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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 15:56:07 GMT -5
How hard is Allen supposed to be to sign?
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 15:58:02 GMT -5
How hard is Allen supposed to be to sign? Wouldn't be to much of a challenge I would think
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Post by mjammz on Jun 9, 2015 15:58:23 GMT -5
How hard is Allen supposed to be to sign? I doubt he's that hard if the Red Sox, who have been heavily involved with him, take him in the 8th Round. If they were concerned they would have waited until after the 10th or taken him higher.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jun 9, 2015 15:58:41 GMT -5
I'm kind of surprised how some are reacting negatively because of present needs. it's crazy to believe anyone we draft would be player ready now. Even two years is a reach. What our needs are today with the major-league club are meaningless. Now if you are doing about the farm system's needs I could kind of understand. It's absolutely insane to think we should draft by positional need. Mind blowing that some people are so oblivious.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2015 15:59:50 GMT -5
Yeah, but I wouldn't call the 8th round a favorable spot. He's probably going to need an overslot bonus. The question is how much. I don't think it'll reach near Buttrey levels - the math just wouldn't work - but could be a decent amount more than Steen got.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 9, 2015 15:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 16:01:03 GMT -5
Yeah, but I wouldn't call the 8th round a favorable spot. He's probably going to need an overslot bonus. The question is how much. I don't think it'll reach near Buttrey levels - the math just wouldn't work - but could be a decent amount more than Steen got. Yeah, around 500K I guess
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Post by charliezink16 on Jun 9, 2015 16:01:21 GMT -5
Logan Allen aka young Lester. I remember seeing a similar post immediately following the Cody Kukuk selection. Let's, uhh, hope Allen doesn't go down that path.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 16:03:28 GMT -5
Yeah, but I wouldn't call the 8th round a favorable spot. He's probably going to need an overslot bonus. The question is how much. I don't think it'll reach near Buttrey levels - the math just wouldn't work - but could be a decent amount more than Steen got. That's why I was asking. PG had him ranked 69th, this is long past where it was a favorable spot. But I imagine the Red Sox have to know what it'll take.
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Post by Jim Crowell on Jun 9, 2015 16:05:28 GMT -5
The Allen pick leads me to believe that there will be a little more savings on the Benintendi pick than I thought. Don't see how they would be able to sign him otherwise.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 9, 2015 16:05:47 GMT -5
Not signing Allen wouldn't be a huge blow in the 8th round, but you'd think it's some kind of indication that the Sox are confident that they can taking him there. Also they may not have wanted him to get past round 10 and slip to someone else. I was starting to think I was going to have to wait until tomorrow to get another guy to be excited about.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 16:06:23 GMT -5
Yeah, but I wouldn't call the 8th round a favorable spot. He's probably going to need an overslot bonus. The question is how much. I don't think it'll reach near Buttrey levels - the math just wouldn't work - but could be a decent amount more than Steen got. That's why I was asking. PG had him ranked 69th, this is long past where it was a favorable spot. But I imagine the Red Sox have to know what it'll take. PG had him at 117 according to the Draft History page here on Soxprospects
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 16:08:58 GMT -5
That's why I was asking. PG had him ranked 69th, this is long past where it was a favorable spot. But I imagine the Red Sox have to know what it'll take. PG had him at 117 according to the Draft History page here on Soxprospects I went by thisI'm guessing between $500k-$1m. Slot is $175,100.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 9, 2015 16:10:35 GMT -5
PG had him at 117 according to the Draft History page here on Soxprospects I went by thisI'm guessing between $500k-$1m It says that list is only high school prospects, thus it makes sense he ranks lower on a combined list.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 9, 2015 16:11:50 GMT -5
Doh! So around $500k.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 9, 2015 16:12:27 GMT -5
That is super bizarre, and pretty irresponsible if true. You only have to look at Johnny Football to see what a name can do to an ego (and yes, I understand that a lot of that would've happened anyway).
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Post by ramireja on Jun 9, 2015 16:12:52 GMT -5
The Allen pick leads me to believe that there will be a little more savings on the Benintendi pick than I thought. Don't see how they would be able to sign him otherwise. It really just depends on how much it will cost. If its closer to 1 mill, then we might need Benintendi savings. If its more like 500k, which I would guess, then we can put that together pretty much from the 5% overage alone. We should also get some savings from Taylor.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2015 16:13:33 GMT -5
Yeah there's no way the math even works to get him more than like 600 or 700k unless they're picking seniors at 9 and 10.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 9, 2015 16:14:54 GMT -5
The Allen pick leads me to believe that there will be a little more savings on the Benintendi pick than I thought. Don't see how they would be able to sign him otherwise. It really just depends on how much it will cost. If its closer to 1 mill, then we might need Benintendi savings. If its more like 500k, which I would guess, then we can put that together pretty much from the 5% overage alone. We should also get some savings from Taylor. Forgot about the overage, but that's only about $300k this year. See the bottom: www.soxprospects.com/dh.htm
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2015 16:17:38 GMT -5
Orioles just drafted Seamus Curran from Agawam, Mass.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 9, 2015 16:18:29 GMT -5
That is super bizarre, and pretty irresponsible if true. You only have to look at Johnny Football to see what a name can do to an ego (and yes, I understand that a lot of that would've happened anyway). Whether it's irresponsible or not depends on the makeup of the player. Some players would take it as a challenge and a compliment without getting all puffed up about it; others would turn into a helium prospect -- in the head. Hopefully the Sox have made an accurate personality judgment here.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 9, 2015 16:18:34 GMT -5
It really just depends on how much it will cost. If its closer to 1 mill, then we might need Benintendi savings. If its more like 500k, which I would guess, then we can put that together pretty much from the 5% overage alone. We should also get some savings from Taylor. Forgot about the overage, but that's only about $300k this year. See the bottom: www.soxprospects.com/dh.htmYeah I meant 300k (overage) + 175k (8th round slot) = 475k and I rounded up to 500k
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 9, 2015 16:20:09 GMT -5
The Allen pick leads me to believe that there will be a little more savings on the Benintendi pick than I thought. Don't see how they would be able to sign him otherwise. Slot is $175k, saved $205k from the Taylor pick, can get the rest out of the 5% overage amount (approx $330k). Don't see it as an issue, and I don't believe there will be much, if any, slot savings from Benintendi. Rei, Matheny and Lakins should also be around slot. There could be some savings from Rusconi. Round 9 is underway.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Jun 9, 2015 16:21:26 GMT -5
We have about 300 K in overage funds, should save at least 100K from Taylor, if Benintendi signs for around 200-300K below slot then that's around 750-850K we could sign Allen. Call it between 600K-800K. Of course we could get more or less of a discount from Benintendi and for all we know we could save a 100K from Matheny.
Maybe you guys think it takes more, but the Sox haven't failed to sign a guy in the bonus slot range above 100K yet, and I'm sure they took him there because they knew how much it would take. Maybe the kid wants to go pro, and they've built up a good rapport with him, so I'm sure they are confident they have the funds to sign him.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 9, 2015 16:21:46 GMT -5
Yeah there's no way the math even works to get him more than like 600 or 700k unless they're picking seniors at 9 and 10. Just asking.. Is Matheny really close to the 512k slot, or can the team sign him for more like 300-350k with a reasonable chance?
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