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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 11, 2015 9:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 11, 2015 10:13:06 GMT -5
Gerson Bautista pitching today. I wonder if Pennington got skipped (coming back from TJ) or just threw a side session instead.
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Post by beantown on Aug 11, 2015 11:12:21 GMT -5
Benny just went yard for #6
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 11, 2015 11:56:01 GMT -5
Gerson Bautista pitching today. I wonder if Pennington got skipped (coming back from TJ) or just threw a side session instead. He was on a pitch count am thinking when we went down there late last month according to some statements over heard him saying, then in another start he made he went more innings (3) where he probably had to throw over 45 pitches, which was his pitch count that he had over heard him say back then. Maybe they are just giving him a rest day from his rehab starts? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2015 12:38:27 GMT -5
Gerson Bautista pitching today. I wonder if Pennington got skipped (coming back from TJ) or just threw a side session instead. Coming out of the slew of rainouts and doubleheaders, the GCL rotation is even more chaotic than usual. Wouldn't surprise me if he started piggybacking or something. Looks like Caceres is piggybacking Bautista today rather than Espinoza as he had the last few outings (unless they're changing his role). We should get a better feel for the rotation if things settle down with the rain. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 11, 2015 13:32:27 GMT -5
Benny just went yard for #6 ....and another one in the 9th. |
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Post by wskeleton76 on Aug 11, 2015 13:37:41 GMT -5
He is ready for Greenville.
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 11, 2015 15:34:53 GMT -5
Line in Lowell after today (maybe off by a point or two): .279/.403/.548, 10.8 K%, 16.9 BB%, .269 ISO. 2nd highest OPS in the Penn League.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 15:42:51 GMT -5
He is ready for Greenville. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 11, 2015 15:44:02 GMT -5
11 XBH to 14 strikeouts.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 11, 2015 17:11:16 GMT -5
If Benintendi qualified in the NYPL, and it needs to be stressed that he doesn't, he would be 2nd in the league in OPS.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 11, 2015 19:28:44 GMT -5
Guerra with his 15th
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Post by seanleary001 on Aug 11, 2015 19:55:03 GMT -5
Moncada was scratched from the Drive lineup today. Does anybody here know why?
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Post by radiohix on Aug 11, 2015 21:14:16 GMT -5
Second BasemanGuerra with his 15th Chavis was playing Shortstop heh |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 11, 2015 21:16:15 GMT -5
Now before anyone gets on my case, I realize that the purpose of the farm system is to develop players for the big club, and it isn't all that important what team records are (though organizational folks will say that it's nice to develop winning tendencies and experience playoff baseball in the minors in preparation for hoped-for team success in the big leagues).
Having said that, it feels a bit incongruous that the Sox's #1 ranked farm system is completely collapsing at this point at the full-season levels. Again, I realize that Pawtucket has been eviscerated, but still, they, Portland, and Salem are really in the dumps and Greenville is basically hanging on to OK status. Are the up-and-comers maybe not all they are cracked up to be, especially in comparison with those of other franchises? Or are the complementary/org pieces for these clubs very poor and are dragging their clubs down?
We can get excited about the GCL and DSL2 success all we want, but these guys are so far from the majors that it's difficult to get excited about success at those levels.
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Post by huskies15 on Aug 11, 2015 21:29:13 GMT -5
I think that the pitching depth (lack thereof) of the A-AA minors in combination with the complimentary org guys is the reason why the records are not good. If I look at it, we don't have a Mauro Gomez putting up Eastern League MVP numbers or any great seasons from org guys to help carry the squads through the dog days.
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 11, 2015 21:36:09 GMT -5
No. It's meaningless. You can keep bringing it up year after year after year and it will always be meaningless. Just stop. Please. Please for the love of god stop.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Aug 11, 2015 21:49:52 GMT -5
Moncada was scratched from the Drive lineup today. Does anybody here know why? "Dressed with wrap on his hand in dugout" per sosh |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 11, 2015 21:52:12 GMT -5
Don't you think before we call it meaningless we see what transpires in the organization during the next few years following up on this minor league season?
How long has it been since the Sox system was THIS bad, results-wise, at the full-season level? To say it means nothing before we see how our supposed gold mine of prospect nuggets turns out is a sort of negative way of putting the cart before the horse.
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Post by radiohix on Aug 11, 2015 22:00:35 GMT -5
Moncada was scratched from the Drive lineup today. Does anybody here know why? "Banged up a little bit" according to GVL manager, they wanted to give him some rest. Precautious move. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 11, 2015 22:05:46 GMT -5
Don't you think before we call it meaningless we see what transpires in the organization during the next few years following up on this minor league season? How long has it been since the Sox system was THIS bad, results-wise, at the full-season level? To say it means nothing before we see how our supposed gold mine of prospect nuggets turns out is a sort of negative way of putting the cart before the horse. Farm system rankings are very largely based, basically, on each org's top 10 or so prospects. Now ask yourself how much impact ten players, spread over six or seven levels, have on the combined minor league win-loss record of an organization. Then, in light of that, explain to me why your question has enough validity to even warrant a response. |
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 11, 2015 22:13:09 GMT -5
Don't you think before we call it meaningless we see what transpires in the organization during the next few years following up on this minor league season? How long has it been since the Sox system was THIS bad, results-wise, at the full-season level? To say it means nothing before we see how our supposed gold mine of prospect nuggets turns out is a sort of negative way of putting the cart before the horse. Farm system rankings are very largely based, basically, on each org's top 10 or so prospects. Now ask yourself how much impact ten players, spread over six or seven levels, have on the combined minor league win-loss record of an organization. Then, in light of that, explain to me why your question has enough validity to even warrant a response. HINT: It doesn't. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2015 22:13:58 GMT -5
Don't you think before we call it meaningless we see what transpires in the organization during the next few years following up on this minor league season? How long has it been since the Sox system was THIS bad, results-wise, at the full-season level? To say it means nothing before we see how our supposed gold mine of prospect nuggets turns out is a sort of negative way of putting the cart before the horse. Here's the question: What, exactly, is the negative impact of having a winning record in the minor leagues? In a few years, Manuel Margot strides to the plate in the bottom of the ninth in a big game in September. He thinks back and remembers when Portland lost a random minor league game in August 2015. He wants to succeed, but then he remembers... the Red Sox organization must be ok with losing, because it didn't sign a bunch of 27 year olds to make the Sea Dogs have a good record. 3-2 pitch, and he watches it go by for strike three, because his desire to win was beaten out of him that fateful summer in Maine... I just don't understand what the catastrophic consequences of a losing minor league record across the system are supposed to be. |
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 11, 2015 22:20:14 GMT -5
No, you're missing the point, he's actually saying that because the teams are "bad" our prospects might be overrated.
Never mind the fact that 95% of the players in the system, all of whom contribute to the win-loss records, aren't even considered when people do these farm system rankings.
It's like saying Detroit isn't a poor city because it's in America which is the richest country in the world.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 11, 2015 22:25:08 GMT -5
Our farm system started the year with a ton of arms at Pawtucket, a black hole in Portland, a couple of prospects in Salem and a bunch of prospects in Greenville.
Over the course of the summer, Pawtucket got raided, Portland took the best from Salem, but still remains a substandard team. Salem took some of the best from Greenville, but it was not enough to replace what went to Portland. And Greenville morphed into prospect city for position players with no arms to speak of once kopech got suspended.
it isn't that the farm system is poor, because it is really loaded. It is more a product of the current distribution of some quality position players in greenville and Portland, but no pitching there and some quality arms in Salem and Pawtucket, but no quality position players.
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