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Post by nomar on May 31, 2015 15:55:40 GMT -5
Love the steal there from Hanley. Definitely unexpected.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 15:57:54 GMT -5
Solid baseball, good job.
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Post by charliezink16 on May 31, 2015 15:58:28 GMT -5
Partially why I dislike the "never give up an out" argument. At least try and go the other way to get Hanley to 3rd, those were two atrocious AB's from Naples & Panda. Thank you Bogaerts.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 31, 2015 16:02:00 GMT -5
Nice at-bat by Swihart, overcoming the cross-eyed strike call by the ump. I suppose that's one way to keep junk-ballers in the league.
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Post by bookiemetts on May 31, 2015 16:02:50 GMT -5
That was a really nice at bat from Swihart. Fought off all that off speed crap and was able to catch up with the inside fastball. His offense has been coming around nicely. I guess the next thing to come is the power!
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Post by Guidas on May 31, 2015 16:06:44 GMT -5
Do they ever take pitches in Cuba? Asking for a friend.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on May 31, 2015 16:08:07 GMT -5
The count was 3-2
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Post by Guidas on May 31, 2015 16:13:17 GMT -5
I was speaking of the first three pitches of Castillo's AB, which were all out of the zone.
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Post by atzar on May 31, 2015 16:16:10 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead horse, but the botched double play opportunity by Pedroia and Bogaerts cost Kelly possibly two innings of work in addition to the run.
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Post by jmei on May 31, 2015 16:20:49 GMT -5
I mean, one player being on pace for being 14 runs worse defensively than his career mark (Sandoval) and another being on pace for 11 runs worse defensively than his career mark (Pedroia) is pretty much the definition of good defenders making bad plays. I meant they're not good defenders this year who are just making bad plays today. And X is just plain bad this year and last. Right, that was my point-- that they're players who have a good (or, in the case of Sandoval, at least above-averageish) true talent level of defensive performance who have, in a small sample to start the year, played well below those career marks. And the stats you quoted suggest that Xander is slightly below-average, but not much worse than that. Which looks about right to me.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 31, 2015 16:26:25 GMT -5
Partially why I dislike the "never give up an out" argument. At least try and go the other way to get Hanley to 3rd, those were two atrocious AB's from Naples & Panda. Thank you Bogaerts. Yeah also SBs help avoid the double play, which has been killing us this year.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 31, 2015 16:30:17 GMT -5
I meant they're not good defenders this year who are just making bad plays today. And X is just plain bad this year and last. Right, that was my point-- that they're players who have a good (or, in the case of Sandoval, at least above-averageish) true talent level of defensive performance who have, in a small sample to start the year, played well below those career marks. And the stats you quoted suggest that Xander is slightly below-average, but not much worse than that. Which looks about right to me. Only one of them has a good track record and that's Pedroia. Sandoval is, as you put it, "above-averageish" and is even a bit worse than that for his career if you use b-Ref dWAR. X is below average, which is known as "bad. (By the eye test, X seems better this year than last, but his UZR isn't showing that. B-ref dWAR, however does show some improvement for him. He was -.9 last year and .1 this year.)
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Post by charliezink16 on May 31, 2015 16:31:57 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, High IQ baseball player.
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Post by mgoetze on May 31, 2015 16:33:18 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, High IQ baseball player. Wait, how does getting picked off demonstrate a high IQ?
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 31, 2015 16:41:30 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, High IQ baseball player. Wait, how does getting picked off demonstrate a high IQ? ...except he wasn't. He had such a jump on the guy, the pitcher looked like he was throwing over to first from a lounge chair. Throw in the great slide and it got him to second safe.
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Post by mgoetze on May 31, 2015 16:44:48 GMT -5
IMHO the main reason he was safe at 2nd was a poor throw from the first baseman.
In other news, that was the 5th inning Tommy Layne has pitched in in the past 3 days.
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Post by jmei on May 31, 2015 16:51:37 GMT -5
Right, that was my point-- that they're players who have a good (or, in the case of Sandoval, at least above-averageish) true talent level of defensive performance who have, in a small sample to start the year, played well below those career marks. And the stats you quoted suggest that Xander is slightly below-average, but not much worse than that. Which looks about right to me. Only one of them has a good track record and that's Pedroia. Sandoval is, as you put it, "above-averageish" and is even a bit worse than that for his career if you use b-Ref dWAR. X is below average, which is known as "bad. (By the eye test, X seems better this year than last, but his UZR isn't showing that. B-ref dWAR, however does show some improvement for him. He was -.9 last year and .1 this year.) You're making a purely semantic point. Going from above-average or average to one of the worst defensive ratings in the league at the position is just as fluky and likely unsustainable as going from elite to average.
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Post by charliezink16 on May 31, 2015 17:00:03 GMT -5
Wait, how does getting picked off demonstrate a high IQ? ...except he wasn't. He had such a jump on the guy, the pitcher looked like he was throwing over to first from a lounge chair. Throw in the great slide and it got him to second safe. Yep, all of this. I was actually referencing the way he ran into Moreland's throwing path before sliding to the right side of the bag. Pure instinct.
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Post by TearsIn04 on May 31, 2015 17:00:24 GMT -5
Only one of them has a good track record and that's Pedroia. Sandoval is, as you put it, "above-averageish" and is even a bit worse than that for his career if you use b-Ref dWAR. X is below average, which is known as "bad. (By the eye test, X seems better this year than last, but his UZR isn't showing that. B-ref dWAR, however does show some improvement for him. He was -.9 last year and .1 this year.) You're making a purely semantic point. Going from above-average or average to one of the worst defensive ratings in the league at the position is just as fluky and likely unsustainable as going from elite to average. Not my point at all and it's not what you previously said, but whatever. Equine bludgeoned to cessation.
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Post by ray88h66 on May 31, 2015 17:06:06 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, High IQ baseball player. Wait, how does getting picked off demonstrate a high IQ? Ricky Henderson use to do this several times a year. Most guys stop or go back for the tag. He took off and made it a tough throw, baseball IQ, no math or stats involved Doing my best to get on the honor roll of blocked posters, if I haven't got there yet. I haven't blocked anyone, but you seem to be proud of your numbers..
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Post by atzar on May 31, 2015 17:09:07 GMT -5
Uh... Lol
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 31, 2015 17:10:54 GMT -5
God thats funny.
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Post by benjaminbuttons on May 31, 2015 17:11:17 GMT -5
Took the Rem Dog and Orsillo 5 mins to figure out the ump was saying Castillo was pushed off the bag.
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Post by jimed14 on May 31, 2015 17:12:28 GMT -5
I don't even know what they called there. That he pushed Castillo's foot off the base?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 31, 2015 17:14:07 GMT -5
That would've been a perfect time to use the squeeze play.
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