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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2015 21:55:28 GMT -5
There's more than one way to skin a cat. Alvarez is a career 96 ERA-/105 FIP-/101 xFIP- pitcher who is all of 25 years old, and while he is coming off serious elbow/shoulder issues, I would be all over him on a one year, low-salary contract. He was projected to earn $4m in arb, so $2-3m should do it. He'd be useful rotation depth (he's likely to start the season on the DL and I think he has options left) or maybe even an intriguing bullpen conversion candidate. If he sticks, he's arb-eligible in 2017.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 2, 2015 21:57:54 GMT -5
I get why people think the Sox are "all in" and they basically are, I just don't think the Sox view it quite that way. They know their core is extremely young, so as much as they're pairing them with elite talent, they're also pairing them with veteran leaders.
Price's effect on the younger guys, Owens, Erod, etc will surely be felt. I'm sure Pat Light and Barnes will also benefit from Price and Kimbrel. And from all accounts, Chris Young is a fantastic veteran presence that should be good for Betts/JBJ and Castillo to an extent.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 2, 2015 22:01:33 GMT -5
There's more than one way to skin a cat. Alvarez is a career 96 ERA-/105 FIP-/101 xFIP- pitcher who is all of 25 years old, and while he is coming off serious elbow/shoulder issues, I would be all over him on a one year, low-salary contract. He was projected to earn $4m in arb, so $2-3m should do it. He'd be useful rotation depth (he's likely to start the season on the DL and I think he has options left) or maybe even an intriguing bullpen conversion candidate. If he sticks, he's arb-eligible in 2017. Yeah, he's sort of an interesting guy, but considering the way the sox are set up he seems like a guy who wouldn't find time in the majors in 2016 starting, but I wouldn't hate having for depth. I'm not so sure the Sox would consider him for the pen. A low strikeout guy who pitches to contact isn't the guy I think DD is looking for.
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Post by jmei on Dec 2, 2015 22:09:14 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first time a pitcher experienced a huge spike in K rate coming out of the pen (whether due to a velo jump or concentrating on two pitches). Before shifting to the pen, Wade Davis and Brett Cecil were ~6 to 7 K/9 guys like Alvarez is now. Plus, I don't think Dombrowski is dogmatic enough to ignore a guy just because he's more of a GB guy than a strikeout guy.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 2, 2015 23:10:36 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first time a pitcher experienced a huge spike in K rate coming out of the pen (whether due to a velo jump or concentrating on two pitches). Before shifting to the pen, Wade Davis and Brett Cecil were ~6 to 7 K/9 guys like Alvarez is now. Plus, I don't think Dombrowski is dogmatic enough to ignore a guy just because he's more of a GB guy than a strikeout guy. I'll agree with that, I think a guy who can induce a timely double play is useful. It just seems like an odd project for the Sox and for a guy who had a really great 2014 season starting, probably feels like he can start, and probably wants to use 2nd half of 2016 to recoup some value and sign a nice size deal in free agency. I don't think Boston is the best venue for him to achieve that.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 3, 2015 0:06:50 GMT -5
Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez non tendered at the deadline
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Post by nomar on Dec 3, 2015 0:24:45 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first time a pitcher experienced a huge spike in K rate coming out of the pen (whether due to a velo jump or concentrating on two pitches). Before shifting to the pen, Wade Davis and Brett Cecil were ~6 to 7 K/9 guys like Alvarez is now. Plus, I don't think Dombrowski is dogmatic enough to ignore a guy just because he's more of a GB guy than a strikeout guy. He's been a 3 K/9 guy more recently.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 3, 2015 0:34:14 GMT -5
In four games.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 3, 2015 0:50:29 GMT -5
Chris Carter and Pedro Alvarez non tendered at the deadline Given the way KC triumphed with guys who make good contact, this looks like some of the fallout. Both players are classic three true outcomes types.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 3, 2015 1:03:44 GMT -5
Cesar Ramos non-tendered by the Angels. Could he be a left-handed upgrade to our bullpen? Perhaps send Layne to Pawtucket on his final option?
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 3, 2015 2:28:14 GMT -5
Cesar Ramos non-tendered by the Angels. Could he be a left-handed upgrade to our bullpen? Perhaps send Layne to Pawtucket on his final option? lefties hit .274/.346 off him last year, they hit .148/.248 off Layne. Layne is a classic LOOGY. He was forced into facing righties last year because our pen was atrocious. If they build the pen correctly, and use Layne as he's supposed to be used, he's a weapon.
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Post by blizzards39 on Dec 3, 2015 4:42:33 GMT -5
Hagadone and middlebrooks. Go get them. Haha. Remember not to long ago when both these guys were highly rated around here. Both non-tendered today. Seriously though, I think we need- 1- a little more pen help. A good lefty would be nice but we could definatly start the season not worrying about that. Good arms is what counts. Kelly could be a key here to 2- possibly move a SP. I know you can't have enough but?? Kelly could go to pen. Same with wright(out of options), but not sure I like a Kballer in pen. Buch?? (Prob wouldn't get enough in return to make up for upside ) Miley is kinda the obvious !! 3- have a 1B plan. This could be anything but if Hanley is here and if he struggles on defensive and Ortiz is healthy then what???
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2015 7:21:40 GMT -5
It wouldn't be the first time a pitcher experienced a huge spike in K rate coming out of the pen (whether due to a velo jump or concentrating on two pitches). Before shifting to the pen, Wade Davis and Brett Cecil were ~6 to 7 K/9 guys like Alvarez is now. Plus, I don't think Dombrowski is dogmatic enough to ignore a guy just because he's more of a GB guy than a strikeout guy. Alvarez is at 4.73 K/9 for his career. He truly has a bizarre set of stats.
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Post by nomar on Dec 3, 2015 8:34:56 GMT -5
Oops never mind. I'll show myself out!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 3, 2015 10:46:17 GMT -5
Alvarez will reportedly miss at least the first month, and there's speculation that the Marlins were worried he'd miss even more than that. Would all depend on the medicals, for me.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 4, 2015 17:43:12 GMT -5
“@alexspeier: Dombrowski: Sox have ‘already fielded numerous phone calls’ from other teams about starting depth.”
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2015 20:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by artfuldodger on Dec 5, 2015 22:12:29 GMT -5
Does anyone else have a feeling that no other team would offer Cueto 6/120? Would you want the Sox to sign Cueto for Rick Porcello money or go up to 5/100?
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Post by mgoetze on Dec 5, 2015 22:22:21 GMT -5
Does anyone else have a feeling that no other team would offer Cueto 6/120? No, in fact I would say he's definitely going to get more than that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2015 22:22:37 GMT -5
Does anyone else have a feeling that no other team would offer Cueto 6/120? Would you want the Sox to sign Cueto for Rick Porcello money or go up to 5/100? I can see the Dodgers dropping 6 years $150 million. Somebody will give him more than Arizona offered. I'd be stunned if that wasn't the case. He's the best free agent pitcher available at this point. The only guy with a real track record of being an ace.
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2015 10:27:47 GMT -5
ODay back to BAL 4/31
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2015 10:31:30 GMT -5
Cueto is going to be a problem for whoever signs him. Greinke and Price got so much money that it'll inflate his price, then you compound it with his already beginning decline, elbow vulnerability, and the fact that he's never even had a 5 WAR season which limits the potential surplus value he gives you in his best year, it spells trouble.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 6, 2015 12:00:50 GMT -5
Cueto is going to be a problem for whoever signs him. Greinke and Price got so much money that it'll inflate his price, then you compound it with his already beginning decline, elbow vulnerability, and the fact that he's never even had a 5 WAR season which limits the potential surplus value he gives you in his best year, it spells trouble. Speier's most recent (and fantastic) article on Price drops the nugget that Red Sox officials met with Zimm, Price, and Greinke.
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Post by nomar on Dec 6, 2015 13:58:14 GMT -5
Cueto is going to be a problem for whoever signs him. Greinke and Price got so much money that it'll inflate his price, then you compound it with his already beginning decline, elbow vulnerability, and the fact that he's never even had a 5 WAR season which limits the potential surplus value he gives you in his best year, it spells trouble. Speier's most recent (and fantastic) article on Price drops the nugget that Red Sox officials met with Zimm, Price, and Greinke. Saw that. After the quote someone in the Sox org said about how ridiculous giving Cueto big money is, not surprised we weren't after him.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 6, 2015 20:01:26 GMT -5
“@jcrasnick: #Reds are ”open for business“ on everyone at winter meetings, source says. Todd Frazier included.”
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