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Post by sox fan in nc on Oct 30, 2015 16:15:03 GMT -5
And his career lasted how long? About six times longer than Middlebrooks'. You got me there.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 30, 2015 18:45:21 GMT -5
And his career lasted how long? About six times longer than Middlebrooks'. Maybe my favorite post here in a long time
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Post by jmei on Nov 2, 2015 22:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 3, 2015 11:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 3, 2015 13:02:27 GMT -5
I can't see Park getting a higher offer then Kang did last year, comparing a SS w/power to a 1B w/power....But after every GM has seen Kang's hitting has played well in MLB, that has to help Park.......Just hope RS don't make this a "well, we lost out on Abreu, so we'll just sign the next guy coming out of Cuba" thing. Though I think Castillo will eventually level out to be worth 10 mil salary for the duration of his contract.
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Post by SlugLife on Nov 3, 2015 15:12:30 GMT -5
I can't see Park getting a higher offer then Kang did last year, comparing a SS w/power to a 1B w/power....But after every GM has seen Kang's hitting has played well in MLB, that has to help Park.......Just hope RS don't make this a "well, we lost out on Abreu, so we'll just sign the next guy coming out of Cuba" thing. Though I think Castillo will eventually level out to be worth 10 mil salary for the duration of his contract. I think you just provided some great supporting evidence to disprove the first thing you said. Park will get much more than Kang precisely because Kang was so successful. GMs are going to use the success of Kang as a benchmark for Park's expected success, and will pay a premium for it, just as Abreu's success, to some degree, paved the way for Rusney Castillo's contract. It's not a very good way to evaluate baseball players, but it's just about the only concrete thing to latch on to, so GMs and the media will.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 3, 2015 15:36:50 GMT -5
I can't see Park getting a higher offer then Kang did last year, comparing a SS w/power to a 1B w/power....But after every GM has seen Kang's hitting has played well in MLB, that has to help Park.......Just hope RS don't make this a "well, we lost out on Abreu, so we'll just sign the next guy coming out of Cuba" thing. Though I think Castillo will eventually level out to be worth 10 mil salary for the duration of his contract. I think you just provided some great supporting evidence to disprove the first thing you said. Park will get much more than Kang precisely because Kang was so successful. GMs are going to use the success of Kang as a benchmark for Park's expected success, and will pay a premium for it, just as Abreu's success, to some degree, paved the way for Rusney Castillo's contract. It's not a very good way to evaluate baseball players, but it's just about the only concrete thing to latch on to, so GMs and the media will. I just meant that Kang is good hitting SS & Park is a good hitting 1st baseman, so everything being equal, Kang should be more valuable. Your right though, Kang's bat to ball/power will only help ensure the belief in Park.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 5, 2015 8:59:04 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 9 u The Sox were one of six teams scouting South Korea vs Cuba last night -- main attraction being Byung-ho Park -- per Naver Sports.
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 9:58:26 GMT -5
If we land him it's going to cause a domino effect I would think.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 5, 2015 10:04:51 GMT -5
This is becoming like a game if billiards....every move DDom makes is with the next 3 or 4 moves in mind coming afterwards. I know this is usually the case every offseason, but often it's with plugging a hole or 2. Now he's juggling 1B 3B RF LF SP RP simultaneously. He is going to need all those GM/analyst types he's hired.
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 10:30:38 GMT -5
I think I want to roll the dice with Park. Shaw is a competent backup, Sam Travis is making his way up too, and I really question Hanley ever staying healthy.
Our offense still ended up being very good last year with Hanley and Pablo hitting worse than they ever had, and Napoli regressing in a big way. I think replacing Hanley full time with Park/Shaw is a risk we can afford to take.
One question is whether we can dump enough of Hanley's salary. I think there's an AL team that would give it a shot. Cleveland perhaps? They could use a big bat.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 5, 2015 10:36:22 GMT -5
I think I want to roll the dice with Park. Shaw is a competent backup, Sam Travis is making his way up too, and I really question Hanley ever staying healthy. Our offense still ended up being very good last year with Hanley and Pablo hitting worse than they ever had, and Napoli regressing in a big way. I think replacing Hanley full time with Park/Shaw is a risk we can afford to take. One question is whether we can dump enough of Hanley's salary. I think there's an AL team that would give it a shot. Cleveland perhaps? They could use a big bat. I for one think Lee makes more sense. He's older than Park and probably not as good, but likely cheaper money and years wise. He can bridge the Sox to whenever Sam Travis is ready. Because he's a FA it gives DD more time to unload Hanley.
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Post by 0ap0 on Nov 5, 2015 11:01:47 GMT -5
Sam Travis might be an acceptable major league firstbaseman at some point, but I sure don't see him as something especially worth building a bridge to. Park stands a chance of being a guy you'd actually like to be penciling in there as opposed to shrugging that at least he's cost controlled.
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 11:10:02 GMT -5
I agree that Travis isn't someone you count on being more than an average starter. I also think Lee is a significantly worse talent. I wouldn't count on him being any better than Shaw.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 5, 2015 12:30:33 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 9 u The Sox were one of six teams scouting South Korea vs Cuba last night -- main attraction being Byung-ho Park -- per Naver Sports. FWIW with bids due friday, when should we know who won?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 5, 2015 12:45:46 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats 9 u The Sox were one of six teams scouting South Korea vs Cuba last night -- main attraction being Byung-ho Park -- per Naver Sports. FWIW with bids due friday, when should we know who won? Friday, the MLB will notify the Nexen Heroes of the highest bid, Then the Heroes will have 4 business days to accept it or decline it. If they accept it, Park will have 30 days to negotiate a deal with the MLB team. If they decline it, it will be another 12 months before he can be posted again. Not sure where/when the media will know during this loop.
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 14:25:33 GMT -5
with bids due friday, when should we know who won? Friday, the MLB will notify the Nexen Heroes of the highest bid, Then the Heroes will have 4 business days to accept it or decline it. If they accept it, Park will have 30 days to negotiate a deal with the MLB team. If they decline it, it will be another 12 months before he can be posted again. Not sure where/when the media will know during this loop. This, and grandsalami just so you know the winning bid will likely be leaked/announced late Friday or Saturday. Although Park isn't getting as much media attention as others in the past have.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Nov 5, 2015 15:02:34 GMT -5
Friday, the MLB will notify the Nexen Heroes of the highest bid, Then the Heroes will have 4 business days to accept it or decline it. If they accept it, Park will have 30 days to negotiate a deal with the MLB team. If they decline it, it will be another 12 months before he can be posted again. Not sure where/when the media will know during this loop. This, and grandsalami just so you know the winning bid will likely be leaked/announced late Friday or Saturday. Although Park isn't getting as much media attention as others in the past have. Kang was Posted Dec 15th 2014, & the Pirates were announced as the team on Dec 22nd 2014....not that it will be same timeframe with Park.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 5, 2015 16:05:37 GMT -5
Friday, the MLB will notify the Nexen Heroes of the highest bid, Then the Heroes will have 4 business days to accept it or decline it. If they accept it, Park will have 30 days to negotiate a deal with the MLB team. If they decline it, it will be another 12 months before he can be posted again. Not sure where/when the media will know during this loop. This, and grandsalami just so you know the winning bid will likely be leaked/announced late Friday or Saturday. Although Park isn't getting as much media attention as others in the past have. Is the winning bid payable regardless, or only if he signs?
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Post by kman22 on Nov 5, 2015 17:38:03 GMT -5
This, and grandsalami just so you know the winning bid will likely be leaked/announced late Friday or Saturday. Although Park isn't getting as much media attention as others in the past have. Is the winning bid payable regardless, or only if he signs? Only if he signs.
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 18:03:34 GMT -5
Wish we could get a scouting report. The K rate is scary, and if you sign him you have to commit to him because there's not enough room for both he and Hanley I would think.
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Post by sierram363 on Nov 5, 2015 22:36:09 GMT -5
Wish we could get a scouting report. The K rate is scary, and if you sign him you have to commit to him because there's not enough room for both he and Hanley I would think. Counting on Hanley at 1st is scarier. I'd rather take a chance on Park.
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Post by nomar on Nov 5, 2015 22:49:54 GMT -5
Wish we could get a scouting report. The K rate is scary, and if you sign him you have to commit to him because there's not enough room for both he and Hanley I would think. Counting on Hanley at 1st is scarier. I'd rather take a chance on Park. Still, guys like Marcus Thames and Navarro went over there and out up similarly impressive numbers.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 5, 2015 22:49:34 GMT -5
This is becoming like a game if billiards....every move DDom makes is with the next 3 or 4 moves in mind coming afterwards. I know this is usually the case every offseason, but often it's with plugging a hole or 2. Now he's juggling 1B 3B RF LF SP RP simultaneously. He is going to need all those GM/analyst types he's hired. Good GM's often make moves with pawns before making moves for the real objective.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 5, 2015 23:09:32 GMT -5
Counting on Hanley at 1st is scarier. I'd rather take a chance on Park. Still, guys like Marcus Thames and Navarro went over there and out up similarly impressive numbers. Marcus Thames had a .239 isolated slugging in MLB. So his power did translate. EDIT: Worth noting that was probably inflated since he saw a higher-than-normal amount of his at-bats come against lefties. Still, if Thames had been able to catch the ball competently he'd have gotten much more than 2000 plate appearances stateside because he could hit. EDIT again: Upon further review, Marcus Thames never played in Korea. Eric Thames has. Eric has hit .312/.389/.506 in 800 Triple-A plate appearances, so there's a real chance he'd be a major league-quality hitter too. But guys who can't catch the ball don't usually get THAT many chances to prove they can hit, and he sorta punted his in 2012.
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