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The Book On Dave Dombrowski
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 15:39:41 GMT -5
We're just one week into the Dave Dombrowski era in Boston and we've already got one Detroit insider's perspective on what we might expect of our new President of Baseball Operations. So, was Dave Dombrowski a good hire or a bad one? ferrall.radio.cbssports.com/2015/08/26/denny-mclain-dombrowski-got-caught-talking-to-too-many-teams/“That’s Dombrowski,” McLain continued. “His schtick is to go in and get rid of the talent by making trades and what have you – and he was relatively successful. But by the time he leaves or is asked to leave or told to leave, he’s really – for lack of a better term – raped and pillaged the village. This is just another example of it. Everybody knew this day was coming, but what happened is he got caught talking to too many teams and one of those icons said something to somebody, and almost in the middle of the night, (Mike) Ilitch found out abut it, called him and said you need to hit the door and don’t look back and don’t say goodbye.”
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 26, 2015 15:54:03 GMT -5
Sounds like some super sour grapes. Then there is the owner meddling that isn't mentioned.
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Post by arzjake on Aug 26, 2015 15:57:22 GMT -5
Screw McClain. isn't he still in jail?
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Post by jmei on Aug 26, 2015 16:20:34 GMT -5
But by the time he leaves or is asked to leave or told to leave, he’s really – for lack of a better term – raped and pillaged the village. Yeah, Dombrowski really screwed the Expos when he left in 1991-- all he did was build a core of Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Marquis Grissom, and Delino DeShields, and that team only won 87 and 95 games the next two years while leading all of baseball with a 74-40 record in the strike-shortened 1994 (a 105 win pace). And when he left the Marlins in 2001, all he did was build the core of a team that won the World Series two years later.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2015 16:29:55 GMT -5
And in the case of Florida (9 seasons) and Detroit (14 seasons), this raping and pillaging takes a REALLY long time.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 26, 2015 16:30:20 GMT -5
Screw McClain. isn't he still in jail? Let's fix this .. We're just one week into the Dave Dombrowski era in Boston and we've already got one Detroit jail insider's perspective on what we might expect of our new President of Baseball Operations. So, was Dave Dombrowski a good hire or a bad one?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 26, 2015 16:34:00 GMT -5
Can't we make it a public poll? I'm interested.
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Post by nomar on Aug 26, 2015 16:41:24 GMT -5
But by the time he leaves or is asked to leave or told to leave, he’s really – for lack of a better term – raped and pillaged the village. Yeah, Dombrowski really screwed the Expos when he left in 1991-- all he did was build a core of Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Marquis Grissom, and Delino DeShields, and that team only won 87 and 95 games the next two years while leading all of baseball with a 74-40 record in the strike-shortened 1994 (a 105 win pace). And when he left the Marlins in 2001, all he did was build the core of a team that won the World Series two years later. This happens all the time in baseball. GMs fired because a team is doing bad for a few years, all while they're building a dynamic core in the minors. Someone has to take the blame and the new guy will look like a genius.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:45:49 GMT -5
Yeah, Dombrowski really screwed the Expos when he left in 1991. This happens all the time in baseball. GMs fired because a team is doing bad for a few years, all while they're building a dynamic core in the minors. Someone has to take the blame and the new guy will look like a genius. Mclain's assessment seems to go more to Dombrowski's character - admittedly, rather ironic considering the source - than to Dombrowski's actual track record as a GM.
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Post by jmei on Aug 26, 2015 16:46:53 GMT -5
Yeah, Dombrowski really screwed the Expos when he left in 1991-- all he did was build a core of Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Marquis Grissom, and Delino DeShields, and that team only won 87 and 95 games the next two years while leading all of baseball with a 74-40 record in the strike-shortened 1994 (a 105 win pace). And when he left the Marlins in 2001, all he did was build the core of a team that won the World Series two years later. This happens all the time in baseball. GMs fired because a team is doing bad for a few years, all while they're building a dynamic core in the minors. Someone has to take the blame and the new guy will look like a genius. FYI, you probably know this, but for those who don't, Dombrowski wasn't fired in either Montreal or Florida-- in both cases, he left for a better GM gig (he arguably did so in Detroit as well, though the circumstances around his leaving of Detroit are murky and it may have been an under-the-table firing).
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Post by jmei on Aug 26, 2015 16:50:52 GMT -5
As an aside, is there any reason at all to think McLain has any particular inside information on the Tigers organization?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 16:53:19 GMT -5
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Post by burythehammer on Aug 26, 2015 16:56:20 GMT -5
I'm skeptical of Dombrowski, but Mclain sounds like a moron with an axe to grind. Dangerous combination.
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Post by nomar on Aug 26, 2015 17:05:18 GMT -5
Dombrowski is pretty meh IMO, but I think it will be hard to screw up given what he was handed.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 26, 2015 17:11:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 17:14:27 GMT -5
I'm actually feeling rather vindicated, given the mass hysteria that went on the night of Dombrowski's hiring.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 26, 2015 18:22:49 GMT -5
If I had a third thumb I'd point that one down too.
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Post by klostrophobic on Aug 26, 2015 18:48:05 GMT -5
I have no idea, but I am cautiously pessimistic that he's going to trade far too many prospects for far too little elite talent, but given the current state of the system and the budget of the organization it shouldnt be that hard to build a sustainable winner.
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Post by nomar on Aug 26, 2015 19:03:28 GMT -5
I'm actually feeling rather vindicated, given the mass hysteria that went on the night of Dombrowski's hiring. What exactly has he done to vindicate you? And it's not like you're the only one who thought of DD as a possibility.
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Post by gerry on Aug 26, 2015 20:01:49 GMT -5
Klostropbobic, I am less pessimistic about his gutting the team and farm to create a DD-built unit. Comments from Henry and Dski himself seem to appreciate the young core and vet talent.
Specifically, he heaped praise on the OF of Betts, Bradley and Castillo, so the $11M young OF should remain in place. Papi and Pedey also. He is very impressed by XB and Swihart. This tells me C, 2B, SS. LF, CF, RF, DH appear safe. That leaves Vasquez, Hanigan, Hanley (1B), Panda, Holt, Shaw and deAza. Hanigan and Holt are too productive, valuable and cost-efficient to trade.. March will be too soon to decide on Vasquez. Hanley and Panda are big questions, but deAza and Shaw are small ones. I am optimistic about keeping this lineup which has literally emerged since the ASB. So there are negligible reasons for Dave to trade for position players, which reduces the toll on trade chips.
Pitching? He loves EdRod. He might add 2 SP's, likely one as a FA. A trade could cost serious 'chips' but relievers shouldn't. In summary, he is still learning the team, and really doesn't have to do much to contend, so hopefully he wont.
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Post by nomar on Aug 26, 2015 20:38:01 GMT -5
Id be fine with signing Price and having Kelly, Owens, and Wright as depth options going into next year (Price, Clay, Porcello, Erod, Miley).
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Post by wskeleton76 on Aug 26, 2015 20:46:25 GMT -5
Id be fine with signing Price and having Kelly, Owens, and Wright as depth options going into next year (Price, Clay, Porcello, Erod, Miley). No Clay.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Aug 26, 2015 20:52:01 GMT -5
Id be fine with signing Price and having Kelly, Owens, and Wright as depth options going into next year (Price, Clay, Porcello, Erod, Miley). No Clay. You want to replace a guy with a 3.26 ERA with Kelly, Owens or Wright? Even if we acquire a 2nd starter, Miley or E-Rod should be kicked out before Clay
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 26, 2015 20:58:15 GMT -5
Id be fine with signing Price and having Kelly, Owens, and Wright as depth options going into next year (Price, Clay, Porcello, Erod, Miley). No Clay. Buchholz had a 2.67 FIP this year and 3.1 fWAR for $13 million a year. If they can trade him for a cr@pload, I'm open to it. Otherwise, he belongs on the team (unless he needs TJS).
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 26, 2015 21:01:49 GMT -5
We need more of Clay, not less.
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