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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2015 6:34:23 GMT -5
Hank Owens with 6K/1BB, gave up 3 runs on 5 hits in 6.2, throwing 100+ pitches. OK outing. All I care about are the walks and strikeouts right now. I wonder if part of his slow start this year has had anything to do with all the muscle he added last winter. Probably has to figure his body out all over again.
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Post by templeusox on Jun 26, 2015 7:03:08 GMT -5
Hank Owens with 6K/1BB, gave up 3 runs on 5 hits in 6.2, throwing 100+ pitches. OK outing. All I care about are the walks and strikeouts right now. I wonder if part of his slow start this year has had anything to do with all the muscle he added last winter. Probably has to figure his body out all over again. Tall lefties always take a long time to bring down their walk rate. Even Cliff Lee was wild at a young age. There's nothing to be worried about.
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Post by nomar on Jun 26, 2015 7:32:08 GMT -5
All I care about are the walks and strikeouts right now. I wonder if part of his slow start this year has had anything to do with all the muscle he added last winter. Probably has to figure his body out all over again. Tall lefties always take a long time to bring down their walk rate. Even Cliff Lee was wild at a young age. There's nothing to be worried about. If they all fixed their command like Cliff Lee baseball would be a boring game though. Hopefully Owens can.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 26, 2015 8:35:11 GMT -5
Hank Owens with 6K/1BB, gave up 3 runs on 5 hits in 6.2, throwing 100+ pitches. OK outing. All I care about are the walks and strikeouts right now. I wonder if part of his slow start this year has had anything to do with all the muscle he added last winter. Probably has to figure his body out all over again. Yeah, that's why I put the K/BB first ... it's the most important thing to me. 100+ in almost seven innings isn't efficient, but it isn't bad. I'm pretty encouraged by his year. He's still trying to lock down his mechanics, and he's developing the pitches he has the most trouble with. Even with that, he's more than held his own at AAA. I think that's successful.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 26, 2015 8:46:34 GMT -5
Hank Owens with 6K/1BB, gave up 3 runs on 5 hits in 6.2, throwing 100+ pitches. OK outing. All I care about are the walks and strikeouts right now. I wonder if part of his slow start this year has had anything to do with all the muscle he added last winter. Probably has to figure his body out all over again. It was all about how they were limiting how many changeups he could throw to force him to work on his other pitches. With Owens, more than probably any other player in the high minors right now, I'm much more interested in the scouting report than with the stat line.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2015 9:03:39 GMT -5
I don't think there's any coincidence that the K/BB ratio has sprung back right in lockstep with reincorporating his changeup. His warts are still his warts, but to me his ceiling is still much higher than Johnson's because he's at least got that out pitch.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 26, 2015 9:15:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it doesn't really seem like he learned/improved all that much on his non-change-up pitches despite the focus on them. Makes you wonder if he's more or less a finished product at this point and if there's much upside left. May just be, how well do the deception and the changeup play at the MLB level. Worst case, he's probably a pretty effective LH reliever with limited if any split issues.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2015 10:17:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it doesn't really seem like he learned/improved all that much on his non-change-up pitches despite the focus on them. Makes you wonder if he's more or less a finished product at this point and if there's much upside left. May just be, how well do the deception and the changeup play at the MLB level. Worst case, he's probably a pretty effective LH reliever with limited if any split issues. Based on what? The fact that the numbers weren't great? If that's what you mean, I'd suggest that if you take any pitcher's best pitch away from them who isn't an elite-level pitcher, they're going to be worse.
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Post by ethanbein on Jun 26, 2015 10:18:14 GMT -5
Question for people who have seen Owens: what do you think he would be in the majors today? Would the change make him at least a fifth starter, or would he just get shelled in the big leagues?
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 26, 2015 10:27:57 GMT -5
Question for people who have seen Owens: what do you think he would be in the majors today? Would the change make him at least a fifth starter, or would he just get shelled in the big leagues? A really inconsistent 4/5 type. He'd have games where he'd be truly excellent, and games where he leaves his fastball up and his curve is loopy and he'd get absolutely crushed. Fortunately there are enough players who are ahead of him that there's no reason to rush the process.
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Post by jchang on Jun 26, 2015 11:38:35 GMT -5
Last year, Owens had somewhat even stats against R and L hitters. This year he has reverted to being extremely good against R, and poor against L, similar to his 2013 and 2012 seasons. This might be because he is working on a new pitch? In the minor leagues, he has faced an approx 3:1 ratio between R and L hitters. I am thinking that at the MLB level he will face 2:1 R:L, i.e., each team he faces will put in all their Lefties. So I am inclined to believe that Owens will not have good success at the MLB level until he has a better mix against lefties.
edit: supposing that a team has 8 RHH, and 5 LHH, it could put 4R+5L against a RHP with normal splits and 8R+1L against a lefty. So Owens with a reverse split could face and majority of LHH.
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Post by okin15 on Jun 26, 2015 11:49:21 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it doesn't really seem like he learned/improved all that much on his non-change-up pitches despite the focus on them. Makes you wonder if he's more or less a finished product at this point and if there's much upside left. May just be, how well do the deception and the changeup play at the MLB level. Worst case, he's probably a pretty effective LH reliever with limited if any split issues. Based on what? The fact that the numbers weren't great? If that's what you mean, I'd suggest that if you take any pitcher's best pitch away from them who isn't an elite-level pitcher, they're going to be worse. Yeah, but you'd have liked to see more improvement against non-MLB hitters if he's going to be successful in the bigs. Before they did that, his projection was what James D says, and afterwards, basically the same. Assuming the goal of taking away the change was to refine and improve the other pitches, I'm not sure he got what he wanted out of the exercise. I mean, maybe he made small strides, or maybe he made bigger ones and they weren't visible in the results, or maybe his change is so good that it'll be just devastating at the MLB level but IMO , the questions about his fastball remain, as do those regarding the rest of his arsenal despite the focus on them.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 26, 2015 11:49:28 GMT -5
Last year, Owens had somewhat even stats against R and L hitters. This year he has reverted to being extremely good against R, and poor against L, similar to his 2013 and 2012 seasons. This might be because he is working on a new pitch? In the minor leagues, he has faced an approx 3:1 ratio between R and L hitters. I am thinking that at the MLB level he will face 2:1 R:L, i.e., each team he faces will put in all their Lefties. So I am inclined to believe that Owens will not have good success at the MLB level until he has a better mix against lefties. Very few managers will do that.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 26, 2015 12:43:21 GMT -5
Question for people who have seen Owens: what do you think he would be in the majors today? Would the change make him at least a fifth starter, or would he just get shelled in the big leagues? A really inconsistent 4/5 type. He'd have games where he'd be truly excellent, and games where he leaves his fastball up and his curve is loopy and he'd get absolutely crushed. Fortunately there are enough players who are ahead of him that there's no reason to rush the process. So, pretty much like everyone on the Sox starting staff not named "Clay Buchholz" right now?
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Post by jchang on Jun 26, 2015 12:47:16 GMT -5
Jon Lester (L with normal split) has faced 2895 R, and 906 L in his career Clay Buchholz (R with normal split) has faced 1211 R and 1434 L career, draw whatever conclusion you would like on how managers play the L/R splits
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 26, 2015 14:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 26, 2015 14:47:59 GMT -5
Damn, another kid in the DSL throwing 92-95 already? This indeed a good problem to have.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 26, 2015 23:40:54 GMT -5
#TeamEddieRomero
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 27, 2015 0:16:54 GMT -5
Saw Owens pitch earlier this year, and didn't get around to posting about it. It was an outing where he threw only a few changeups, but it is a serious out pitch. The curveball was looooong and even I could see it out of the hand. Not sure how many sliders he threw (if any) but it seemed to me that he needed one more pitch that he has confidence in to truly be able to put it in cruise control. A solid cutter might even lead him to more success. Just my amateur scouting eye. I really love these threads and comments, makes me asmarter fan.
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