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Post by charliezink16 on Apr 14, 2015 16:33:54 GMT -5
To me, Holt is an acceptable shortstop (not great but hey neither is Bogaerts), and Weeks isn't. So if a move were necessary I would definitely prefer Marrero. I mean if it were up to me I would just stick Mookie there but I know that isn't happening. Agreed, Holt has been formidable enough at SS to take the starting job (if this X injury is long-term, that is). Weeks is a 2B to me, nothing more. He looked terrible defensively at 3B in ST in my opinion. I assume his defensive play at SS would be even worse.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 14, 2015 16:48:50 GMT -5
I note that Marrero has had pretty significant platoon splits in the minors, so platooning him with Holt might not be the worst thing in the world. The only question really is whether playing the short end of a platoon would impede his development vis-a-vis playing everyday in Pawtucket.
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Post by nomar on Apr 14, 2015 16:55:07 GMT -5
4 out of our 5 starters are groundball pitchers. Marrero would easily have the edge over Holt if it's a long term thing IMO. Holt could play SS when Buchholz starts, or against weaker offenses I suppose, but the way this team is designed would favor a player in Marrero's mold over Holt.
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 14, 2015 16:56:39 GMT -5
To me, Holt is an acceptable shortstop (not great but hey neither is Bogaerts), and Weeks isn't. So if a move were necessary I would definitely prefer Marrero. I mean if it were up to me I would just stick Mookie there but I know that isn't happening. Agreed, Holt has been formidable enough at SS to take the starting job (if this X injury is long-term, that is). Weeks is a 2B to me, nothing more. He looked terrible defensively at 3B in ST in my opinion. I assume his defensive play at SS would be even worse. His first exposure ever at third was in Spring Training. He adjusted nicely IMO later in the spring.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 14, 2015 16:59:15 GMT -5
“@redsoxstats: Maybe should be noted that when the PawSox just resumed their game from yesterday Deven Marrero was replaced. Re: Bogaerts”
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 14, 2015 17:00:09 GMT -5
4 out of our 5 starters are groundball pitchers. Marrero would easily have the edge over Holt if it's a long term thing IMO. Holt could play SS when Buchholz starts, or against weaker offenses I suppose, but the way this team is designed would favor a player in Marrero's mold over Holt. Sure... would favor... if Marrero could hit anywhere near as well as Holt. I mean, who knows, maybe he can, but I won't believe it until I see it.
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Post by nomar on Apr 14, 2015 17:07:14 GMT -5
4 out of our 5 starters are groundball pitchers. Marrero would easily have the edge over Holt if it's a long term thing IMO. Holt could play SS when Buchholz starts, or against weaker offenses I suppose, but the way this team is designed would favor a player in Marrero's mold over Holt. Sure... would favor... if Marrero could hit anywhere near as well as Holt. I mean, who knows, maybe he can, but I won't believe it until I see it. I agree. I've never been a believer in his bat. There likely isn't an exact answer. There will definitely be trial and error if Bogaerts is DL bound. You could always ride the hot hand too. Let's hope Holt can channel his BABIP magic again for a while.
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Post by jmei on Apr 14, 2015 17:15:06 GMT -5
The Marrero vs. Weeks question, like the Swihart vs. Leon question and the [Owens or Rodriguez or Johnson] vs. Wright question, seems like it comes down to a few major variables: how much better is the prospect than the veteran, how much playing time is available, how much would it hurt the prospect's development to come up early, and roster/depth issues.
With Swihart/Leon, most of the variables point towards Leon-- while Swihart is probably better than Leon, he wouldn't get full-time reps (Hanigan would still start at least half the games) and it would significantly disrupt his development to come up a year ahead of schedule. With Wright vs. the PawSox SPs, the same was true-- it was only for a spot start, which means it's probably not worth it to bring a prospect up early (burning a 40-man spot in the process).
With Marrero/Weeks, more of the variables tilt towards Marrero. He's pretty clearly better than Weeks, there might be full-time PT available (or at least a significant chunk of reps), it might be a long-term situation, and Marrero has already spent a decent chunk of time in Pawtucket. Perhaps most importantly, unlike Swihart, Marrero is not a potential future cornerstone guy that you worry about hurting his development too much by rushing him.
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Post by bjb406 on Apr 14, 2015 18:05:22 GMT -5
Why is Betts not an option? Is it suddenly unthinkable to send him back to the infield?
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 14, 2015 18:09:03 GMT -5
I'm a Marrero fan, but I don't know why we wouldn't want Holt to play. He's a guy that has produced. Should stop trying to predict his failure and just go with it.
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Post by soxfanatic on Apr 14, 2015 18:09:15 GMT -5
Why is Betts not an option? Is it suddenly unthinkable to send him back to the infield? He's a plus defensive CF-er now. That's so valuable. If he didn't take so well to CF it's probably an option, but no way you convert him back IMO.
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Post by jmei on Apr 14, 2015 18:22:12 GMT -5
Why is Betts not an option? Is it suddenly unthinkable to send him back to the infield? He hasn't played shortstop in four years now. He's arguably the best player on the team and needs to get everyday reps at a position he's comfortable at rather than attempting a mid-April switch to a position he's unfamiliar with (and one his arm is probably poorly suited for).
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Post by jmei on Apr 14, 2015 18:24:23 GMT -5
By the way, and take this with a big grain of salt, but Remy mentioned on the telecast tonight that he saw Bogaerts before the game and he had a smile on the face. Remy implied that this probably meant that the MRI went well, but it seems like pretty flimsy stuff to me (certainly flimsier than the Marrero-getting-pulled-from-the-game news).
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Post by nomar on Apr 14, 2015 18:31:34 GMT -5
By the way, and take this with a big grain of salt, but Remy mentioned on the telecast tonight that he saw Bogaerts before the game and he had a smile on the face. Remy implied that this probably meant that the MRI went well, but it seems like pretty flimsy stuff to me (certainly flimsier than the Marrero-getting-pulled-from-the-game news). I'll take it though.
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Post by alnipper on Apr 14, 2015 18:39:07 GMT -5
If he is hurt long-term then Marrero, but less than a month Weeks should be backing up Holt mainly.
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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 14, 2015 18:43:11 GMT -5
During the radio pregame Bradford seemed to indicate that Bogarts MRI was just a precaution. Workman is obviously more serious if he's going to see Dr. Andrews. The Marrero question isn't really analogous to the Swihart situation. The Red Sox have a capable backup catcher who had started the past two years. Other than Marrero, the Sox don't have a backup SS who could handle the position for an extended period.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 14, 2015 20:48:37 GMT -5
Farrell says MRI all clear.
He's Day to Day
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 14, 2015 20:50:57 GMT -5
Xander's MRI is "clean" according to Farrell in postgame interview
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 14, 2015 21:29:43 GMT -5
Were Bogaerts to go down with a long-term injury, I wonder what solution Dustin Pedroia would advocate. I wonder whether he still takes ground balls at SS in infield practice. I'm pretty sure he believes he can still play the position. I don't think anyone has any idea how good he'd actually be.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 15, 2015 0:07:05 GMT -5
Were Bogaerts to go down with a long-term injury, I wonder what solution Dustin Pedroia would advocate. I wonder whether he still takes ground balls at SS in infield practice. I'm pretty sure he believes he can still play the position. I don't think anyone has any idea how good he'd actually be. If imagine Pedey's confidence in his ability to play SS (or catch, even) would be pretty high. That said, he'd probably make a good defensive SS. And Betts would be a terrific 2b (at least, he was well on his way in the minors). That would be their best offensive option for the INF, and with Castillo down might warrant a JBJ return visit to play CF. FWIW, Marrero had an excellent AFL stint and looks like a much improved (more selective) hitter in a SSS in Pawtucket this spring. It's all probably academic if Bogey's not out for very long, but I'm not as much of a doubter in Marrero's bat as many seem to be. He was quite good in Portland last year after a cup of coffee in '13, and he seems to be making some adjustments. He was considered a potential top-10 pick in the draft before having a so-so offensive jr year, because some scouts saw offensive upside enough to project him as a .275/.330/.370 or so hitter. A call-up might enhance his trade value as well, though now I'm not so sure I wanna see the Sox move him. I could see him peppering the wall for a few doubles, and if he takes some walks and steals 15-20 bases, he's a valuable hitter at a typically very weak offensive position. OPSing .700 with GG defense makes him a first-division starter given the current MLB landscape.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 15, 2015 6:19:25 GMT -5
There's a reason middle infielders come up as 2B. It's because they lack the range and/or arm to play SS. I don't think Pedroia could make a strong throw from the SS hole. Not only that, but he's doing Ok at 2B. Let's leave him there.
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Post by moonstone2 on Apr 15, 2015 6:52:38 GMT -5
There's a reason middle infielders come up as 2B. It's because they lack the range and/or arm to play SS. I don't think Pedroia could make a strong throw from the SS hole. Not only that, but he's doing Ok at 2B. Let's leave him there. During the seemingly never ending parade of double play partners for Pedroia, the Red Sox have openly discussed moving him to SS. Pedroia doesn't have the arm of a traditional SS as mentioned so he would have to play in more which would cut off his range. Though I have no doubt that Pedroia could play SS every day in the majors due to his outstanding instincts. The Red Sox have never done this. Generally speaking moving a player to the left of the spectrum is a bad idea and there is no reason to do that with a Gold Glove 2B, especially when you have Marrero.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 15, 2015 7:29:48 GMT -5
I've never heard of a guy who was out for a significant amount of time (ACL tear) who continued to play after getting hurt. It seems that everyone knows exactly what happened when it does.
Good news though.
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Post by jmei on Apr 15, 2015 7:47:31 GMT -5
There are lots of long-term knee injuries that aren't torn ACLs, though. Sprained MCLs, torn meniscuses, other cartilage damage that requires microfracture surgery, etc.
ADD: I also think Rondo played most of a game with a torn ACL, and I believe Logan Mankins did as well. But yeah, that's a tough one to play through.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 15, 2015 7:57:56 GMT -5
Philip Rivers played an AFC Championship game with a torn ACL.
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