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2016 Red Sox Spring Training News/Discussion
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 21, 2016 15:33:42 GMT -5
Saw one of the beat writers tweet this morning that it's appearing as though it's an "open competition" for the starting 3B role.
I know Shaw is performing and Sandoval is Sandoval, but does anyone think theres anything more than a few percentage points chance that Pablo doesn't get the heavy majority of the starts through at least April barring an injury?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 21, 2016 21:51:31 GMT -5
That sounds about right. It's not as if Sandoval has been a stiff with the bat this spring. There's a good-sized investment in the guy (no pun intended, really).
Besides, if early in the season he does rebound, he has more value in the trade market. That makes a lot more sense than benching him from the get go. Make no mistake, Dombrowski will move him in the blink of an eye if a deal comes along. That is his MO.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2016 7:12:18 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Mar 22, 2016 9:12:27 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 22, 2016 12:41:14 GMT -5
I remember being really impressed with that curve when he first had a big K game with it. I think he may have subsequently lost the feel for it and hence the tightness, and he definitely lost confidence in his ability to throw it for strikes. Meanwhile, I think he travels with the team to Cleveland, but Wright will be in the pen on Opening Day and you really don't need an 8-man bullpen with David Price starting. I'd like to see Marrero get the actual roster spot, as he'll be useful as a defensive replacement at 3B, and then get optioned after the second game of the series, in time for the PawSox opener. (Of course, if Smith has to go on the DL, Barnes is likely to have his spot for the duration.)
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 22, 2016 12:50:29 GMT -5
Man, I really like Chili Davis as a hitting coach. He's got these guys he can tutor, and he's the one to do it. Very under-rated career, a dangerous hitter who understood what he was doing. Just watched Get Shorty again, and I just like the name Chili also!
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Post by humanbeingbean on Mar 22, 2016 14:24:52 GMT -5
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 22, 2016 14:42:43 GMT -5
"expected to pitch this season, but no timetable"- Michael Silverman, Herald
Lovely
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 22, 2016 14:44:02 GMT -5
"expected to pitch this season, but no timetable"- Michael Silverman, Herald Lovely Same injury Andrew Miller had last year. Missed a monthish
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Post by Coreno on Mar 22, 2016 14:50:15 GMT -5
Guess another one of the young arms gets a chance to show what they can do for the first couple weeks out of the bullpen. Prob Barnes, maybe Noe
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Post by iakovos11 on Mar 22, 2016 14:57:51 GMT -5
"expected to pitch this season, but no timetable"- Michael Silverman, Herald Lovely Heckuva lot better than TJ surgery.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 22, 2016 15:13:24 GMT -5
"expected to pitch this season, but no timetable"- Michael Silverman, Herald Lovely Heckuva lot better than TJ surgery. Of course. But given what the word was last night that they didn't really think anything was seriously wrong, I was of the mindset that he had avoided TJ, and at that point, hoped it was just a minor thing. This still could be minor, but we're still looking like at least a month? Obviously it's an easier pill to swallow when you still have Taz, Koji and Kimbrel at the back end, but it hurts depth if anything else were to go wrong. Hopefully someone steps up and makes strides (Barnes?)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 22, 2016 15:37:53 GMT -5
Guess another one of the young arms gets a chance to show what they can do for the first couple weeks out of the bullpen. Prob Barnes, maybe Noe Barnes was probably already making the team though, given that Wright was the leader in the race for the fifth rotation slot. This means Barnes is definitely in. I'd guess Hembree over Noe Ramirez for the last bullpen spot, unless they want to try Marmol on for some regular season games first. I guess Elias is also an option.
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Post by soxfanatic on Mar 22, 2016 15:47:09 GMT -5
Guess another one of the young arms gets a chance to show what they can do for the first couple weeks out of the bullpen. Prob Barnes, maybe Noe Barnes was probably already making the team though, given that Wright was the leader in the race for the fifth rotation slot. This means Barnes is definitely in. I'd guess Hembree over Noe Ramirez for the last bullpen spot, unless they want to try Marmol on for some regular season games first. I guess Elias is also an option. Yeah, I think Wright, Barnes and Elias round out the pitching staff.
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Post by klostrophobic on Mar 22, 2016 15:56:17 GMT -5
"expected to pitch this season, but no timetable"- Michael Silverman, Herald Lovely Same injury Andrew Miller had last year. Missed a monthish Homer Bailey injured his flexor mass as well and ended up missing a full season essentially, so timeframe for Smith is probably something like coming back in May at best or in March 2017.
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Post by borisman on Mar 22, 2016 16:39:54 GMT -5
It's a shame. He looked really good out there the couple of times I saw him pitch. But, we all knew the risk with him.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 22, 2016 19:43:50 GMT -5
Same injury Andrew Miller had last year. Missed a monthish Homer Bailey injured his flexor mass as well and ended up missing a full season essentially, so timeframe for Smith is probably something like coming back in May at best or in March 2017. Yes. As I understand it, the injury involves a tendon tear ( i.e. tennis elbow symptoms) that can take a long while to heal (up to a year) in part because there is very little blood flow to aid the healing process. If so, watch for blood platelet infusion to attempt to accelerate healing and hope that TJ surgery can be avoided.
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Post by telson13 on Mar 22, 2016 20:36:42 GMT -5
Homer Bailey injured his flexor mass as well and ended up missing a full season essentially, so timeframe for Smith is probably something like coming back in May at best or in March 2017. Yes. As I understand it, the injury involves a tendon tear ( i.e. tennis elbow symptoms) that can take a long while to heal (up to a year) in part because there is very little blood flow to aid the healing process. If so, watch for blood platelet infusion to attempt to accelerate healing and hope that TJ surgery can be avoided. If it's a true "strain," it's just inflammation and muscle injury and it'd be hopefully just a month. If it's a "tear," that's something else entirely. If it's a muscle tear, it's less concerning than if he has a tendon tear (rupture) or an avulsion of tendon from muscle belly. Also depends on which muscle(s). There are wrist flexors (flexor carpi ulnaris, flexor carpi radialis), and digital flexors. There's also the brachioradialis, which is involved in forearm motion relative to the elbow. There just isn't enough information to make any sort of predictions based on the info we've gotten.
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Post by beantown on Mar 22, 2016 21:51:30 GMT -5
Yes. As I understand it, the injury involves a tendon tear ( i.e. tennis elbow symptoms) that can take a long while to heal (up to a year) in part because there is very little blood flow to aid the healing process. If so, watch for blood platelet infusion to attempt to accelerate healing and hope that TJ surgery can be avoided. If it's a true "strain," it's just inflammation and muscle injury and it'd be hopefully just a month. If it's a "tear," that's something else entirely. If it's a muscle tear, it's less concerning than if he has a tendon tear (rupture) or an avulsion of tendon from muscle belly. Also depends on which muscle(s). There are wrist flexors (flexor carpi ulnaris, flexor carpi radialis), and digital flexors. There's also the brachioradialis, which is involved in forearm motion relative to the elbow. There just isn't enough information to make any sort of predictions based on the info we've gotten. Smith throws from his elbow with heavy ulnar deviation, particularly when he "slinging" that slider... so if I had to guess I'd assume its a F. Carpi Ulnaris strain. The danger there is that FCU runs directly above the UCL... a danger area where Tommy John is concerned. As Telson says, however, if it's really just a strain, there's no reason to doubt he'll make a full recovery without surgery
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Post by beantown on Mar 22, 2016 21:54:49 GMT -5
For those interested, here's a great picture to illustrate: His unconventional arm slot puts a lot of strain on FCU (the forearm muscle that is visibly bulging out of his arm here as he throws)
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Post by nomar on Mar 23, 2016 9:44:10 GMT -5
Jesus that still photo makes me cringe
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Post by 0ap0 on Mar 23, 2016 10:01:55 GMT -5
Jesus that still photo makes me cringe The photo that will really make you cringe is the fourth one on the wikipedia page for "Flexor carpi ulnaris muscle". No, I won't post it here.
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Post by sarcasmo on Mar 23, 2016 10:50:54 GMT -5
I also watched Chavis and Benintendi hit for awhile on another field. I know Chavis has a hard time making contact during games, but in BP he hits the ball really hard. With Benintendi, I just couldn't get over how small he looks compared with many of the other players. Perhaps that colored my opinion or perhaps he was working on something or not having a good day, but he just didn't look that impressive to me in the short time I saw him.
Finally, I have been to minor league camp 3 or 4 time now this spring and have not seen Trey Ball once. Maybe he is pitching in a minor league game today and so wasn't practicing this morning, but has anyone seen him in camp this year? He isn't hurt is he?
Finally, if you read this site and have not been to the spring training site to watch the minor leaguers work out, you really owe it to yourself to do it at least once. The only problem I have is that since there is practice going on at 4 or 5 fields at the same time I can't figure out which field to stop and watch. But its a nice problem to have!
I was at the park on Friday (3/18) and I did see Ball, in uniform, leaving the practice fields. We arrived late, so he was likely done for the day. For the record we didn't see any pitchers working out, but did see quite a few leaving as we were arriving. Agreed on Benny. He is pretty small. He and Chavis were taking BP together and Chavis was much more filled out and arguably taller. Benny might just be one of those players that generates his power through his swing and not muscles. Reddick (though much taller) was always that way for me. I'm not a baseball guy, so I'm probably not explaining it right.
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Post by sarcasmo on Mar 23, 2016 10:56:07 GMT -5
Back fields are free during the day. If there's a major league game, it'll be $10 for parking (I think) and there may be a substantial wait to get out of the parking lot if you leave around the time the game ends (or to get in if you get there close to gametime). Otherwise, both on game days and non-game days there will be parking attendants to direct you. West Lot parking is best for the back fields, the first entrance if you are headed east on Daniels (e.g. coming from 75). As you walk toward the back fields you'll go by the entrance to the batting cages and clubhouse area, where some fans will wait for autographs. You'll definitely have access to the four main back fields, enclosed in chain link fence with some shaded seating. There's a water fountain but nothing for sale as far as food/drink outside the park gates. (You can definitely bring your own snacks and beverages, there's no bag inspection out back.) Not sure exactly what time they come out to the fields but I usually get there nine-ish and players are out (though not always doing more than stretching yet). Most days you can also walk back to Fields 1 and 2 and the Agility Field, often used for major league workouts and BP, but they usually close off the walkway if nothing's going on. There's a midday break for lunch. Before Wednesday, when the games start, the timing can be hard to predict, but once the games get going it's usually pretty quiet 11:30a-12:30p. There may be some intrasquad games or scrimmages against college teams before things get rolling Wednesday. In case you're a true newbie, there are a few things that happen in minor league spring training that might be unexpected. If a pitcher has thrown enough pitches (which often means he's gotten into trouble) they may decide to "roll it," or end the inning prematurely. On the other hand, if a major league pitcher is getting some work, especially if he makes mincemeat out of A-ball kids (Aaron Cook and his oh-so-tempting sinker come to mind), he may get 4-5 outs before the inning break. Major league batters getting extra work may bat second or third in every inning, lineup be damned, and/or may bat in two games at once. And although the teams will be called "Pawtucket" or "Salem," the actual eventual destinations of players aren't hashed out until close to the end of spring. Thanks! Pretty sure I saw you roaming the practice fields with your giant camera. My iPhone photos just don't compare to yours!
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Post by telson13 on Mar 23, 2016 12:21:12 GMT -5
Jesus that still photo makes me cringe The photo that will really make you cringe is the fourth one on the wikipedia page for "Flexor carpi ulnaris muscle". No, I won't post it here. Yeah, that's a winner.
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