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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2018 17:25:22 GMT -5
How's Ockimey's defense looking at first base this year? Anyone noticing improvement there?
He's the guy who's looking like he could be the best Moreland replacement by the end of next season.
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Post by awall on Jul 13, 2018 18:28:23 GMT -5
So Ockimey is creeping up on a .400 OBP and .500 SLG as a 22-year-old in the Eastern League. Glad to see he's hitting well lately (.400/.500/.667 in his last 9). He'd been in a brutal 2 for 37 stretch, albeit with 13 walks, in which he hadn't had a single hit fall in (the two hits were homers). Even with a 34% K rate in that stretch, that's unreal BABIP luck. Was at .294/.394/.514 on June 16 and that stretch torpedoed his line to .252/.376/.463 on the 29th (which isn't even that awful, really). Is it just me, or does it looks like there is a fair bit of similarity in his swing with JBJ? Looks like he has good hands and can hurt bad pitches, but I don’t like the mechanics overall. Has a lot of that same excessive turn in with his shoulder to start the swing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 15, 2018 12:53:50 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 16, 2018 15:56:34 GMT -5
It would certainly help the Sox and the coming salary cap issues if a Josh and Dalbec platoon could man the corners along with Devers until Casas develops. If of course he does. Either way it seems the Sox have something coming up thru the system that should be productive. With the way the system looks you have to find silver linings where ever possible.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 16, 2018 16:07:07 GMT -5
It would certainly help the Sox and the coming salary cap issues if a Josh and Dalbec platoon could man the corners along with Devers until Casas develops. If of course he does. Either way it seems the Sox have something coming up thru the system that should be productive. With the way the system looks you have to find silver linings where ever possible. I think it's more likely that out of Chavis, Ockimey, and Dalbec, that two of three of those guys get traded. If I had to guess who stays I'd say Dalbec. Nobody has his raw power. Chavis' hit tool is only ok, so he's not necessarily going to be a better offensive player than Dalbec. Ockimey's hit tool is in question as well. He'll take his walks and his some HRs, but his defense is questionable. For some reason I think Jon Nunnally when I think of Josh Ockimey. The only way I see him sticking around is if JDM's contract demands are unreasonable, but I think they'll work something out.
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Post by sparkygian on Aug 20, 2018 10:23:23 GMT -5
I think it's becoming apparent by the way that the Sox are playing Chavis everyday at first, and Dalbec at third base, that they consider Dalbec to be the better third base prospect of the two. That leaves Chavis and Ockimey to compete with each other for the first base position in the next couple of years. Being as that Chavis is currently the top prospect for the Red Sox, it would seem that he would have the inside track on that position. Which would mean that Ockimey looks like potential offseason trade bait. I can't recall reading anything about Chavis' play at first base this year since he came back from his suspension, and especially since Dalbec was promoted, and took over third base. Has there been anything written lately about this situation?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 8, 2018 9:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Sept 8, 2018 12:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Apr 27, 2019 8:46:42 GMT -5
In 77 PAs this year, big Josh is hitting .250/.416/.617 with a 19.5% BB rate and most importantly a 24.7% K rate. IMO there's no doubt that he's a better hitter than Sam Travis at this point. ADD: His line vs RHP is crazy good: .306/.469/.755 with 13 BB and 14 K Small sample size of course but we also know from his track record through the minors that he's a righty masher.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 27, 2019 9:45:31 GMT -5
In 77 PAs this year, big Josh is hitting .250/.416/.617 with a 19.5% BB rate and most importantly a 24.7% K rate. IMO there's no doubt that he's a better hitter than Sam Travis at this point. ADD: His line vs RHP is crazy good: .306/.469/.755 with 13 BB and 14 K Small sample size of course but we also know from his track record through the minors that he's a righty masher. And yet the dumbass Orioles would rather play Chris Davis.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 27, 2019 16:48:04 GMT -5
A friend/scout who was in attendance for Ockimey's 2 HR game last night really liked what he saw.
The issues with Ockimey are well-documented: D is poor, starts strong and tails off, can't hit LHP. Haven't seen him, but he's 0-for-11 against LHP this year. That said, he's clearly trimmed down, so we'll see if that helps with the tailing off at the end of the year part. Unfortunately... we need to wait until the end of the year on that one.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 28, 2019 23:00:16 GMT -5
I still maintain that a chunk of his late-season slumps are based on his promotion schedule. He moved up to Double-A on 8/1/17, and up to Triple-A on 8/3/18. Particularly in '17, when the promotion was based (apparently) on the organization wanting to challenge his overly-passive approach rather than because he raked his way out of the league, it makes sense that there was some struggling after that.
But yeah, all the other issues are not going away. And to add to that, it's hard to overstate how slow-footed he is. Unlike Travis, for whom getting time in the outfield was always going to be an option if he couldn't hit like a 1B, Ockimey is a first baseman. He's worked hard to become more soft-handed around the bag, and he looks like he can scoop a throw pretty decently. He still feels like a player who fit a roster better in the era of 11-man pitching staffs. His set of skills aren't really broad enough for him to be a backup in 2019. He might be Brian Daubach, though - someone who can hit righties well enough that he's worth being the front-end of a 1B platoon.
And while "he might be Brian Daubach" might not seem like high praise, Daubach got over 2000 MLB at-bats despite not debuting until he was 26, he hit almost 100 MLB homers (plus a couple in the playoffs), he got a World Series ring, and he's still coaching. It really wouldn't be a bad outcome at all.
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Post by radiohix on May 13, 2019 10:49:02 GMT -5
After 125 PA this far in the season: - He's walking at a 20% clip (2nd in the International League)!!!!!!! - His IsoP is .327 (4th in the IL)!!!!! The guy is 23, it's not like he's a 26-27 who repeated multiple levels in the Minors to pencil him as an AAAA talent. IMO, he should be in the depth charts ahead of Travis. I hope he doesn't get the Buttery treatment where he dominates AAA and still don't get a shot with the big club. #FreeJosh
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Post by jimed14 on May 13, 2019 10:54:10 GMT -5
He definitely would be up if there were a Moreland injury, but I don't see room without that happening until rosters expand.
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Post by Addam603 on May 13, 2019 11:17:27 GMT -5
.069/.229/.276/.504
That’s Ockimey’s line vs lefties. And that’s after his recent two-HR game against lefty pitchers. He’s still young and has time to improve, but major league pitchers would tear him apart.
There’s definitely a future as a right-handed masher though. But there’s no reason to rush him to the majors even with an injury to Moreland. Pearce, Chavis, and Travis should still be ahead of him right now.
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Post by telson13 on May 13, 2019 11:35:07 GMT -5
.069/.229/.276/.504 That’s Ockimey’s line vs lefties. And that’s after his recent two-HR game against lefty pitchers. He’s still young and has time to improve, but major league pitchers would tear him apart. There’s definitely a future as a right-handed masher though. But there’s no reason to rush him to the majors even with an injury to Moreland. Pearce, Chavis, and Travis should still be ahead of him right now. Yeah, I think he ends up the better player when compared with Travis, but he would be exposed badly in MLB. OTOH, he hits righties so we’ll that he’s almost certain to find and keep a DH/1b platoon somewhere. It’d really be something if he could shore up the defense.
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Post by voiceofreason on May 16, 2019 6:21:07 GMT -5
It would certainly help the Sox and the coming salary cap issues if a Josh and Dalbec platoon could man the corners along with Devers until Casas develops. If of course he does. Either way it seems the Sox have something coming up thru the system that should be productive. With the way the system looks you have to find silver linings where ever possible. I think it's more likely that out of Chavis, Ockimey, and Dalbec, that two of three of those guys get traded. If I had to guess who stays I'd say Dalbec. Nobody has his raw power. Chavis' hit tool is only ok, so he's not necessarily going to be a better offensive player than Dalbec. Ockimey's hit tool is in question as well. He'll take his walks and his some HRs, but his defense is questionable. For some reason I think Jon Nunnally when I think of Josh Ockimey. The only way I see him sticking around is if JDM's contract demands are unreasonable, but I think they'll work something out. My thought of having a cheap platoon player at 1B/DH from the farm is looking better at this point. Hope your call on Chavis continues to be off also.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 16, 2019 7:05:14 GMT -5
Ockimey always looks good in the first half of the season. It's an annual thing, impressive first half, depressing second half. Until he puts that behind him, I don't see him permanently in the majors.
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Post by cdj on May 26, 2019 12:12:39 GMT -5
If they let Moreland walk I wouldn’t mind them signing a guy like Howie Kendrick on a 1 yr deal- this would allow them to play Ockimey at 1B against righties and Chavis at 1B against lefties (Kendrick plays 2B)
I think Ockimey has the chance to be a special bat for 350-400 ABs a year
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Post by soxin8 on May 29, 2019 13:29:09 GMT -5
I was listening to the Sox pregame yesterday and I believe I heard Sean McAdam say Josh was taking 800 ground balls a day at first (how long would that take?).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 29, 2019 22:44:03 GMT -5
If they let Moreland walk I wouldn’t mind them signing a guy like Howie Kendrick on a 1 yr deal- this would allow them to play Ockimey at 1B against righties and Chavis at 1B against lefties (Kendrick plays 2B) I think Ockimey has the chance to be a special bat for 350-400 ABs a year Marco Hernandez has Kendrick more than covered for far less $$. (As does Lin).
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