wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on May 30, 2015 19:50:39 GMT -5
This is a horribly coached team. LOL You're right. Everything's awesome.
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Post by Guidas on May 30, 2015 19:51:58 GMT -5
Meanwhile Tampa, with it's team of nobodies that some projection systems had winning as few as 70 games looks like a good year Oakland team here at the 50 game mark. Also providing more evidence that good pitching + defense > good hitting. But Ben begged to differ when he put together the "Offensive Juggernaut."
Well, at least he got the first part right. This team sure is offensive.
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Post by redsox4242 on May 30, 2015 19:52:25 GMT -5
Bottom line is we need a new manager and coaching staff. The players are not responding and this team is getting worse. Farrell has proven he does not know how to manage.
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Post by Guidas on May 30, 2015 19:53:41 GMT -5
@jtomase: Chi Chi Gonzalez ERA at Triple A: 4.15 Chi Chi Gonzalez K rate at Triple A: 5.4 Chi Chi Gonzalez hits allowed tonight in big league debut: 0
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Post by mgoetze on May 30, 2015 19:54:00 GMT -5
Aaaand another pointless hook to make sure our bullpen isn't underworked.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 30, 2015 19:58:47 GMT -5
I hope we lose this game by 20 runs, things will get done quicker that way.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 30, 2015 20:02:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox now have the 7th worst record in the ML. They seem to like that 7th pick.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 30, 2015 20:02:27 GMT -5
Fielders choice to the right fielder. Nice.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 30, 2015 20:03:08 GMT -5
Bottom line is we need a new manager and coaching staff. The players are not responding and this team is getting worse. Farrell has proven he does not know how to manage. We need a new GM too.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 30, 2015 20:03:24 GMT -5
You're right. Everything's awesome. The problem is how this team was put together. BC isn't capable of fixing. Firing Farrell is just symbolic.
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Post by cologneredsox on May 30, 2015 20:05:04 GMT -5
My disagreement is based on one very simple aspect: Your example completely ignores the time factor. There is one year between your 3-AB sample and the 2-AB sample. No, if I were ignoring the time factor I would be telling you that the 2 AB sample is no more meaningful than a 2 AB sample a year ago, rather than a 3 AB sample a year ago. Look, what I'm telling you is not that one is more meaningful than the other, it's that they're both equally meaningless. That is absolutely standard sabremetric orthodoxy. Tangotiger @tangotiger · May 26 New rule for me: anyone who cites anything fewer than 300 IP for a pitcher and 1000 PA for a batter will get an unfollow from me. Tangotiger @tangotiger · May 26 If you have 1000 PA, would you rather know the 300 most recent, or the 700 prior to that? For any metric of your choosing. Tangotiger @tangotiger · May 27 Usually, the most recent 400-450 tells you as much as the previous 550-600. The interesting ones are those outside this range. I'm not arguing against both a 2 AB sample and a 3 AB sample being relatively meaningless. And I never argued against sabermetric standards et al. Look again which sentence of yours I didn't agree with. The argument a 3 AB sample a year ago means more than a 2 AB sample today (or the other way around) just came off totally wrong to me, and I stand by that. As much as I respect your knowledge of sabermetric aspects and value what info it can give, recently I really am perplexed how radical you use these infos as the only truth. While I love how this game get's analyzed with the numbers and how much info they provide, I really think sometimes it get's forgotten that it's still being played by human beings and sudden changes in performance (outside normal regression or progression norms) can happen. It seems to me that every single little move that's made or not made get's analyzed how it stands sabermetricely. I think many of the decisions aren't being made only based on sabermetric evaluations, and I think that's not necessary a mistake. You have to find the right mix.
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Post by charliezink16 on May 30, 2015 20:05:03 GMT -5
My (friends) MLBTV subscription expired prior to the season so I've been mainly streaming games online. That means NESN on a near nightly basis. I don't know who is on this FOX crew but the color guy is a good change of pace.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 30, 2015 20:09:01 GMT -5
Bad hitting team, bad pitching team, bad fielding team. But at least they don't embarrass themselves on the bases. Oh wait, scratch that.
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Post by dd on May 30, 2015 20:09:34 GMT -5
I really can't remember a worse half inning of defensive baseball by the Sox ... or anybody for that matter. If I'm forgetting one, please let me remain ignorant. I'm guessing you don't approve of interleague play and hence boycotted the series against the Nationals earlier this season? There's one in every crowd. :-) I didn't see that game and I haven't seen all of this one (and won't see the rest) but I've seen 5 of the starters on the field make poor defensive plays One of them made 2. I don't have the baseball expertise to a substantive poster here, there's not much I can add to the level of discussion. This is the gameday thread though so I'll take this liberty. I've been, in my own little offline world, a defender of BC. That's hard though watching this.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 30, 2015 20:09:45 GMT -5
NESN is just plugging one thing after another. They rarely talk baseball. You don't realize it until you watch a good broadcast.
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Post by redsox4242 on May 30, 2015 20:09:59 GMT -5
Bottom line is we need a new manager and coaching staff. The players are not responding and this team is getting worse. Farrell has proven he does not know how to manage. We need a new GM too. Agreed, I also should point out that.. Farrell didn't sign a shortstop for 90 million and decided to put him in the outfield where he never played in his life Farrell didn't sign an overrated bum from Cuba for 72 million who can't catch a fly ball. Farrell didn't trade the best pitcher in the AL for a good outfielder and then swapped him for an average pitcher. Then proceeded to sign the average bum for 85 million before throwing a pitch. Those are my issues with Cherington.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 30, 2015 20:18:32 GMT -5
But I'm trying, Ringo, I'm trying real hard....to be the shepard
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Post by nomar on May 30, 2015 20:18:49 GMT -5
Just a bad team
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 20:20:11 GMT -5
The Red Sox might have to take on the role of lovable losers vacated recently by the Cubs.
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Post by mgoetze on May 30, 2015 20:21:13 GMT -5
As much as I respect your knowledge of sabermetric aspects and value what info it can give, recently I really am perplexed how radical you use these infos as the only truth. While I love how this game get's analyzed with the numbers and how much info they provide, I really think sometimes it get's forgotten that it's still being played by human beings and sudden changes in performance (outside normal regression or progression norms) can happen. Of course it's possible that the underlying talent has changed. The issue here is that the 2 AB sample isn't going to confirm or deny that. Josh Hamilton homering twice off Steven Wright is much more likely to mean that Wright flukily threw two mistake pitches to the same guy rather than that Hamilton suddenly developed a magic ability to homer off any knuckleball. Recency bias is something that happens to human brains a lot. Would people be so vehement to defend their conclusions if we were talking about a 2 AB sample from a week ago rather than from the same day? Probably not. But there is no proof whatsoever that the 2 AB sample from the same day is at all special. It is just as random as any other sample. And the knuckleball really is a bit special here. I do think Farrell could theoretically see something like "hey, you're tipping off your slider to this guy and he's really good at hitting it, don't throw him any more sliders." But for knuckleballs? Nuh-uh. As Eric has preached so often, a perfect knuckleball will break randomly. It's possible a hitter might be particularily good at fouling those off, but hitting homers? I just don't believe it.
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Post by mgoetze on May 30, 2015 20:24:44 GMT -5
I didn't see that game and I haven't seen all of this one (and won't see the rest) but I've seen 5 of the starters on the field make poor defensive plays One of them made 2. Just to be clear, it was the Nats who absolutely embarrassed themselves defensively in that series. I would say worse than the Red Sox here, though it's close.
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Post by wcp3 on May 30, 2015 20:26:42 GMT -5
You're right. Everything's awesome. The problem is how this team was put together. BC isn't capable of fixing. Firing Farrell is just symbolic. It's not a one or the other situation. Yes, this team had built-in flaws, but essentially the entire roster is underachieving, and they do all the small things poorly to boot. Oh, and Farrell's decision-making is shaky to say the least.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 30, 2015 20:27:06 GMT -5
... I don't know who is on this FOX crew but the color guy is a good change of pace. Eric Karros. Who just said, "You used to go to the games just to watch Tom Goodwin run." Right. I assure you, not even Goodwin's mother went to any games to watch him run.
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Post by klostrophobic on May 30, 2015 20:27:15 GMT -5
E-Rod, pray for rain, pray for rain, pray for rain, pray for rain.
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Post by klostrophobic on May 30, 2015 20:28:33 GMT -5
P.S. if the Red Sox had decided to DFA the entire starting rotation on Opening Day and merely promoted the Pawsox starters to Boston how would their record differ?
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