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Post by heisenberg on Oct 24, 2015 17:30:10 GMT -5
Two possibilities here and both stemming from the same fact - he was an extraordinarily poor general manager. One possibility is that he was looking for a front office job but there were no teams willing to offer him one, because again, awful GM, so his only course of staying in baseball was this gig or a similar one. The second possibility is that he's pretty self-aware about his reputation as a GM and he knows he's not going to get that opportunity again. So the only realistic way to repair his reputation in baseball is becoming a field manager, which he's going to have to work his way up to - he has no field coaching experience, after all. Another side point. I've mentioned a couple times over the last year or so that Amaro's failing as a GM was his total, unbelievable, fanciful, fantastical belief in the value of his own players. He overpaid guys like Howard and Rollins, gave Ruiz a lot of money to stay even though they stunk, asked the world for Hamels, Utley, Rollins, etc. even though they were on big contract and trading them was his only shot at rebuilding. Having a wildly over-inflated opinion of the talent of the players on your own team is a really terrible trait in a GM (for pretty obvious and evident reasons), but in a first base coach? That might be a pretty useful quality to have. Which is precisely why he should have been named Vice President of Public Relations - Not first base coach. P.S. - In commemoration of Ruben Amaro joining the Red Sox and pigs everywhere flying, I am now Heisenberg, Walt or simply "the Chemist."
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 24, 2015 17:43:06 GMT -5
This is so funny. The saber guys are gonna be walking around tonight like they are zombies looking for blood. The irony is so thick on this, if true.
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Post by thursty on Oct 24, 2015 17:50:58 GMT -5
Any mention whose idea this was (i.e. is it a FO or field-level?). I suppose I could induce it by searching for Kafka
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 24, 2015 17:54:42 GMT -5
This is so funny. The saber guys are gonna be walking around tonight like they are zombies looking for blood. The irony is so thick on this, if true. Yeah that's pretty much what I've been doing, good call.
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Post by sarasoxer on Oct 24, 2015 17:57:10 GMT -5
He was, like most first base coaches, in over his head as a general manager. That doesn't mean he can't be a capable first base coach. Good for Amaro for leaving the ego at the door and starting over as a field coach (which I don't believe he has ever been). Yes this makes sense. At the same time, wow, what a come-down. Even if he is just interviewing for the position it has to be a major ingestion of humbling pie.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 24, 2015 18:01:11 GMT -5
Bradford now tweeting that Amaro is among the finalists for Red Sox 1st base job. All they have to do is look at how they are getting crushed on social media and decide to go in another direction.
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Post by mattpicard on Oct 24, 2015 18:07:09 GMT -5
Bradford now tweeting that Amaro is among the finalists for Red Sox 1st base job. All they have to do is look at how they are getting crushed on social media and decide to go in another direction. Fans are ripping it because he was an awful GM, and it's an extremely unorthodox move regardless of his successes/failures. The Sox don't need the fans to tell them that. It's premature to assume this is a horrible move, when the responsibilities of a GM and first base coach are entirely different. Also, for what it's worth, we have one of the best coaches in the game in Brian Butterfield to lead the on-field drills, and Adam noted earlier in this thread that Ruben has more qualifications to be an on-field coach than people may first realize. That all said, I wonder what Arnie's thinking right now.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 24, 2015 18:15:35 GMT -5
Usually base coaches have some other role (i.e. IF or OF defense). Amaro has zero coaching experience. Why not hire a young and upcoming coach with potential to grow into a larger role within the organization?
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Post by nomar on Oct 24, 2015 18:19:37 GMT -5
Hanley AND Ruben at first...This is all some terrible nightmare. Hey I heard he thought Ryan Howard everything he knows about playing 1B.
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Post by raindelay on Oct 24, 2015 18:56:37 GMT -5
RAJ is being hired to be DD's spy in the club house RAJ will learn that a good 1st base coach knows how to collect helmets, batting gloves, elbow pads and shin protectors and at the same time know when a pitcher has committed a balk while throwing to first Rest easy, RAJ and Hanley will never be at first together except on the rare occasion when Hanley either n draws a walk or gets a single. When Hanley is playing first RAJ will be in the dugout and vice versa RAJ must also learn to butt heads with Mike Napoli when he reaches 1st base.......WHAT?? Oh never mind
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 24, 2015 19:47:23 GMT -5
It appears that the reports are premature: So, whom do we believe? Braddo or Nikko?
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Post by stevedillard on Oct 24, 2015 19:58:30 GMT -5
Can we at least add "for 1st base coach" to the title, to save at least a couple of heart attacks.
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Post by sammo420 on Oct 24, 2015 20:23:52 GMT -5
He was, like most first base coaches, in over his head as a general manager. That doesn't mean he can't be a capable first base coach. Good for Amaro for leaving the ego at the door and starting over as a field coach (which I don't believe he has ever been). I think it's all a part of his evil plan to take us over from within.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 24, 2015 20:45:37 GMT -5
If this is true, it's quite strange. It's kind of like a lousy CEO becoming a maintenance man in his next job or something like that.
I just hope Amaro is a better 1b coach than he was as a GM. His GM skills tell me nothing about how good a 1b coach he can be. Unfortunately there's no coaching track record of any kind to fall back on.
Weird move if true, but I won't lose any sleep over it. I mean, didn't Don Zimmer come back as Butch Hobson's bench coach in 1992? If you remember how hated Zimmer was as manager, that would have been more shocking than even this.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 24, 2015 20:49:16 GMT -5
This is so funny. The saber guys are gonna be walking around tonight like they are zombies looking for blood. The irony is so thick on this, if true. The most anti-saber GM in the game fails spectacularly and has to take a job as a first base coach? Yeah, sure showed us...
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Post by azblue on Oct 24, 2015 21:40:50 GMT -5
Amaro wants to become a major league manager. It is logical for him o first seek a position coaching first or third base, followed by a gig as a bench coach an then interview for managerial jobs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 24, 2015 22:36:41 GMT -5
Well, he did always like his first basemen.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 24, 2015 23:10:28 GMT -5
What's next, Jim Bowden as lead usher? Red Sox aka full employers of washed up GMs.
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Post by awall on Oct 25, 2015 6:06:07 GMT -5
Come on, Dave, I told you I'm available!
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Post by brianthetaoist on Oct 25, 2015 7:23:50 GMT -5
Well, Ruben Amaro just gave me more amusement than any 1B coach ever, so ... great hire! From here on, I will give him the same lack of attention I give every other first-base coach.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 25, 2015 9:07:34 GMT -5
This is so funny. The saber guys are gonna be walking around tonight like they are zombies looking for blood. The irony is so thick on this, if true. The most anti-saber GM in the game fails spectacularly and has to take a job as a first base coach? Yeah, sure showed us... There are times when you post that I really don't know if you get my context or if I am understanding your context. The irony is not on his failure, it that statisically driven people are now saddled with the poster boy for anti-analytics on our team. Did you miss that? He may not have been a good GM, but I would hope that people realize the guy grew up in a baseball family and had 8 years career...which is probably 8 years more than the sum total of the brilliant analysts on this website.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 25, 2015 9:08:47 GMT -5
It would be kinda funny if Cherington becomes the Phillies GM. Well Ruben, you finally got Mookie, Xander and Blake on your team.
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Post by mandelbro on Oct 25, 2015 9:09:26 GMT -5
Oh man. Nicky Cafardo is in rare form on this one - calls the guy who was hired as GM for the 2009 season the architect of the 2008 Phillies.
Anyway, the amount of players getting picked off stretching singles into doubles last year was infuriating. Hopefully RAJ is better at field coaching than he is at GMing and can help this team run into fewer outs.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 25, 2015 9:11:19 GMT -5
The most anti-saber GM in the game fails spectacularly and has to take a job as a first base coach? Yeah, sure showed us... There are times when you post that I really don't know if you get my context or if I am understanding your context. The irony is not on his failure, it that statisically driven people are now saddled with the poster boy for anti-analytics on our team. Did you miss that? It's more that every time someone mentions "the saber guys", it seems like they are mocking us as if we're stupid. Kinda like what we do when we talk about the ribbies and dingerz guys.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 25, 2015 9:15:28 GMT -5
Granted the 1st base coach effectively functions as a secondary equipment manager to collect the various arm,elbow, shin, etc pads. However, Amaro has no coaching experience. How often do teams appoint coaches at the major league level to a coaching position with no experience?
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