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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 2, 2015 18:08:27 GMT -5
So who else here has been listening to the discussion imploring the Sox to put Swihart in the majors today? Did your radio survive?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2015 19:17:34 GMT -5
I love how your stance on this is "just because it rarely if ever happens doesn't mean it won't." Yet your stance on the Sox relying on Owens or Rodriguez to possibly be a fifth starter down the stretch is "no way it's never happened so it won't." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueThis doesn't fit even a little bit, but I appreciate learning a new word. And I'm not even involved in his conversation I just found the conflicting stances interesting. No judgement, just an observation. On topic, Leon was a good pick up for their situation. There isn't a lot to discuss. He for their needs perfectly. Low cost - low money - low commitment - low risk - bridge player who can handle things behind the plate. Offensively Vasquez wasn't good either so it's just the defense hat they cared to replace which wasn't going to happen in full no matter who they got. It's pretty clear that the organization wants little to do with an offense first catcher who can't catch. They tried that with AJ last year and saw how bad it was when the bat failed. The offensive upside isn't enough with most catchers to risk that. Defense is predictable.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 2, 2015 19:42:12 GMT -5
So who else here has been listening to the discussion imploring the Sox to put Swihart in the majors today? Did your radio survive? Why would I do such a thing? I mean, sure, I live hundreds of miles from Boston now, but even when I lived in Cambridge, I never listened to talk radio ... it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 2, 2015 20:01:39 GMT -5
...Offensively Vasquez wasn't good ... It's pretty clear that the organization wants little to do with an offense first catcher who can't catch. They tried that with AJ last year and saw how bad it was when the bat failed. ... Worth noting that Vazquez had a better OPS after the trade than Pierzynski did.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 2, 2015 20:28:49 GMT -5
So who else here has been listening to the discussion imploring the Sox to put Swihart in the majors today? Did your radio survive? Well it only makes sense that idiots would demand the Red Sox rush Swihart to the majors on the same day that JBJ got optioned to Triple-A.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 2, 2015 22:10:04 GMT -5
Memories are short, and there's too much noise to hear yourself thinking anyway.
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Post by dmaineah on Apr 3, 2015 11:07:50 GMT -5
If Vazquez was listed as the starter going into the spring training and Quintero, Leon and Swihart were all in camp competing for the back up spot Hannigan would be a great pick up via a trade and the chatter would be that it was a great deal to get an established Catcher to bring into the fold at this point of the season to allow Swihart more time to develop.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 16, 2015 16:01:31 GMT -5
With hanigan starting rehab and possibly only a couple weeks away do you think swihart or Leon will stay? My vote is if swihart is not struggling stick with him as starter and play hanigan 1/3 time.
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 16, 2015 16:17:13 GMT -5
I'm going to guess the plan would be to start next season with Vazquez and Hanigan, then deal Hanigan at the trade deadline. Accordingly, Swihart probably gets sent down.
Possibly relevant question: Is Swihart a super two if he never gets optioned again?
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 16, 2015 16:19:06 GMT -5
With hanigan starting rehab and possibly only a couple weeks away do you think swihart or Leon will stay? My vote is if swihart is not struggling stick with him as starter and play hanigan 1/3 time. No idea what they are thinking here, probably opposite of me, but personally I'd send Swihart back down. He's done a great job coming to the show over his head and handling the staff, but it's clear he isn't a finished product yet. If Hanigan never got hurt, Swihart would not be in the majors today. On the less important side, this isn't really the season to waste Swiharts control and although Leon can't hit the ball he is still a good defensive catcher that we would have to DFA.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 16, 2015 17:25:43 GMT -5
With hanigan starting rehab and possibly only a couple weeks away do you think swihart or Leon will stay? My vote is if swihart is not struggling stick with him as starter and play hanigan 1/3 time. No idea what they are thinking here, probably opposite of me, but personally I'd send Swihart back down. He's done a great job coming to the show over his head and handling the staff, but it's clear he isn't a finished product yet. If Hanigan never got hurt, Swihart would not be in the majors today. On the less important side, this isn't really the season to waste Swiharts control and although Leon can't hit the ball he is still a good defensive catcher that we would have to DFA. Ya, your defiantly correct. Just my greed to want to see all the young guys play. No saying there isn't another injury or a later season trade. But Swihart would do nothing but benifit from a couple more months in AAA.
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Post by nomar on Jun 16, 2015 17:48:16 GMT -5
Yeah, I would assume Swihart goes down for more reps and so we don't have to DFA Leon.
Leon's 16 wRC is insanely bad though.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 16, 2015 17:51:43 GMT -5
I'm going to guess the plan would be to start next season with Vazquez and Hanigan, then deal Hanigan at the trade deadline. Accordingly, Swihart probably gets sent down. Possibly relevant question: Is Swihart a super two if he never gets optioned again? Swihart will accrue approximately 156 days this season if he stays up. If he were to never see the minors again, he'd likely be a super two (for reference, the projected cutoff this year is 2.140). Based on that, the team's known preference to retain depth (can't option Leon), and other factors (such as the fact that Leon and Buchholz have worked well together), I think it's likely they send Swihart down with a return ticket on Sept. 1.
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Post by danr on Jun 16, 2015 18:30:09 GMT -5
I think Swihart should continue to be the regular catcher. I don't think he will learn nearly as much at Pawtucket as he will in Boston. With this season pretty much lost, it seems to me that it makes sense to keep Swihart as the regular so that he becomes even more knowledgeable about the team's pitchers and the hitters on other teams. He won't get that knowledge at Pawtucket. If they do this he will be better prepared for next season.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 16, 2015 19:22:47 GMT -5
Leon's 16 wRC is insanely bad though. Had no idea, that's hysterical.
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