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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 20, 2015 18:45:16 GMT -5
Time to voice your vote on the 2015 Community Red Sox prospect rankings. You know the drill - rank your top 40 Red Sox prospects. Criteria for rankings should be your opinion of each prospect's "expected value" at the big league level, not solely based on ceiling, and not necessarily for the Red Sox. We're not going to set any strict guidelines as to how you should rank prospects, except that we do ask that you follow one rule - please only vote for eligible prospects and do not exclude players from eligibility based on your own criteria. Please check back once or twice to see if someone points out a mistake in your rankings, such as a double-ranking or if you may have missed a player.
Every player listed on the Team Rosters page is eligible EXCEPT the following players (and please note the graduations of Henry Owens, Travis Shaw, and Heath Hembree, which are not yet reflected in the current SoxProspects rankings):
Matt Barnes, Mookie Betts, Jeff Bianchi, Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley, Craig Breslow, Clay Buchholz, Rusney Castillo, Allen Craig, Ryan Cook, Ryan Hanigan, Heath Hembree, Rich Hill, Brock Holt, Joe Kelly, Tommy Layne, Sandy Leon, Jean Machi, Chris Marrero, Roman Mendez, Wade Miley, Alexi Ogando, David Ortiz, Henry Owens, Dustin Pedroia, Carlos Peguero, Rick Porcello, Humberto Quintero, Hanley Ramirez, Eduardo Rodriguez, Robbie Ross, Josh Rutledge, Pablo Sandoval, Dave Sappelt, Travis Shaw, Blake Swihart, Junichi Tazawa, Koji Uehara, Anthony Varvaro, Christian Vazquez, Jemile Weeks, Brandon Workman, and Steven Wright.
Voting will go through Sunday, October 18. You can edit your rankings until then.
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Post by charliezink16 on Sept 21, 2015 12:21:55 GMT -5
I'll start us off.
FV 80
1) Allen Craig
FV 65-70
1a) Yoan Moncada
2) Anderson Espinoza
FV 60-65
3) Manny Margot
4) Rafael Devers
5) Andrew Benintendi
FV 50-60
6) Sam Travis
7) Brian Johnson
8) Javier Guerra
9) Michael Kopech
FV <50
10) Deven Marrero
11) Logan Allen
12) Michael Chavis
13) Trey Ball
14) Marco Hernandez
15) Nick Longhi
16) Pat Light
17) Mauricio Dubon
18) Garin Cecchini
19) Wendell Rijo
20) Noe Ramirez
21) Edwin Escobar
22) Ty Buttrey
23) Carlos Asuaje
24) Williams Jerez
25) Jonathan Aro
26) Luis Alexander Basabe
27) Christopher Acosta
28) Yoan Aybar
29) Dayan Diaz
30) Bryce Brentz
31) Teddy Stankiewicz
32) Kevin McAvoy
33) Sean Coyle
34) Aaron Wilkerson
35) Henry Ramos
36) Josh Ockimey
37) Luis Ysla
38) Simon Mercedes
39) Victor Acosta
40) Roniel Raudes
41) Jake Cosart
42) Nick Hamilton
43) Jordan Procyshen
44) Tzu-Wei Lin
45) Jalen Beeks
46) Ben Taylor
47) Kevin Steen
48) Austin Rei
49) Jake Romanski
50) Jantzen Witte
Top 25 and Under:
1) Xander Bogaerts
2) Mookie Betts
3) Jackie Bradley Jr.
4) Christian Vazquez
5) Eduardo Rodriguez
6) Yoan Moncada
7) Blake Swihart
8) Anderson Espinoza
9) Manny Margot
10) Rafael Devers
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Post by jrffam05 on Sept 21, 2015 14:48:37 GMT -5
1. Moncada
2. Devers
3. Benintendi
4. Espinoza
5. Margot
6. Guerra
7. Johnson
8. Kopech
9. Chavis
10. Travis
11. Light
12. Marrero
13. Ball
14. Longhi
15. Allen
16. Stankiewicz
17. Jerez
18. Buttrey
Having a tough time splitting the guys after Marrero with any meaning, so I'll stop here. I don't think I'd rank him #19, but my player to watch is Christopher Acosta.
EDIT:
19. Marco Hernandez
20. Jonathan Aro
21. Edwin Escobar
22. Mauricio Dubon
23. Wendell Rijo
24. Carlos Asuaje
25. Christopher Acosta
26. Luis Bababe
27. Yoan Aybar
28. Dayan Diaz
29. Noe Ramirez
30. Garin Cecchinni
31. Bryce Brentz
32. Kevin McAvoy
33. Jalen Beeks
34. Austen Rei
35. Ben Taylor
36. Jordan Procyshen
37. Kyle Martin
38. Sean Coyle
39. Marc Brakeman
40. Roniel Raudes
Full disclosure, 26-37 I went with soxprospects order of players I didn't rank.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 21, 2015 15:15:22 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Devers 3. Benintendi 4. Espinoza 5. Margot 6. Guerra 7. Johnson 8. Kopech 9. Chavis 10. Travis 11. Light 12. Marrero 13. Ball 14. Longhi 15. Allen 16. Stankiewicz 17. Jerez 18. Buttrey Having a tough time splitting the guys after Marrero with any meaning, so I'll stop here. I don't think I'd rank him #19, but my player to watch is Christopher Acosta. FYI, we're only going to count lists that have 40 players ranked so as not to skew the numbers. |
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Post by dd on Sept 21, 2015 16:20:44 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Devers 3. Benintendi 4. Espinoza 5. Margot 6. Guerra 7. Johnson 8. Kopech 9. Chavis 10. Travis 11. Light 12. Marrero 13. Ball 14. Longhi 15. Allen 16. Stankiewicz 17. Jerez 18. Buttrey Having a tough time splitting the guys after Marrero with any meaning, so I'll stop here. I don't think I'd rank him #19, but my player to watch is Christopher Acosta. FYI, we're only going to count lists that have 40 players ranked so as not to skew the numbers. Also not counting anything beyond 40 for the same reason. It doesn't hurt to rank a few extra if you want to but it's probably extra work for you and those beyond 40 won't count. (Sorry Charlie!) |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 21, 2015 16:22:28 GMT -5
FYI, we're only going to count lists that have 40 players ranked so as not to skew the numbers. Also not counting anything beyond 40 for the same reason. It doesn't hurt to rank a few extra if you want to but it's probably extra work for you and those beyond 40 won't count. (Sorry Charlie!) I'd actually encourage people to rank beyond 40 in case of double-ranking, which has happened in the past. Oh, and PLEASE USE FIRST NAMES IF POSSIBLE, OR AT LEAST WITH THE BASABES AND ACOSTAS!! |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Sept 21, 2015 17:23:54 GMT -5
1 Yoan Moncada
2 Anderson Espinoza
3 Rafael Devers
4 Andrew Benintendi
5 Manuel Margot
6 Sam Travis
7 Michael Kopech
8 Javier Guerra
9 Brian Johnson
10 Luis Alexander Basabe
11 Nick Longhi
12 Michael Chavis
13 Trey Ball
14 Deven Marrero
15 Logan Allen
16 Wendell Rijo
17 Yoan Aybar
18 Ty Buttrey
19 Pat Light
20 Austin Rei
21 Marc Brakeman
22 Christopher Acosta
23 Mauricio Dubon
24 Williams Jerez
25 Luis Ysla
26 Kevin Steen
27 Carlos Asuaje
28 Jake Cosart
29 Josh Ockimey
30 Travis Lakins
31 Teddy Stankiewicz
32 Roniel Raudes
33 Garin Cecchini
34 Kevin McAvoy
35 Marco Hernandez
36 Sean Coyle
37 Josh Pennington
38 Victor Acosta
39 Yoilan Cerse
40 Tate Matheny
41 Henry Ramos
42 Noe Ramirez
43 Simon Mercedes
44 Ben Taylor
45 Bryce Brentz
46 Jonathan Aro
47 Dayan Diaz
48 Jalen Beeks
49 Jordan Procyshen
50 Edwin Escobar
51 Austin Glorius
52 Chandler Shepherd
53 Kyle Martin
54 Ben Moore
55 Eddy Reynoso
56 Jagger Rusconi
57 Kyri Washington
58 Jake Romanski
59 Denyi Reyes
60 Mike Meyers
61 Karsten Whitson
62 Jon Denney
63 Jorge Marban
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Post by jrffam05 on Sept 22, 2015 9:00:12 GMT -5
FYI, we're only going to count lists that have 40 players ranked so as not to skew the numbers. Quite the fan project. I'll update my list at a later date for top 40, will probably mirror SP list closely. |
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Post by dominicansoxfan on Sept 22, 2015 10:19:51 GMT -5
1. Yoan Moncado
2. Anderson Espinoza
3. Rafael Devers
4. Manny Margot
5. Javier Guerra
6. Andrew Benintendi
7. Michael Kopech
8. Brian Johnson
9. Sam Travis
10. Trey Ball
11. Deven Marrero
12. Logan Allen
13. Michael Chavis
14. Nick Longhi
15. Wendell Rijo
16. Marco Hernandez
17. Pat Light
18. Jonathan Aro
19. Luis Alexander Basabe
20. Christopher Acosta
21. Williams Jerez
22. Luis Ysla
23. Mauricio Dubon
24. Edwin Escobar
25. Yoan Aybar
26. Garin Cecchini
27. Ty Buttrey
28. Noe Ramirez
29. Teddy Stankiewicz
30. Kevin McAvoy
31. Josh Ockimey
32. Carlos Asuaje
33. Jake Cosart
34. Victor Acosta
35. Roniel Raudes
36. Jalen Beeks
37. Kevin Steen
38. Dayan Diaz
39. Sean Coyle
40. Simon Mercedes
41. Henry Ramos
42. Austin Rei
43. Jake Romanski
44. Ben Taylor
45. Bryce Bentz
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Post by joshv02 on Sept 22, 2015 11:36:39 GMT -5
1 Yoan Moncada
2 Andrew Benintendi
3 Manuel Margot
4 Rafael Devers
5 Anderson Espinoza
6 Sam Travis
7 Brian Johnson
8 Javier Guerra
9 Michael Kopech
10 Luis Alexander Basabe
11 Nick Longhi
12 Michael Chavis
13 Trey Ball
14 Deven Marrero
15 Logan Allen
16 Wendell Rijo
17 Yoan Aybar
18 Mauricio Dubon
19 Ty Buttrey
20 Marc Brakeman
21 Roniel Raudes
22 Christopher Acosta
23 Pat Light
24 Williams Jerez
25 Jake Cosart
26 Kevin Steen
27 Carlos Asuaje
28 Josh Ockimey
29 Austin Rei
30 Sean Coyle
31 Travis Lakins
32 Teddy Stankiewicz
33 Henry Ramos
34 Jonathan Aro
35 Garin Cecchini
36 Kevin McAvoy
37 Marco Hernandez
38 Ben Taylor
39 Jalen Beeks
40 Ben Moore
41 Josh Pennington
42 Karsten Whitson
43 Eddy Reynoso
44 Luis Ysla
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Post by brockholtsuperstar on Sept 22, 2015 11:43:57 GMT -5
First time doing this but I'll give it a shot.
1. Yoan Moncada
2. Rafael Devers
3. Anderson Espinoza
4. Andrew Benintendi
5. Manuel Margot
6. Sam Travis
7. Brian Johnson
8. Javier Guerra
9. Michael Kopech
10. Michael Chavis
11. Nick Longhi
12. Devan Marrero
13. Marco Hernandez
14. Mauricio Dubon
15. Teddy Stankiewicz
16. Wendell Rijo
17. Logan Allen
18. Ty Buttrey
19. Pat Light
20. Edwin Escobar
21. Garin Cecchini
22. Carlos Asuaje
23. Williams Jerez
24. Luis Alexander Basabe
25. Trey Ball
26. Luis Ysla
27. Jonathan Aro
28. Yoan Aybar
29. Kevin McAvoy
30. Christopher Acosta
31. Jalen Beeks
32. Ben Taylor
33. Aaron Wilkerson
34. Jorge Marban
35. Dayan Diaz
36. Austin Glorius
37. Roniel Raudes
38. Josh Ockimey
39. Bryce Brentz
40. Tate Matheny
Probably missed a couple guys I shouldve included (almost forgot Trey Ball) but here ya go!
EDIT: And there ya go I missed Luis Ysla, I would probably put him in the Dayan Diaz Jonathan Aro range, higher if he gets good coaching
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 22, 2015 15:05:00 GMT -5
1 Yoan Moncada
2 Rafael Devers
3 Anderson Espinoza
4 Manuel Margot
5 Andrew Benintendi
6 Brian Johnson
7 Javier Guerra
8 Michael Kopech
9 Sam Travis
10 Michael Chavis
11 Nick Longhi
12 Trey Ball
13 Deven Marrero
14 Wendell Rijo
15 Marco Hernandez
16 Teddy Stankiewicz
17 Mauricio Dubon
18 Pat Light
19 Ty Buttrey
20 Logan Allen
21 Luis Alexander Basabe
22 Yoan Aybar
23 Carlos Asuaje
24 Williams Jerez
25 Edwin Escobar
26 Garin Cecchini
27 Travis Lakins
28 Sean Coyle
29 Marc Brakeman
30 Kevin McAvoy
31 Austin Rei
32 Roniel Raudes
33 Christopher Acosta
34 Jake Cosart
35 Henry Ramos
36 Josh Ockimey
37 Luis Ysla
38 Kevin Steen
39 Jonathan Aro
40 Dayan Diaz
41 Josh Pennington
42 Victor Acosta
43 Tate Matheny
44 Noe Ramirez
45 Ben Taylor
46 Jordan Procyshen
47 Chandler Shepherd
48 Simon Mercedes
49 Bryce Brentz
50 Jalen Beeks
51 Jagger Rusconi
52 Kyri Washington
53 Karsten Whitson
54 Danny Mars
55 Austin Glorius
56 Mike Meyers
57 Jeremy Rivera
58 Kyle Martin
59 Ben Moore
60 Jake Romanski
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Post by dd on Sept 22, 2015 15:53:52 GMT -5
First time doing this but I'll give it a shot. 31. Jalen Beeks ... 36. Jalen Beeks Probably missed a couple guys I shouldve included (almost forgot Trey Ball) but here ya go! EDIT: And there ya go I missed Luis Ysla, I would probably put him in the Dayan Diaz Jonathan Aro range, higher if he gets good coaching No misses anyway. :-) |
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Post by SALNotes on Sept 22, 2015 23:18:24 GMT -5
1) Anderson Espinosa
2) Yoan Moncada
3) Rafael Devers
4) Manuel Margot
5) Andrew Benintendi
6) Javier Guerra
7) Brian Johnson
8) Michael Kopech
9) Sam Travis
10) Michael Chavis
11) Nick Longhi
12) Garin Cecchini
13)
A work in progress
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Post by sdiaz1 on Sept 22, 2015 23:57:31 GMT -5
Fixed so that it is in a format that more closely resembles everyone else's lists. Additionally, It looks like there may have been a few guys that was sleeping on (Longhi most notably- so I have moved him up and have shifted players around).
The Top Tier (65-75 FV Ceiling)
1. Yoan Moncada
2. Anderson Espinoza
(55-65 FV Ceiling)
3. Rafael Devers
4. Manuel Margot
5. Andrew Benintendi
6. Michael Kopech
(Pretty sure is a 55 FV)
7. Brian Johnson
(50-60 FV)
8. Javi Guerra
9. Michael Chavis
(50 FV)
10. Sam Travis
11. Devon Marrero
12. Wendell Rijo
The Rest of the players are to varied to try to assign a generic FV score. Some like Dayan Diaz and Jon Aro look like decent future relivers. Others have considerable ceilings (acsta, Allen, Basabe) but carry a ton of risk
13. Pat Light
14. Nick Longhi
15. Logan Allen
16. Christopher Acosta
17. Mauricio Dubon
18. Luis Alexander Basabe
19. Dayan Diaz
20. Jonathan Aro
21. Edwin Escobar
22. Williams Jerez
23. Teddy Stank
24. Ty Buttery
25. Trey Ball
26. Josh Okimkey
27. Jalen Beeks
28. Luis Alejandro Basabe
29. Jake Cosart
30. Victor Acosta
31. Roniel Raudes
32. Marc Brakmen
33. Austin Glorius
34. Yoan Aybar
35. Marco Hernandez
36. Carlos Asuaje
37. Noe Ramirez
38. Austin Rei
39. Chad de La Guerra
40. Tate Matheny
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Post by brockholtsuperstar on Sept 23, 2015 9:56:17 GMT -5
First time doing this but I'll give it a shot. 31. Jalen Beeks ... 36. Jalen Beeks Probably missed a couple guys I shouldve included (almost forgot Trey Ball) but here ya go! EDIT: And there ya go I missed Luis Ysla, I would probably put him in the Dayan Diaz Jonathan Aro range, higher if he gets good coaching No misses anyway. :-) Just super high on Jalen Beeks what can I say? |
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Post by alnipper on Sept 23, 2015 10:36:54 GMT -5
1. Moncada
2. Devers
3. Espinosa
4. Benintendi
5. Margot
6. Guerra
7. B Johnson
8. Kopech
9. Travis
10. Marerro
11. Marco Hernandez
12. Chavis
13. Ball
14. Rijo
15. Allen
16. Longhi
17. Dubon
18. Stankiewicz
19. Light
20. Aybar
21. Aro
22. Buttrey
23 Asuaje
24. Luis Alexander Basabe
25. Noe Ramirez
26. Roniel Raudes
27. Jalen Beeks
28. Edwin Escober
29. Dayan Diaz
30. Austin Glorius
31. Christopher Acosta
32. Ben Taylor
33. Kyle Martin
34. Jordon Precyshen
35. Victor Acosta
36 Bryce Brentz
37. Garin Cecchini
38. Kevin Steen
39. Travis Lakins
40. Marc Brakeman
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 23, 2015 11:21:55 GMT -5
Just super high on Jalen Beeks what can I say? FYI you can edit until the voting closes. |
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Post by dd on Sept 23, 2015 12:02:52 GMT -5
1. Moncada 2. Devers 3. Espinosa 4. Benintendi 5. Margot 6. Guerra 7. B Johnson 8. Kopech 9. Travis 10. Marerro 11. Marco Hernandez 12. Chavis 13. Ball 14. Rijo 15. Allen 16. Longhi 17. Dubon 18. Stankiewicz 19. Light 20. Aybar 21. Aro 22. Buttrey 23 Asuaje 24. Luis Alexander Basabe 25. Noe Ramirez 26. Roniel Raudes 27. Jalen Beeks 28. Edwin Escober 29. Dayan Diaz 30. Austin Glorius 31. Christopher Acosta 32. Ben Taylor 33. Kyle Martin 34. Jordon Precyshen 35. Victor Acosta 36 Bryce Brentz 37. Garin Cecchini 38. Kevin Steen 39. Travis Lakins 40. Marc Brakeman No problems in your list Al but you are the only one so far not to have listed Jonathan Aro. Just want to make sure that wasn't an oversight. |
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Post by alnipper on Sept 23, 2015 13:16:37 GMT -5
I got him at 21.  |
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Post by dd on Sept 24, 2015 14:47:05 GMT -5
I got him at 21. Sorry, too much staring at spreadsheets. Meant to say Williams Jerez. |
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Post by crazypak79 on Sept 25, 2015 4:59:20 GMT -5
1. Moncada
2. Devers
3. Espinoza
4. Benintendi
5. Margot
6. Guerra
7. Kopech
8. B.Johnson(slide because elbow issue)
9. Sam Travis
10. Marrero
11. Chavis
12. Longhi
13. Allen
14. M.Hernandez
15. Dubon
16. Buttrey
17. Stankiewicz
18. P.Light
19. W.Jerez
20. Ball(now Too high)
21. Raudes(turn up 2016)
22. Acosta(Picther)
23. Rijo(too much KKK)
24. X.Basabe(OF)
25. Ockimey
26. Lakins
27. Cecchini
28. Aybar
29. Ysla(Steal deal as Roogy)
30. Y.Pimentel
31. Almonte
32. Brakeman
33. Beeks
34. Steen
35. Washington
36. Cedrola(DSL no.1)
37. Mcgrath
38. Callahan(Rp is good)
39. Glorius
40. Bautista
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 25, 2015 8:11:51 GMT -5
1. Yoan Moncada 4-8 (7) 2. Anderson Espinoza 2-8 (6) 3. Rafael Devers 3-7 (6) 4. Andrew Benintendi 3-7 (6) 5. Manual Margot 3-7 (6) 6. Javier Guerra 2-7 (5) 7. Brian Johnson 4-6 (5) 8. Michael Kopech 2-7 (5) 9. Sam Travis 3-6 (4) 10. Michael Chavis 2-7 (4) 11. Deven Marrero 3-5 (4) 12. Logan Allen 2-6 (3) 13. Nick Longhi 2-6 (3) 14. Mauricio Dubon 2-5 (3) 15. Wendell Rijo 2-5 (3) 15. Marco Hernandez 2-5 (3) 16. Yoan Aybar 2-6 (3) 17. Lus Alexander Basabe 2-6 (3) 18. Pat Light 2-6 (3) 19. Trey Ball 2-6 (3) 20. Garin Cecchini (2-5 (3) 21. Ty Buttrey 22. Carlos Asuaje 23. Chris Acosta 24. Teddy Stankewicz 25. Williams Jerez 26. Jonathan Aro 27. Noe Ramirez 28. Edwin Escobar 29. Luis Ysla 30. Sean Coyle 31. Roniel Raudes 32. Austin Rei 33. Kevin Steen 34. Dayan Diaz 35. Kevin McAvoy 36. Marc Brakeman 37. Jalen Beeks 38. Josh Ockimey 39. Jared Cosart 40. Travis Lakins Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2987/september-rankings-discussion?page=1#ixzz3mks6sPq6 |
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Post by seanleary001 on Sept 25, 2015 12:51:04 GMT -5
Yoan Moncada
Rafael Devers
Anderson Espinoza
Andrew Benintendi
Sam Travis
Manuel Margot
Brian Johnson
Michael Kopech
Michael Chavis
Javier Guerra
Nick Longhi
Ty Buttrey
Trey Ball
Deven Marrero
Marco Hernandez
Teddy Stankiewicz
Pat Light
Logan Allen
Wendell Rijo
Mauricio Dubon
Rionel Raudes
Ben Taylor
Noe Ramirez
Garin Cecchini
Carlos Asuaje
Williams Jerez
Yoan Aybar
Kevin McAvoy
Luis Alexander Basabe
Sean Coyle
Edwin Escobar
Jordan Procyshen
Bryce Brentz
Jake Cosart
Austin Rei
Kevin Steen
Christopher Acosta
Henry Ramos
Josh Ockimey
Simon Mercedes
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Oct 2, 2015 21:29:23 GMT -5
Copied Chaovpepe to a degree for convenience. Some changes:
1) Andrew Benintendi
2. Anderson Espinoza 2-8 (6)
3. Yoan Moncada 4-8 (7)
4) Rafael Devers 3-7 (6)
5. Manual Margot 3-7 (6)
6. Javier Guerra 2-7 (5)
7. Brian Johnson 4-6 (5)
8. Michael Kopech 2-7 (5)
9. Sam Travis 3-6 (4)
10. Logan Allen 2-6 (3)
11. Deven Marrero 3-5 (4)
12. Michael Chavis 2-7 (4)
13. Nick Longhi 2-6 (3)
14. Mauricio Dubon 2-5 (3)
15. Garin Cecchini (2-5 (3)
15. Wendell Rijo 2-5 (3)
16. Yoan Aybar 2-6 (3)
17. Lus Alexander Basabe 2-6 (3)
18. Williams Jerez
19. Trey Ball 2-6 (3)
20. Marco Hernandez 2-5 (3)
21. Ty Buttrey
22. Carlos Asuaje
23. Sean Coyle
24. Teddy Stankewicz
25. Pat Light 2-6 (3)
26. Jonathan Aro
27. Noe Ramirez
28. Edwin Escobar
29. Luis Ysla
30. Chris Acosta
31. Roniel Raudes
32. Austin Rei
33. Kevin Steen
34. Dayan Diaz
35. Kevin McAvoy
36. Marc Brakeman
37. Jordan Procyshen
38. Josh Ockimey
39. Jared Cosart
40. Travis Lakins
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