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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 18, 2015 20:55:34 GMT -5
Horrible 3 or the last 4 years. We have lots of good young talent but truth is we do not have an elite pitcher on the staff and unlikely in the system. I'm all for giving 1/3 of or prospects away. Just no more Miley Porcello types. This team needs an ace and probably a change in management aswell. Good good Ben and good lick to all those who follow.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 18, 2015 20:55:45 GMT -5
Very nervous. Let's remember what Theo left Ben and what Ben left Dave. It's night and day. Dipoto should be the GM.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 18, 2015 20:56:25 GMT -5
Damn, son.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 18, 2015 20:58:04 GMT -5
How many Cy Young Awards does Espinoza win in San Diego or Cleveland?
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 18, 2015 20:58:29 GMT -5
I have said that there is no chance of David Price coming to Boston. I may have to eat my words, as I was not expecting a total organizational overhaul.
What does DD do with Farrell? Wonder if we see him bow out, due to health (but paid, of course), in order to give the organization a clean sweep.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 20:59:07 GMT -5
Fantastic move. Sanity will be restored to how prospects are treated within the organization. No more holding onto guys like Lavarnway and Cecchini until they're worthless.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 18, 2015 20:59:39 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Aug 18, 2015 20:59:55 GMT -5
I'll reserve my judgement, by I feel a little queasy. I don't have the slightest clue what he is going to do with this team. I think I'll see the positives in his moves, because I tend to be overly optimistic, but I'll be very sad if he trades Devers or Espinoza, and JBJ too.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 18, 2015 21:00:06 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think it's inevitable this move turns out to be a disaster.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 21:00:31 GMT -5
14 seasons in Detroit: — seasons w/more than 90 wins: 3 — titles: zero Why is 90 wins a meaningful number? Why not discuss the five playoff appearances and two AL pennants? Because pennants aren't titles and 90+ ought be a baseline expectation for a big market team. Heck, I remember when Theo said they build a team in the offseason expecting 95 wins every year and adjust during the season as need be. You can focus on winning the AL Central five times, home of the downtrodden Tribe, the penurious Twins and the Kenny-run Chisox, while I wonder how the above resume will play in Boston.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 18, 2015 21:01:08 GMT -5
Tim Britton @timbritton 24s24 seconds ago PROS FOR DAVE DOMBROWSKI: Traded for Miguel Cabrera, Max Scherzer
CONS FOR DAVE DOMBROWSKI: Traded away Randy Johnson, Johan Santana
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 18, 2015 21:01:44 GMT -5
Gordon Edes @gordonedes 23s23 seconds ago Dombrowski met with Henry, Werner, and Mike Gordon last week in Chicago, flew here for interview, accepted job on Sunday
Gordon Edes @gordonedes 47s48 seconds ago Dombrowski said he plans to hire a GM. Plans to begin job tomorrow after press conference. Will not run bus. operations like he did in Det
(in other words, Dombrowski and Sam Kennedy will each report to ownership and neither will report to the other)
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Post by tijas2 on Aug 18, 2015 21:02:07 GMT -5
Great. After all this work to build the farm
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 21:02:07 GMT -5
Fantastic move. Sanity will be restored to how prospects are treated within the organization. No more holding onto guys like Lavarnway and Cecchini until they're worthless. Right. Because those two would've fetched quite the haul.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2015 21:03:08 GMT -5
Remember: Dombrowski built excellent farm systems when he was GM of the Expos (Cliff Flord, Rondell White, Charles Johnson) and Marlins (Miguel Cabrera, Josh Beckett, Edgar Rentaria). It would be unfair to say that he does not understand the importance of building a strong farm system or that he is unable to build such a farm system.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 18, 2015 21:04:25 GMT -5
Let's not get carried away with hyperbole about DD trading the entire farm system. I'm sure he and JWH had lengthy discussions and I doubt JWH would have hired him if DD didn't express respect for the development process.
Ben's mistake (well, one of them anyways) was a reluctance to trade from the farm system. Prospects that may have had some value at one time were kept around until they had no value. Remember all the hype about Renaudo after Boras extracted a big bonus from his buddy Theo? The kid reached the bigs last year and it was striking how pedestrian his stuff was. He ended up bringing us Robbie Ross Jr.
Garin Cecchini, Deven Marrero, Bryce Brentz are also among those who could have been at least pot sweeteners in a trade at one time but whose value has plummeted.
One of the strengths of a good organization is sage evaluation of its own young players and making the right judgments about which ones to keep and which ones to cash in. That's what we need DD to bring.
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Post by danr on Aug 18, 2015 21:04:31 GMT -5
Dombrowski got Iglesias from the Sox two years ago and Cespedes during the winter and he traded Cespedes at the deadline for two pretty decent pitching prospects. I think Detroit came out ahead on those deals. Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 21:04:55 GMT -5
All forms of potential shakeup are on the table now. Considering that we've got Betts and Moncada, maybe even Pedroia could be in play in the next year or two.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 18, 2015 21:06:35 GMT -5
Remember: Dombrowski built excellent farm systems when he was GM of the Expos (Cliff Flord, Rondell White, Charles Johnson) and Marlins (Miguel Cabrera, Josh Beckett, Edgar Rentaria). It would be unfair to say that he does not understand the importance of building a strong farm system or that he is unable to build such a farm system. It would be fair, however, to say that DD will likely build a different type of farm system than the Epstein/Cherington regimes. DD has tended to focus on power arms and athletic tools and has been far less active internationally.
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Post by jdb on Aug 18, 2015 21:06:36 GMT -5
I'm worried about Wren. Hopefully it's just lazy journalism throwing names out there. I'd take Dipota.
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Post by notguilty on Aug 18, 2015 21:06:58 GMT -5
Oh well. I don't like it, but I guess this was coming. Well, people who want to trade out the farm and give out big money contracts can rejoice. Dombrowski doesn't care about no stinkin..prospects. Would have preferred somebody younger, but hey.
At least he's inheriting an organization that for all its warts, is in a better position than the one he left in Detroit. Let's hope the results, long term contracts and bullpens will be better here than they were over there.
I do want to say thanks to Ben Cherington though. He's served this organization well, and for a long time. Excellent work on the farm system, understated, etc. And lucky or not, 2013 was magic. Just too many terrible mistakes in 2015. Happens to the best of us.
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Post by nomar on Aug 18, 2015 21:07:52 GMT -5
DD is fine with me. Could be worse for sure. But Wren? Why on earth would we want Frank Wren?
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 18, 2015 21:08:45 GMT -5
Remember: he traded Randy Freaking Johnson for Mark Langston. Expect history to repeat itself.
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Post by jmei on Aug 18, 2015 21:09:55 GMT -5
Why is 90 wins a meaningful number? Why not discuss the five playoff appearances and two AL pennants? Because pennants aren't titles and 90+ ought be a baseline expectation for a big market team. Heck, I remember when Theo said they build a team in the offseason expecting 95 wins every year and adjust during the season as need be. You can focus on winning the AL Central five times, home of the downtrodden Tribe, the penurious Twins and the Kenny-run Chisox, while I wonder how the above resume will play in Boston. Playoff appearances are a much more meaningful benchmark. Every single GM in the league will tell you they would rather win 89 and make the playoffs as opposed to 91 and missing out. Since the turn of the decade, the Indians, Twins, and White Sox have all had successful runs. I'd guess Dombrowski's 27-year-run of being one of the most highly-regarded GMs in baseball will play just fine in Boston.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 21:11:02 GMT -5
Literally it's like the heavens parted and my prayers were answered.
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