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5/28-5/31 Red Sox @ Rangers Series Thread
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Post by grandsalami on May 30, 2015 21:24:16 GMT -5
“@scottlauber: Farrell was as angry as I’ve seen him all season. ”This isn’t about us talking. This is about us going out and doing it“ #RedSox”
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Post by grandsalami on May 30, 2015 21:24:37 GMT -5
I'll add that when both Friedman and Maddon were available in the off-season I advocated for acquiring both, most strongly for Maddon. If I was in John Henry's position and this ends up being another losing season in Oct I'd fire Cherrington and Farrell, fly to Cali, offer Beane twice his current salary and increase his ownership position by 1% (although even matching it by giving him that piece of Boston over Oakland would likely nearly double his equity value). Beane's daughter's an adult now so "watching her grow up" should be less of an issue, now. Oh man... Beane would totally drive this board crazy. Can you imagine what people would be screaming here if the Sox pulled off something like the Donaldson trade? Exactly I don't want him
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Post by grandsalami on May 30, 2015 21:27:53 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Asked if he’s been surprised the Red Sox haven’t put together any kind of winning streak, Farrell: ”Quite honestly, yes.“”
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Post by TX on May 30, 2015 21:28:28 GMT -5
The guy who roots for the Sox and their terribly inexperienced - and wrong - GM, wouldn't want Beane to handle the roster instead. LOL! That's all I can say.
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Post by Guidas on May 30, 2015 21:28:45 GMT -5
There'd be no need, at least not that early in his career, because Beane would have 4x the budget.
And fora change the Sox might develop or acquire some good young pitchers instead of one every 7 years or so.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 30, 2015 21:35:46 GMT -5
I'll add that when both Friedman and Maddon were available in the off-season I advocated for acquiring both, most strongly for Maddon. If I was in John Henry's position and this ends up being another losing season in Oct I'd fire Cherrington and Farrell, fly to Cali, offer Beane twice his current salary and increase his ownership position by 1% (although even matching it by giving him that piece of Boston over Oakland would likely nearly double his equity value). Beane's daughter's an adult now so "watching her grow up" should be less of an issue, now. If JWH did that, he'd be suspended from BB and probably for more than a year. It would be the most blatant example of tampering in the history of sports.
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Post by TX on May 30, 2015 21:36:06 GMT -5
I think the fact that Beane rolled with pitching last late summer, regardless if it worked, is all we need to know about how much better he would be as our GM than this fool Ben. God, I literally hate this man. Leave, Ben, NOW!
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Post by wcp3 on May 30, 2015 21:40:58 GMT -5
I think the fact that Beane rolled with pitching last late summer, regardless if it worked, is all we need to know about how much better he would be as our GM than this fool Ben. God, I literally hate this man. Leave, Ben, NOW! You seen sane and rational.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 30, 2015 21:43:58 GMT -5
Jeez, what an abomination this team has been so far.
Like Guidas, I'm holding off on blaming the GM or the manager. The way the players are performing, my fingers right now, point squarely on them.
Like Guidas, I picked the Sox to win about 85 games which seems terribly optimistic right now.
I figured the offense should be good to above average and that the pitching was questionable and that not signing Lester was a big mistake that would eventually cause a ripple affect that gets one of their best prospects traded.
We knew Ortiz could suddenly be 39, but getting Hanley should have helped offset it, and Sandoval, as mediocre and overpaid as he is, should be an upgrade over what the Sox had gotten out of 3b recently, although Holt could have been a cheaper solution at 3b. Still it was unreasonable of BC to make these moves. You'd think a guy who was a SS would be athletic enough to play the shortest LF in baseball for 81 games and have enough range to catch a fly ball in away ballparks.
I would have thought that Betts might be a sparkplug right out of the gate and that Bogaerts could very well blossom in 2015.
That's why I can't lay the lack of offense at Ben's feet. I'm not sure what Farrell could do differently. This team is basically station to station so it leads to a lot of double plays and stranded baserunners and unless they hit a homer, it's really hard for the Sox to score.
It's easier to lay the pitching issues on Ben, although I thought the reasoning behind trying to invest in mid 20 something year olds in Kelly, Porcello, and Miley was a reasonable gamble, but by not having a "sure thing" like Lester around, there was too much risk and there's also the possibility that Porcello will never be more than a backend type starter who's making #2 type starter money, that Miley will always be mediocre, and that Kelly will never get his command down.
I guess I just want to see how that young core makes out before I dismiss Ben. I do believe he did a good job in trying to get a young core that has Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, Moncada, Margot, and Devers in it, and he did a great job in getting Rodriguez for Miller.
Everything else he's done has been highly questionable. Rusney Castillo was supposed to be a Ron Gant type or at least a younger version of Victorino, and that remains to be seen.
And if we knew the Sox were going to stink, boy do I wish they had gotten prospects for Lester and Lackey instead of guys they were going to use to reinvest in 2015, but hindsight is 20-20, and in this market, they can only reload rather than rebuild unfortunately.
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Post by TX on May 30, 2015 21:44:22 GMT -5
Yes I have. Too bad he's in Chicago now.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 30, 2015 21:45:45 GMT -5
where's the Ben-Defenders? Everyone wants an ace. If Ben does it the fans' way, we'd end up with the next CC Sabathia.
24 hours after E-Rod day, Ben is taking on the chin. Rough crowd.
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Post by redsox4242 on May 30, 2015 21:50:25 GMT -5
where's the Ben-Defenders? Everyone wants an ace. If Ben does it the fans' way, we'd end up with the next CC Sabathia. 24 hours after E-Rod day, Ben is taking on the chin. Rough crowd. How's the Lackey trade working out for us? Thanks Ben.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 30, 2015 21:50:37 GMT -5
where's the Ben-Defenders? Everyone wants an ace. If Ben does it the fans' way, we'd end up with the next CC Sabathia. 24 hours after E-Rod day, Ben is taking on the chin. Rough crowd. Sabathia is a waste of money now but for the first half of his contract, I don't think anybody that's a Yankees fan complained. They certainly weren't complaining when he led the team to a Championship in 2009. It's a little like Lackey. He pitched hurt and stunk and was hated. Then he got healthy, and suddenly he was a good pitcher again, helped win a World Series. The point is that with a contract like Sabathia's if you get a reasonable amount of value, it's worth some of that dead money. You'll never sign a guy to a 7 year deal, who'll give you 7 great years, but if you get four and five and it helps you win a Championship, it could be a risk worth taking.
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Post by TX on May 30, 2015 21:52:01 GMT -5
where's the Ben-Defenders? Everyone wants an ace. If Ben does it the fans' way, we'd end up with the next CC Sabathia. 24 hours after E-Rod day, Ben is taking on the chin. Rough crowd. An ace would be nice, sure. But having 5 guys who don't totally blow could be better. All imo, of course.
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Post by Smittyw on May 30, 2015 21:53:45 GMT -5
Man, watching this team is tough. They seem to tease us once or twice a week with how good they could be, but they're incapable of building any momentum at all...it's continually one step forward and two steps back.
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Post by mgoetze on May 30, 2015 21:54:51 GMT -5
where's the Ben-Defenders? It gets kinda boring making the same arguments over and over again, and I have at least half the posters currently calling for Ben's head on my list of blocked users anyway.
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Post by grandsalami on May 30, 2015 22:03:06 GMT -5
I think the fact that Beane rolled with pitching last late summer, regardless if it worked, is all we need to know about how much better he would be as our GM than this fool Ben. God, I literally hate this man. Leave, Ben, NOW! Lol
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Post by grandsalami on May 30, 2015 22:06:15 GMT -5
I think the fact that Beane rolled with pitching last late summer, regardless if it worked, is all we need to know about how much better he would be as our GM than this fool Ben. God, I literally hate this man. Leave, Ben, NOW! And if Ben made the trade that BB made with Donaldson the whole board would be calling for his head. A lot of his trades with the A's have been head scratchers
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Post by TX on May 30, 2015 22:13:40 GMT -5
Given Donaldson's mouth to date, I doubt he could handle a year here, not that that's your point. Given how Beane prioritized pitching last year for his playoff run, the man has his head on straight, and I'd do flips if we could get him. To be clear: Ben thought he could challenge with 5 known shmucks. His head is wrong.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 30, 2015 22:14:25 GMT -5
Sox can afford to pay to fix the mistakes.
But the only guys in the organization that can hit are Pedroia and a couple B prospects in AA. At this rate, Blake Tekotte will be our starting RF by August.
Now there's a serious matter ... can Pedroia fix Pablo?
Torey Lovullo: is he the problem or is he the solution? Did he advocate keeping Ortiz in the lineup for the entire month of May. Ortiz is a permanent platoon and when will admit it?
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Post by grandsalami on May 30, 2015 22:15:09 GMT -5
Given Donaldson's mouth to date, I doubt he could handle a year here, not that that's your point. Given how Beane prioritized pitching last year for his playoff run, the man has his head on straight, and I'd do flips if we could get him. To be clear: Ben thought he could challenge with 5 known shmucks. His head is wrong. And what good did all those deadline trades get him? a WS? Have they won the WS since he became GM?
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Post by thursty on May 30, 2015 22:16:58 GMT -5
setting aside the merits, that's the kind of game that gets managers fired
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Post by Guidas on May 30, 2015 22:18:26 GMT -5
where's the Ben-Defenders? Everyone wants an ace. If Ben does it the fans' way, we'd end up with the next CC Sabathia. 24 hours after E-Rod day, Ben is taking on the chin. Rough crowd. The only thing bad about the Yankees deal with Sabathia is when he exercised his opt out they didn't let him walk, they scrambled in the 15 day exclusive period to extend him.
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Post by TX on May 30, 2015 22:19:20 GMT -5
Given Donaldson's mouth to date, I doubt he could handle a year here, not that that's your point. Given how Beane prioritized pitching last year for his playoff run, the man has his head on straight, and I'd do flips if we could get him. To be clear: Ben thought he could challenge with 5 known shmucks. His head is wrong. And what good did all those deadline trades get him? a WS? Have they won the WS since he became GM? Be fair.. his budget. And I think picking on him for his trades last year is disingenuous. Donaldson is a dick and both his pitching pickups were studs (at the time). It should have worked.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 30, 2015 22:20:23 GMT -5
“@alexspeier: Red Sox get shut out in their penultimate May game, have major league-worst 79 runs and 2.8 R/G this month. No other team averages <3/game.” Baffling.
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