can put the same amount of money in California real estate as if he'd signed with the Giants reaping the high rate of return, while renting his primary residence in Phoenix, avoid a state income tax, and benefit from the many other factors that make up the low cost of living. Also, actual Zack Greinke has said absolutely nothing about taxes or cost of living being factors in his decision. No, but there were reports it factored into Lester's decision, and the fact Greinke signed in AZ, mostly for the money it seems, means its at least a possibility it factored into his decision. I 100% agree with you. What I'm saying is that he's kind of a moron for thinking that relatively minor tax difference was worth choosing Arizona over either L.A. or the Giants. Who knows though - Maybe he simply doesn't like California. If that's the case though, he sure had us all fooled - Since he put up some tremendous numbers in L.A.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2015 3:41:00 GMT -5
Believe it or not, not everyone thinks of California as Utopia. I also don't see a connection between doing your job and liking your environment. I know it sounds crazy but....
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 5, 2015 8:56:24 GMT -5
Even if the housing markets in those respective cities continue as they have, this hypothetical version of Zack Greinke you are advising can put the same amount of money in California real estate as if he'd signed with the Giants reaping the high rate of return, while renting his primary residence in Phoenix, avoid a state income tax, and benefit from the many other factors that make up the low cost of living. Also, actual Zack Greinke has said absolutely nothing about taxes or cost of living being factors in his decision. So, you're proposing that Greinke not only play baseball but that he also simultaneously be a real estate investor in another state (as opposed to simply a resident in a home near where he plays). Yeah, because the man doesn't have enough on his plate as it is. What I'm saying is that even a caveman could make up the relatively minor difference in income taxes that we're talking about here - simply by buying a home where he'd presumably be spending the majority of his time. And, by the way, the appreciation I pointed out in my example is for a suburb. If Greinke had bought in San Francisco proper, he could easily have turned a $10 million investment into $20 million by the end of his six year contract. Do we even know that SF offered 6 years? Did they offer anywhere near what Greinke got from Arizona. LA's offer wasn't that close from what I read. As James pointed out, Greinke himself has never said anything about tax rates being an issue. It appears he simply got the highest offer - and it may not have been close. In addition, it's great that the SF housing has been great recently. But making assumptions that the housing market will continue going up at it's current pace is one factors that created the subprime housing crisis. Saying he could buy a home in a certain area now for $3.2 mill and sell it in 2 years for $5 mill isn't much different from saying I could put $2mill into the stock market today and in 2 years it would be worth $2.5 mill.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 5, 2015 9:06:11 GMT -5
Even if the housing markets in those respective cities continue as they have, this hypothetical version of Zack Greinke you are advising can put the same amount of money in California real estate as if he'd signed with the Giants reaping the high rate of return, while renting his primary residence in Phoenix, avoid a state income tax, and benefit from the many other factors that make up the low cost of living. Also, actual Zack Greinke has said absolutely nothing about taxes or cost of living being factors in his decision. So, you're proposing that Greinke not only play baseball but that he also simultaneously be a real estate investor in another state (as opposed to simply a resident in a home near where he plays). Yeah, because the man doesn't have enough on his plate as it is. What I'm saying is that even a caveman could make up the relatively minor difference in income taxes that we're talking about here - simply by buying a home where he'd presumably be spending the majority of his time. And, by the way, the appreciation I pointed out in my example is for a suburb. If Greinke had bought in San Francisco proper, he could easily have turned a $10 million investment into $20 million by the end of his six year contract. You realize that most players own houses in places other than the cities they play in, right? Investing in real estate is just about the easiest thing in the world when you've got tens of millions of dollars to burn. Also, it should be noted that this is an ENTIRELY pointless conversation because even if we totally understand the financial implications of playing in Arizona versus California, it's entirely possible that Greinke's decision wasn't motivated by that at all.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 5, 2015 9:31:52 GMT -5
I'm glad you like paying more to go see a game and more for cable TV - Since all additional cost will assuredly be passed on to you in the form of higher ticket prices and higher sports package carriage fees. This. Only you forgot to mention $12 beers that are still half ice. Hahahaha ... because right now owners are keeping costs lower than people will pay out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 5, 2015 11:43:35 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Dec 5, 2015 13:52:41 GMT -5
Nobody's posted this yet: Jeff Samardjia to the SF Giants. 5yrs $90million. No opt out. SF forfeits their 1st rd pick, #19
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Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 5, 2015 14:38:05 GMT -5
I wonder if that means that Cueto is going to go to LA. I can't see LA replacing Greinke with someone like Mike Leake or Scott Kazmir.
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Post by jmei on Dec 5, 2015 14:47:47 GMT -5
I wonder if that means that Cueto is going to go to LA. I can't see LA replacing Greinke with someone like Mike Leake or Scott Kazmir. They aren't limited just to the FA market to pick up pitching. They could, for instance, sign Heyward and trade Puig for pitching.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 5, 2015 15:17:28 GMT -5
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick 16m16 minutes ago #Cubs are actively exploring a trade for one of the top closers, baseball sources say.
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