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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2015 17:37:49 GMT -5
Wow, huge jump for Sam Travis from 18 to 10. I like him a lot.
I think the runaway winner for rank climber for the season will be Marco Hernandez from NR at the beginning of the year up to 18.
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Post by joshmoody23 on Jul 31, 2015 17:57:25 GMT -5
I like most of the new rankings. I think a lot of our future is in the lower minor leagues and I'm very excited about it, as we all are. However, I disagree with Garin Cecchini being dropped all the way to 27. I also don't think Travis Shaw should be ranked as high as number 14. I see more value in Cecchini than Shaw. I think Cecchini should be given an opportunity when Napoli/De Aza are moved.
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Post by thegoo13 on Jul 31, 2015 18:06:58 GMT -5
Like Devers as #1. Think Johnson should be 10 though and for sure not ahead of Owens.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2015 18:17:47 GMT -5
I like most of the new rankings. I think a lot of our future is in the lower minor leagues and I'm very excited about it, as we all are. However, I disagree with Garin Cecchini being dropped all the way to 27. I also don't think Travis Shaw should be ranked as high as number 14. I see more value in Cecchini than Shaw. I think Cecchini should be given an opportunity when Napoli/De Aza are moved. I think the jump for Shaw is based on him playing decent at 3B whereas before he was ranked with the understanding he was only a 1B. Can someone on the staff weigh in on that? Cecchini has been a complete train wreck since he made AAA, though he's slightly warming up now. His K-rate has climbed so much that his hit tool which was his main strong attribute has to be pretty severely questioned. The power still hasn't come at all. Although Shaw isn't that special, he has hit better than Cecchini for 2 seasons now. |
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Post by arzjake on Jul 31, 2015 19:01:39 GMT -5
I wish Shaw would get a shot in boston last few months. With that said, age 25, I don't see him as top 15 prospect in this organization. The ship has sailed in that regard..
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Post by dd on Jul 31, 2015 21:16:32 GMT -5
DetailsSummary:- Rafael Devers is the new # 1, up from # 3 last month. He jumped over Yoan Moncada who stayed at # 2. rafael's grade is now 7,3-7, all three numbers up by 1 from last month.
- Javier Guerra moved up from 9 to 6.
- Anderson Espinoza jumped up another 4 spots and is now 7th.
- Sam Travis is up from 15 to 10.
- Wendell Rijo up from 20 to 16.
- As mentioned earlier by jimed, the big winner this month was Marco Hernandez. At 18 this month, last month he was 42nd, unranked at the end of May, and never previously ranked higher than 57.
- Ty Buttrey fell from 17 to 21.
- Yoan Abar up from 28 to 22.
- Jerez Williams up from 30 to 23.
- Austin Rei went from 21 to 26.
- Garin Cecchini from 23 to 27.
- Logan Allen moved up from 35 to 28.
- Another big riser this month is Luis Alexander Basabe who rose 21 spots from 51 to 30.
- Sean Coyle fell 8 positions to # 37.
- Tate Matheny also down, from 32 to 38.
- Ben Taylor made the rankings for the first time at # 45.
- Ditto Marc Brakeman at 46.
- Also Travis Lakins at 48.
- Chandler Shepherd frose from 57 to 49.
- Kevin Steen ranked for the first time at 54.
- Tzu-Wei Lin is back in the top 60 for the first time since July 4th 2014 when he was 59th. He's 55 now. In September of 2012 he was as high as 22.
Falling off the list:
- Eddy Rodriguez from # 1 (graduated).
- Luis Diaz from # 48.
- Jacob Dahlstrand from # 56.
- Michael Miller from # 58.
- Zeke Spruill from # 59.
Edit spelling, off-list list, and ETA's are now in the detail spreadsheet.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 31, 2015 23:06:10 GMT -5
Believe that you have Rei backwards.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 31, 2015 23:08:31 GMT -5
I like most of the new rankings. I think a lot of our future is in the lower minor leagues and I'm very excited about it, as we all are. However, I disagree with Garin Cecchini being dropped all the way to 27. I also don't think Travis Shaw should be ranked as high as number 14. I see more value in Cecchini than Shaw. I think Cecchini should be given an opportunity when Napoli/De Aza are moved. I think the jump for Shaw is based on him playing decent at 3B whereas before he was ranked with the understanding he was only a 1B. Can someone on the staff weigh in on that? Cecchini has been a complete train wreck since he made AAA, though he's slightly warming up now. His K-rate has climbed so much that his hit tool which was his main strong attribute has to be pretty severely questioned. The power still hasn't come at all. Although Shaw isn't that special, he has hit better than Cecchini for 2 seasons now. As we discussed on the podcast previously, he indeed jumped when it became clear that he could play an average 3B. Puts a lot less pressure on the bat. As for the comments on Cecchini, yeah, he's a guy whose hit tool is supposed to be his carrying tool, and he hasn't hit in nearly two years now. At some point, it stops being a slump. Shaw is very clearly ahead of him on the depth chart for covering the same positions of 1B and 3B. |
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Post by cheers on Jul 31, 2015 23:44:14 GMT -5
Disclaimer: I've never laid my eyes on any of them, and am completely shooting in the dark here...
Being as this is clearly a statistically driven bunch, how is Javier Guerra not the #1 or #2 prospect? The sample size isn't little (~300AB, which tends to lead to promotion-land), and he is doing it from a defensively valued position.
Is what the Sox are paying Moncada weighing into it? If so, I'd reference Sandoval and Ramirez as a disqualifying argument.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 1, 2015 6:50:03 GMT -5
Trey Ball has no buisness being in the top 20 (The guy has the highest FIP in the Carolina League) and ahead of Stank.
*Happy to see Lin back in the Top 60.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 1, 2015 6:54:35 GMT -5
Trey Ball has no buisness being in the top 20 (The guy has the highest FIP in the Carolina League) and ahead of Stank. *Happy to see Lin back in the Top 60. And as I'm sure you realize, stats in A ball are useless unless supplemented with scouting and there have been a number of reports this year projecting Ball to develop into a backend starter... Which is certainly a top 20 prospect. |
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 1, 2015 7:42:37 GMT -5
Trey Ball has no buisness being in the top 20 (The guy has the highest FIP in the Carolina League) and ahead of Stank. *Happy to see Lin back in the Top 60. And as I'm sure you realize, stats in A ball are useless unless supplemented with scouting and there have been a number of reports this year projecting Ball to develop into a backend starter... Which is certainly a top 20 prospect. He's in Salem, not the DSL - stats absolutely do mean something. Two months ago you had a more reasonable argument, but he's been even worse since then. The only thing that's gotten better since last year is his BABIP, yet it's regularly mentioned on the podcast that he's improved since last year. I just don't think it's reasonable to project anyone who is striking nobody out and walking almost as many in High A to be a major league pitcher. Also, it's not like his stuff is particularly good. He throws low 90s with good plane, has a secondary that flashes above average, but with poor command? That equals major league pitcher? I just don't see it. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 1, 2015 8:00:07 GMT -5
And as I'm sure you realize, stats in A ball are useless unless supplemented with scouting and there have been a number of reports this year projecting Ball to develop into a backend starter... Which is certainly a top 20 prospect. He's in Salem, not the DSL - stats absolutely do mean something. Two months ago you had a more reasonable argument, but he's been even worse since then. The only thing that's gotten better since last year is his BABIP, yet it's regularly mentioned on the podcast that he's improved since last year. I just don't think it's reasonable to project anyone who is striking nobody out and walking almost as many in High A to be a major league pitcher. Also, it's not like his stuff is particularly good. He throws low 90s with good plane, has a secondary that flashes above average, but with poor command? That equals major league pitcher? I just don't see it. Of course they do. I didn't say otherwise. I said they need to be supplemented with scouting . And that is more true as you get lower in the system. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Aug 1, 2015 8:25:16 GMT -5
Also, I'm pretty down on Ball. I would certainly take Chavis over him. I just think there is a lot of mediocrity after Chavis and would still take Ball over guys like Light, Hernandez, Shaw, Rijo, and Stank.
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Post by telluricrook on Aug 1, 2015 11:53:59 GMT -5
Anyway other than that outfielder selected one pick after him there are no other players in that top end of the draft that are looking more promising than Ball.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 1, 2015 12:13:41 GMT -5
Anyway other than that outfielder selected one pick after him there are no other players in that top end of the draft that are looking more promising than Ball. You're refering to Austin Meadows but "sadley" there's others. On the top of my head: JP Crawford and Hunter Harvey and I'm sure there's others. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 1, 2015 12:37:08 GMT -5
Without intending to offend anyone, I find it odd that some prospects have always had a hard time falling on the charts. Oscar Tejada remained high for a long time after his star had fallen, Stolmy Pimental, Kerry D La Cruz. Now It's Deven Marrero that stubbornly holds onto a top spot in the rankings, finally dropping out of the top 10, only because Rodriquez graduated from the list perhaps?
Also nice to see both Longhi break into the top 20 and Tzu-Wei Lin back into the top 60.
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Post by jmei on Aug 1, 2015 12:52:19 GMT -5
Eh, plus defensive shortstops are locks to be multiple-year major leaguers.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 1, 2015 13:26:20 GMT -5
Eh, plus defensive shortstops are locks to be multiple-year major leaguers. Marrero having the solid glove was the reason was thinking figured he was sticking around so long JMEI, Thx. |
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Post by jchang on Aug 1, 2015 16:08:22 GMT -5
Shaw disagrees about being overrated
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Post by congusgambler33 on Aug 3, 2015 16:55:20 GMT -5
that Gold Glove shortstop Marrero has committed 16 errors. They sure need that in the majors.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2015 17:04:47 GMT -5
that Gold Glove shortstop Marrero has committed 16 errors. They sure need that in the majors. There were some reports he was a little sloppy earlier in the year which certainly attribute to part of that, but of course, guys with plus range like Marrero also get to more balls that they can make errors on. For example, check out Iglesias' error totals in the minors: www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=iglesi001jos#standard_fielding::noneThis is why pretty much nobody uses error totals or fielding percentage anymore. They can be extremely misleading. |
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Post by rafael on Aug 4, 2015 19:36:08 GMT -5
Why is Marco Hernandez ranked this low? He is having a very good season offensively while playing plus defense at SS and he is 22 years old. That sounds like top 10 stuff. Is there something that make you guys feel that his offensive season is a fluke or any question marks about his defense?
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Post by jmei on Aug 4, 2015 19:54:40 GMT -5
Don't want to speak for the staff, but we're talking about a player who hit .261/.298/.353 (83 wRC+) between 2012-2014 over 1331 PAs. Yes, he's having a nice offensive year in 2015 (.315/.337/.474, 132 wRC+), but that's mostly based off a .376 BABIP that seems unsustainable (prior to 2015, he had a .316 career BABIP), and his plate discipline is still pretty bad (he has 11 walks and 69 strikeouts this year). My understanding is that he's also more of a solid defender than a plus one at SS, though he projects to stick at the position. I'm generally of the opinion that his 2015 is mostly a fluke, and I honestly think he's ranked too high. I'd have him ranked around where Asuaje is (24ish).
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Post by rafael on Aug 4, 2015 20:30:47 GMT -5
Don't want to speak for the staff, but we're talking about a player who hit .261/.298/.353 (83 wRC+) between 2012-2014 over 1331 PAs. Yes, he's having a nice offensive year in 2015 (.315/.337/.474, 132 wRC+), but that's mostly based off a .376 BABIP that seems unsustainable (prior to 2015, he had a .316 career BABIP), and his plate discipline is still pretty bad (he has 11 walks and 69 strikeouts this year). My understanding is that he's also more of a solid defender than a plus one at SS, though he projects to stick at the position. I'm generally of the opinion that his 2015 is mostly a fluke, and I honestly think he's ranked too high. I'd have him ranked around where Asuaje is (24ish). Thank you jmei, that explains a lot. |
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