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Post by telson13 on Feb 3, 2016 15:08:58 GMT -5
As much as injuries have been a problem for Myers, I can't get over his outstanding minor league career, and a very good rookie year. The Padres played him completely out of position in CF last year; in LF he would be more than adequate. I saw this: www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/8-hitters-with-major-hrfb-upside/and wondered if he would be a viable buy-low candidate, with the caveat that the Sox would need a taker for Castillo (or a pretty substantial salary relief package for the Padres). Even if SD were to take Castillo (who would be a far better defensive CF and whose offense would be adequate at the position), they'd need additional players in a package, with the quality being dependent on how much salary relief the Sox contributed. BUT, with Young on board, and Holt, and Benintendi on the way, I think Myers would be a terrific upside acquisition whose offense would almost assuredly benefit from Fenway, and who has the sort of middle-of-the-order upside to be Papi's replacement down the road. Thoughts?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Feb 4, 2016 9:55:35 GMT -5
I also have thought about Wil Myers as a potential acquisition. I like the thought myself. San Diego using this kid at 1st seems ridiculous. He is a solid athlete and still young. Just the power potential is something to really consider. I would be all in on exploring a buy low.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2016 10:42:37 GMT -5
I'd love Wil Myers but I think San Diego would be dumb to trade him.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Feb 4, 2016 10:48:49 GMT -5
IMO, Wil Myers may be another WMB....Pretty good 1/2 year in rookie season, then nothing (I know injuries have derailed him, but still)....The Padres have one of the worst farm systems in the league so they may want a prospect along with Castillo. Not sure of their needs, but maybe a Longhi/Ball/Chavis type player. Everything depends on $$$ going SD's way. Everything considered, I'd take a chance on him as I think he'd play up in LF.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 4, 2016 13:29:51 GMT -5
IMO, Wil Myers may be another WMB....Pretty good 1/2 year in rookie season, then nothing (I know injuries have derailed him, but still)....The Padres have one of the worst farm systems in the league so they may want a prospect along with Castillo. Not sure of their needs, but maybe a Longhi/Ball/Chavis type player. Everything depends on $$$ going SD's way. Everything considered, I'd take a chance on him as I think he'd play up in LF. Other than injuries derailing him, Myers is nothing like WMB as a player. Myers didn't have the ridiculously bad BB/K ratios that WMB had. That doomed WMB in addition to the injuries. If Myers stays healthy he will be an excellent player. He played well at SD last year in that big ball park but only played in 60 games. His numbers over a full season would have been pretty good, especially considering his home park. If it really only took Longhi or Ball or even Chavis along, or all 3 of them with Castillo to acquire Myers, I'd drive those guys to the airport. Myers should be a solid LF/RF type for the foreseeable future. He just needs to stay healthy, and yeah, if you put him in a hitters' ballpark, something he's never really been in, he could had some downright scary good numbers. I see no reason why the Padres would have interest in dealing him, especially for Castillo and some questionable prospects. If I were the Padres, I'd want one of the big 4 prospects for Myers.
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Post by jmei on Feb 4, 2016 13:35:24 GMT -5
You are not getting Wil Myers for Castillo and third-tier prospects.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 4, 2016 15:12:51 GMT -5
You are not getting Wil Myers for Castillo and third-tier prospects. Exactly. Which brings up the question of exactly what is the risk worth? Myers is solid defensively as a COF. Big power potential. Plus hit tool. Just an injury mess. He's in the buy-low sweet spot of still having several years of control, but no good years since his first. Lots of nagging injuries, which concerns me but could be an easily-remedied problem or a chronic progressive one. I would love for the Sox to trade for him, but I'm equally wary that whichever prospect goes the other way has a good chance at inducing some seller's remorse. Of the big four, because of the similar defensive value profile and identical offensive upside, I *might* include Devers. But he's the only one. And even if it were Kopech, that'd still hurt. But man, if Myers becomes in MLB what he was in the minors...
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2016 17:36:15 GMT -5
Castillo + Owens + Travis maybe could work. I think Castillo has little value at this point.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 4, 2016 21:51:04 GMT -5
Castillo + Owens + Travis maybe could work. I think Castillo has little value at this point. Well, Castillo has some value as a serviceable CF, since his offensive production makes him about average there. SD has Margot in the wings, but not ready. Castillo's contract isn't good, but it's not atrocious either. I do think he may have substantially more value by mid-season, because I think he's going to get most of the rust shaken off and settle in as an excellent defensive but fringy offensive LF. That would equate to a solid defensive and solid offensive CF. I still think he's going to be a 2-3 WAR player. I'm sure SD, like everyone else, dreams on Myers's potential, but with their holes, and his injury issues, I could see them maybe going for a return like Owens and Travis. It's interesting to me because Myers has really become a giant question mark...will SD do what the Sox did with WMB (who didn't have nearly Myers's hit tool/discipline, to be fair) and simply see this ship out of the harbor or to the bottom of the ocean? Or will they try to play it safe? FWIW, I think the Sox's best-case scenario is that Castillo and a couple of MLB-ready guys like Owens, Johnson, Elias, Light, Jerez, Barnes, etc play well and establish some relative certainty about their ability to succeed in MLB. Given the value of #2/3 starters like Shelby Miller, a young #3/4 like Owens or Johnson might very well, along with Castillo, get that trade done. I'd prefer to trade Johnson over Owens, and I think Travis is a fair 3rd piece (with some value to SD since he's nearly MLB-ready and they need a 1b). SD may want another high-upside piece, too, or an MLB-ready player like Marrero (who I think is going to be a solid second-division starter) with a high floor.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Feb 5, 2016 11:35:57 GMT -5
Castillo + Owens + Travis maybe could work. I think Castillo has little value at this point. Well, Castillo has some value as a serviceable CF, since his offensive production makes him about average there. SD has Margot in the wings, but not ready. Castillo's contract isn't good, but it's not atrocious either. I do think he may have substantially more value by mid-season, because I think he's going to get most of the rust shaken off and settle in as an excellent defensive but fringy offensive LF. That would equate to a solid defensive and solid offensive CF. I still think he's going to be a 2-3 WAR player. I'm sure SD, like everyone else, dreams on Myers's potential, but with their holes, and his injury issues, I could see them maybe going for a return like Owens and Travis. It's interesting to me because Myers has really become a giant question mark...will SD do what the Sox did with WMB (who didn't have nearly Myers's hit tool/discipline, to be fair) and simply see this ship out of the harbor or to the bottom of the ocean? Or will they try to play it safe? FWIW, I think the Sox's best-case scenario is that Castillo and a couple of MLB-ready guys like Owens, Johnson, Elias, Light, Jerez, Barnes, etc play well and establish some relative certainty about their ability to succeed in MLB. Given the value of #2/3 starters like Shelby Miller, a young #3/4 like Owens or Johnson might very well, along with Castillo, get that trade done. I'd prefer to trade Johnson over Owens, and I think Travis is a fair 3rd piece (with some value to SD since he's nearly MLB-ready and they need a 1b). SD may want another high-upside piece, too, or an MLB-ready player like Marrero (who I think is going to be a solid second-division starter) with a high floor. I'd hate to move Sam Travis as he feels like a safety net @ 1B (high floor). Although I know we have to match up with their needs, I would hate to create a "need" for us in a year. We'd be putting our eggs in the Travis Shaw basket & he is 50/50. Moncada has too much athleticism. Devers in 2 years maybe.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 5, 2016 19:39:00 GMT -5
Well, Castillo has some value as a serviceable CF, since his offensive production makes him about average there. SD has Margot in the wings, but not ready. Castillo's contract isn't good, but it's not atrocious either. I do think he may have substantially more value by mid-season, because I think he's going to get most of the rust shaken off and settle in as an excellent defensive but fringy offensive LF. That would equate to a solid defensive and solid offensive CF. I still think he's going to be a 2-3 WAR player. I'm sure SD, like everyone else, dreams on Myers's potential, but with their holes, and his injury issues, I could see them maybe going for a return like Owens and Travis. It's interesting to me because Myers has really become a giant question mark...will SD do what the Sox did with WMB (who didn't have nearly Myers's hit tool/discipline, to be fair) and simply see this ship out of the harbor or to the bottom of the ocean? Or will they try to play it safe? FWIW, I think the Sox's best-case scenario is that Castillo and a couple of MLB-ready guys like Owens, Johnson, Elias, Light, Jerez, Barnes, etc play well and establish some relative certainty about their ability to succeed in MLB. Given the value of #2/3 starters like Shelby Miller, a young #3/4 like Owens or Johnson might very well, along with Castillo, get that trade done. I'd prefer to trade Johnson over Owens, and I think Travis is a fair 3rd piece (with some value to SD since he's nearly MLB-ready and they need a 1b). SD may want another high-upside piece, too, or an MLB-ready player like Marrero (who I think is going to be a solid second-division starter) with a high floor. I'd hate to move Sam Travis as he feels like a safety net @ 1B (high floor). Although I know we have to match up with their needs, I would hate to create a "need" for us in a year. We'd be putting our eggs in the Travis Shaw basket & he is 50/50. Moncada has too much athleticism. Devers in 2 years maybe. I agree that losing Travis would possibly hurt, but I think Myers's huge upside is the gamble you take that for. It would be a lot more palatable if Hanley could play 1st though, I agree. And I'd prefer not to move Devers to 1st if possible. I'm not sold on Shaw either, but he's had MLB success, while Travis hasn't yet played in AAA. Again, all these questions are kinda why I asked about Myers in the first place...it's a fascinating exercise in high-risk, high-reward.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Feb 8, 2016 10:15:01 GMT -5
Castillo + Owens + Travis maybe could work. I think Castillo has little value at this point. Myers is under control for 4 more years. Best case scenario is he is successful here, but also blocks AB. If everyone is successful (specifically JBJ) we will have to trade someone, which I know is good problem, just seems a bit of overkill while losing Owens/Johnson & Travis, if that's what it takes.
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Post by jmei on Feb 8, 2016 13:27:41 GMT -5
I'd hate to move Sam Travis as he feels like a safety net @ 1B (high floor). Although I know we have to match up with their needs, I would hate to create a "need" for us in a year. We'd be putting our eggs in the Travis Shaw basket & he is 50/50. Moncada has too much athleticism. Devers in 2 years maybe. I guess Sam Travis has a high floor insofar as he is likely to reach the majors, but I think there's a pretty good chance that he's never a starting-caliber player. There's also no reason to think that the Red Sox have to fill 1B internally-- it's not like if they trade Sam Travis that they'd be stuck with Travis Shaw at 1B. If there's another team that's significantly higher on Sam Travis than the front office is, they shouldn't hesitate to move him even if he is their best 1B prospect.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Feb 9, 2016 14:32:05 GMT -5
I'd hate to move Sam Travis as he feels like a safety net @ 1B (high floor). Although I know we have to match up with their needs, I would hate to create a "need" for us in a year. We'd be putting our eggs in the Travis Shaw basket & he is 50/50. Moncada has too much athleticism. Devers in 2 years maybe. I guess Sam Travis has a high floor insofar as he is likely to reach the majors, but I think there's a pretty good chance that he's never a starting-caliber player. There's also no reason to think that the Red Sox have to fill 1B internally-- it's not like if they trade Sam Travis that they'd be stuck with Travis Shaw at 1B. If there's another team that's significantly higher on Sam Travis than the front office is, they shouldn't hesitate to move him even if he is their best 1B prospect. When I say it may be overkill to basically trade Owens/Travis for Myers & possibly having 4 starting OF'ers in a year, I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, especially with Myers upside. The 1B position isn't what it used to be. There are very few 30/100 guys out there at that position. Most of them are 20/80 which is fine. After next year though, there are about 20 things can happen at 1B.
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Post by jdb on Jul 23, 2019 13:38:42 GMT -5
Would anyone trust Myers as a bounce back guy for 1B? Rumors have them desperate to unload him and I wonder if SD attaching a prospect or two would make his 14M AAV a decent gamble. I think if we sent Moreland and Pearce the 2019 money would about wash out. Some talk they want to clear his salary for a run at Cole and Strasbourg if he opts out.
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2019 14:25:07 GMT -5
Would anyone trust Myers as a bounce back guy for 1B? Rumors have them desperate to unload him and I wonder if SD attaching a prospect or two would make his 14M AAV a decent gamble. I think if we sent Moreland and Pearce the 2019 money would about wash out. Some talk they want to clear his salary for a run at Cole and Strasbourg if he opts out. That’s risky, but I actually really like the idea. For this year’s purposes, I’d rather just keep Moreland still. But there’s upside and he’s still only 28, put him in a better offensive environment and give him a change of scenery... who knows. Seems like the type of move Cashman would make honestly
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Post by bgeer091 on Jul 30, 2019 11:33:17 GMT -5
Would anyone trust Myers as a bounce back guy for 1B? Rumors have them desperate to unload him and I wonder if SD attaching a prospect or two would make his 14M AAV a decent gamble. I think if we sent Moreland and Pearce the 2019 money would about wash out. Some talk they want to clear his salary for a run at Cole and Strasbourg if he opts out. That’s risky, but I actually really like the idea. For this year’s purposes, I’d rather just keep Moreland still. But there’s upside and he’s still only 28, put him in a better offensive environment and give him a change of scenery... who knows. Seems like the type of move Cashman would make honestly I would see if SD would do a Porcello for Myers swap personally. This would be contingent on another move though. I would move Beni as part of a package to get Thor and Diaz from the Mets. Then make that move with SD. Myers could play LF for us. Not sure the money aspect but it may allow us to call up Castillo as our 4th OF too.
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