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2015 Post-Draft Discussion Thread
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 19, 2015 12:36:48 GMT -5
I don't know if they still do it, but a few years ago, when the deadline for signing was much later, the Sox basically would allocate a certain amount of money to spend on their later round picks - not enough to sign everyone. They then would tell draftees that once the money was gone there would be no more deals. So if a kid held out for more money than offered there was a chance the entire offer would be withdrawn. With a much shorter signing period, they probably don't need to do this now. Got a link for this? I don't recall ever hearing that they did that and would have a hard time believing it to be true, at least under this regime. Brandon Kline/Madison Younginer is the example I remember Chris. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2015 13:31:49 GMT -5
Well, other than what, in a sense, would be normal negotiating, that still seems a bit strange to me pre-draft cap. I can't see a kid coming to them near the end of the process and saying "fine, I'll sign for what you offered" and the team responding "Nope! Too late! No soup contract for you!" That said, this ( bit.ly/1Swnwio ) seems to back up that theory somewhat and that it almost bit them in the ass. |
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Post by danr on Jun 19, 2015 14:12:38 GMT -5
I have a good memory, but not a photographic one. So while I can remember huge amounts of information I often have a poor memory for the sources. I just recall from several years ago, before the current draft structure, when this technique supposedly was employed. Almost surely I had to have read about on this site since I learn more here about the Sox than everywhere else combined.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 19, 2015 14:13:41 GMT -5
Think you are saying a larger sized contract and not just any 200k (throwing that out there) that they could have signed people to pre 2012, correct? Golson negotiations went down to close to the end, before they decided to allocate the funds to betts if recall correctly and looked up Younginer (since been 6y) to make sure.. mid August sign. The negotiations went on with Kline for awhile. The old forums am pretty sure had info regarding him, or stories at least (Kline) and some of what was leaked out, or I thought it did.
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Post by danr on Jun 19, 2015 14:19:23 GMT -5
Golson made the right choice, and the Sox were very lucky. He only played one year of baseball for Ole Miss, hitting .204, but he was an All-American football player and now is a cornerback for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 19, 2015 15:45:10 GMT -5
Well, other than what, in a sense, would be normal negotiating, that still seems a bit strange to me pre-draft cap. I can't see a kid coming to them near the end of the process and saying "fine, I'll sign for what you offered" and the team responding "Nope! Too late! No soup contract for you!" That said, this ( bit.ly/1Swnwio ) seems to back up that theory somewhat and that it almost bit them in the ass. More or less strange than them waiting til the last second to even make an offer like they used to do? |
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 19, 2015 15:48:30 GMT -5
Golson made the right choice, and the Sox were very lucky. He only played one year of baseball for Ole Miss, hitting .204, but he was an All-American football player and now is a cornerback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And If I remember correctly the million we supposedly offered him was partially sent to Mookie. I also remember most on this board being disappointed that we didn't sign Golson and almost everybody was indifferent on the Betts signing. |
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Post by The Duck on Jun 19, 2015 17:24:15 GMT -5
Well, other than what, in a sense, would be normal negotiating, that still seems a bit strange to me pre-draft cap. I can't see a kid coming to them near the end of the process and saying "fine, I'll sign for what you offered" and the team responding "Nope! Too late! No soup contract for you!" That said, this ( bit.ly/1Swnwio ) seems to back up that theory somewhat and that it almost bit them in the ass. Great article from that same time period that covers the Mookie / Golson deal, as well as Owens, Swihart, Barnes, and JBJ. |
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Post by mgoetze on Jun 19, 2015 18:02:01 GMT -5
Golson made the right choice, and the Sox were very lucky. He only played one year of baseball for Ole Miss, hitting .204, but he was an All-American football player and now is a cornerback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He only made the right choice if he wouldn't have made it to the pros. Being an MLB bench player is a better career than being an NFL starter. Impossible to know, of course. |
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Post by danr on Jun 19, 2015 18:08:39 GMT -5
Golson made the right choice, and the Sox were very lucky. He only played one year of baseball for Ole Miss, hitting .204, but he was an All-American football player and now is a cornerback for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He only made the right choice if he wouldn't have made it to the pros. Being an MLB bench player is a better career than being an NFL starter. Impossible to know, of course. Well, you are right about that. I'd much rather sit on the bench of a major league baseball team than have my body bashed by 300-pounders. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jun 19, 2015 18:37:27 GMT -5
Well, other than what, in a sense, would be normal negotiating, that still seems a bit strange to me pre-draft cap. I can't see a kid coming to them near the end of the process and saying "fine, I'll sign for what you offered" and the team responding "Nope! Too late! No soup contract for you!" That said, this ( bit.ly/1Swnwio ) seems to back up that theory somewhat and that it almost bit them in the ass. Great article from that same time period that covers the Mookie / Golson deal, as well as Owens, Swihart, Barnes, and JBJ. I remember this article and it is one of my favorites. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2015 19:16:51 GMT -5
I remember this article and it is one of my favorites. I was looking for this article earlier. Thanks. |
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Post by kman22 on Jun 19, 2015 20:37:51 GMT -5
He only made the right choice if he wouldn't have made it to the pros. Being an MLB bench player is a better career than being an NFL starter. Impossible to know, of course. Well, you are right about that. I'd much rather sit on the bench of a major league baseball team than have my body bashed by 300-pounders. Also, guaranteed contracts and (typically) better money. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 20, 2015 9:32:12 GMT -5
Well, you are right about that. I'd much rather sit on the bench of a major league baseball team than have my body bashed by 300-pounders. Also, guaranteed contracts and (typically) better money. Hard to believe someone like Rick Porcello makes Tom Brady money. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 20, 2015 10:00:34 GMT -5
And miguel cabrera and A Rod'd contracts dwarf the biggest NFL contracts pretty easily.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 20, 2015 10:23:44 GMT -5
I don't understand why Ben was in a big rush to give this kid an extension. I don't know why they had to buy out Miley's years out. It's not much but it adds up. I listen to people like Merloni and Kelly hasn't got the feel for pitching as a starter. Which takes me to I would like to see Johnson get a call up and piggy back with E-Rod also with Buch now you might have something going here. It's too early to give up.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 20, 2015 11:12:17 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo
Red Sox have signed all but one of their draft picks in the first ten rounds with 3d round U. Wash C Ustin Rei signed Friday. 6th round RHP
All picks in the top 10 minus Travis Lakins already signed.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 20, 2015 13:10:16 GMT -5
I hope this kid plays ball , I don't want to bully him on Social media. Lol.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 20, 2015 14:19:11 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo Red Sox have signed all but one of their draft picks in the first ten rounds with 3d round U. Wash C Ustin Rei signed Friday. 6th round RHP. All picks in the top 10 minus Travis Lakins already signed. Gammons is a legend, but honestly, this seems like bad reporting. He has never reported that Benitendi is signed, nor has anyone else that I know of. Also, although they seemingly are signed at this point, Matheny, Rusconi, and Allen have not been reported as official. If he in fact knows that Benintendi signed, great, but is he trying to break the news as an unspoken implied footnote to a tweet about Austin Rei? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 20, 2015 14:22:13 GMT -5
Maybe he is snaking his way inside of the Cherrington FO Mike? Kidding :-)
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Post by rpiguy on Jun 21, 2015 1:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 21, 2015 15:23:19 GMT -5
Peter Gammons @pgammo Red Sox have signed all but one of their draft picks in the first ten rounds with 3d round U. Wash C Ustin Rei signed Friday. 6th round RHP. All picks in the top 10 minus Travis Lakins already signed. Gammons is a legend, but honestly, this seems like bad reporting. He has never reported that Benitendi is signed, nor has anyone else that I know of. Also, although they seemingly are signed at this point, Matheny, Rusconi, and Allen have not been reported as official. If he in fact knows that Benintendi signed, great, but is he trying to break the news as an unspoken implied footnote to a tweet about Austin Rei? Sox usually announce signings at once? |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 21, 2015 20:16:44 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier Sox announce the signings of 4th rounder OF Tate Matheny, 5th round 2B/CF Jagger Rusconi, 8th rd LHP Logan Allen, 31st rd RHP Nick Duron. Jim Callis @jimcallismlb 5th-rder Jagger Rusconi signs w/ redsox for $384k (full slot). Calif HS OF, intriguing combo of power potential & speed. @mlbdraft |
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jun 22, 2015 8:45:41 GMT -5
Gammons is a legend, but honestly, this seems like bad reporting. He has never reported that Benitendi is signed, nor has anyone else that I know of. Also, although they seemingly are signed at this point, Matheny, Rusconi, and Allen have not been reported as official. If he in fact knows that Benintendi signed, great, but is he trying to break the news as an unspoken implied footnote to a tweet about Austin Rei? Sox usually announce signings at once? My larger point is that Gammons certainly feels comfortable reporting that Rei signed before the Red Sox announced it. Why would he not feel just as comfortable reporting on Benintendi before it was official, if he in fact was signed? |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 22, 2015 9:15:26 GMT -5
Matheny gets slot according to Callis.
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