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Spring Training Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2016 14:41:49 GMT -5
over under Porcello 2016 ERA: 4.00? I'm taking the over Jason Mastrodonato @jmastrodonato 3m3 minutes ago Rick Porcello said he doesn't look at radar gun, isn't concerned about spring stats, body feels great and he just made a few mistakes today.
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Post by thursty on Mar 28, 2016 14:45:02 GMT -5
over under Porcello 2016 ERA: 4.00? I'm taking the over Jason Mastrodonato @jmastrodonato 3m3 minutes ago Rick Porcello said he doesn't look at radar gun, isn't concerned about spring stats, body feels great and he just made a few mistakes today. I'm not concerned about spring training results either
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2016 14:47:09 GMT -5
Koji went 1 perfect, 8 pitches, 7 strikes. Pablo not so perfect, 5 innings 0/3 Is there some other game that I'm not aware of?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2016 14:48:39 GMT -5
I enjoyed the segments after Edes when they were talking about Red Sox history. Law is pompous but he's minor league knowledge is outstanding. It's interesting that he differs from everyone else and has Devers as our number 1 prospect and somewhat considerably so. Doesn't seem to be a huge Moncada fan, which is... intriguing. In reality, you could make the top 4 in any order you wish and nobody is going to laugh at you. For Law, I think for Moncada is more along the case that he doesn't think he'll stick at second and he's therefore somewhat of a player with no position. (My words). He has Devers ranked #7, much higher than anyone else but it's still justifiable.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2016 14:51:20 GMT -5
Barnes looks really nasty against the Orioles players wearing #s in the 80s and 90s.
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Post by thursty on Mar 28, 2016 14:51:52 GMT -5
what's up with Barnes? Perturbed about something. Hope it isn't something physical
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 28, 2016 15:02:33 GMT -5
Koji went 1 perfect, 8 pitches, 7 strikes. Pablo not so perfect, 5 innings 0/3 Is there some other game that I'm not aware of? Minor league game, they played against the Rays minors. I don't know what level, just reading tweets.
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Post by mandelbro on Mar 28, 2016 15:14:19 GMT -5
Am I the only one scared we might see Chris Young everyday? I can already hear Farrell's interviews: "He's a veteran, he is a guy that gives you professional ABs" Why are we assuming that Young would logically be anything less than the 3rd outfielder? He's obviously playing whenever we face left handed pitchers. And he might represent the best blend of offense and defense versus RHP as well - the alternatives are Castillo and his career 49 wRC+ versus RHP, Shaw who can hit righties but isn't actually an outfielder, and Holt. I would like to see a Holt/Young platoon in LF personally but I can see the argument for Holt being needed elsewhere.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 28, 2016 15:30:21 GMT -5
Decent catch and tag by Hanley on the pickoff. Interviewing Kieth Law, hasn't said anything Earth shattering but doesn't think Moncada will stick at 2B, thinks he's too big in spite of being agile at his age. He said same thing about Bogaerts for years. Too big to stay at short. How has that worked out?
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Post by sox fan in nc on Mar 28, 2016 15:32:43 GMT -5
I've heard for weeks now that the RS are saying "Young will start vs any LH pitchers"....what are we saying, that even if Castillo had a decent spring, he would only face righties?...He'd hit .180 if he only faced righties. Most ML pitchers are RH.....Does that mean Holt would play LF 75% of the time?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2016 15:39:17 GMT -5
Am I the only one scared we might see Chris Young everyday? I can already hear Farrell's interviews: "He's a veteran, he is a guy that gives you professional ABs" Why are we assuming that Young would logically be anything less than the 3rd outfielder? He's obviously playing whenever we face left handed pitchers. And he might represent the best blend of offense and defense versus RHP as well - the alternatives are Castillo and his career 49 wRC+ versus RHP, Shaw who can hit righties but isn't actually an outfielder, and Holt. I would like to see a Holt/Young platoon in LF personally but I can see the argument for Holt being needed elsewhere. That's the worst scenario I can think of. Young is below replacement level vs. RHP at this point in his career. May as well put Pablo out there.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 28, 2016 15:42:55 GMT -5
Decent catch and tag by Hanley on the pickoff. Interviewing Kieth Law, hasn't said anything Earth shattering but doesn't think Moncada will stick at 2B, thinks he's too big in spite of being agile at his age. He said same thing about Bogaerts for years. Too big to stay at short. How has that worked out? I am not a fan of the "too big" to do X comments. We see "big" athletes in a variety of sports who are flexible and quick - football defensive backs and safeties being among the most notable. Let the guy play the position until he proves he can't handle it or doesn't have the range or first-step quickness or whatever. Or until he forces his way to the majors and needs a position switch to do so, like Mookie.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2016 15:44:13 GMT -5
I've heard for weeks now that the RS are saying "Young will start vs any LH pitchers"....what are we saying, that even if Castillo had a decent spring, he would only face righties?...He'd hit .180 if he only faced righties. Most ML pitchers are RH.....Does that mean Holt would play LF 75% of the time? It probably means that JBJ sits more than he should. I get the signing of Young. He's a good RH bat to have on the bench. But I don't really get why they want to platoon him when he has no platoon partner. And he should not be facing RHP.
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Post by Guidas on Mar 28, 2016 15:49:02 GMT -5
Am I the only one scared we might see Chris Young everyday? I can already hear Farrell's interviews: "He's a veteran, he is a guy that gives you professional ABs" "He just brings a special energy into the game." I agree. Young is player most likely to receive a high level of justification based on Farrell's "Gomes Meter." i.e. subject of such pronouncements as Total gamer, affects the outcome of the game in his own way and makes things happen out there. We may want to even start a pool to see who is first - Farrell or Cafardo - to state that, "When it comes to Young versus right handed pitching, I think you throw the stats out the window." Really need Castillo to step up here to avoid a looming disaster.
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Post by mandelbro on Mar 28, 2016 16:05:15 GMT -5
Why are we assuming that Young would logically be anything less than the 3rd outfielder? He's obviously playing whenever we face left handed pitchers. And he might represent the best blend of offense and defense versus RHP as well - the alternatives are Castillo and his career 49 wRC+ versus RHP, Shaw who can hit righties but isn't actually an outfielder, and Holt. I would like to see a Holt/Young platoon in LF personally but I can see the argument for Holt being needed elsewhere. That's the worst scenario I can think of. Young is below replacement level vs. RHP at this point in his career. May as well put Pablo out there. Young owns a career wRC+ of 83 versus RHP. Fangraphs doesn't break it out for you but his last two OPS's versus RHP are .720 and .585. Splitting that down the middle as a baseline puts him in the realm of pretty bad... and the realm of hitting RHP much better than Castillo. Given the choice of below replacement level and below-below replacement level, what's the manager to do? This is what I didn't understand about the Young signing. He's a good platoon bat but he plays the same side of the platoon as Castillo does. The manager doesn't exactly have enticing options here.
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Post by jmei on Mar 28, 2016 16:07:31 GMT -5
I've heard for weeks now that the RS are saying "Young will start vs any LH pitchers"....what are we saying, that even if Castillo had a decent spring, he would only face righties?...He'd hit .180 if he only faced righties. Most ML pitchers are RH.....Does that mean Holt would play LF 75% of the time? It probably means that JBJ sits more than he should. I get the signing of Young. He's a good RH bat to have on the bench. But I don't really get why they want to platoon him when he has no platoon partner. And he should not be facing RHP. My preferred outfield time splitting would be as follows: - Young: 30% of the time, all in LF, all versus LHP
- Holt: 40% of the time, all in LF, all versus RHP (so a little more than half of the LF, vs. RHP time)
- Bradley: 80% of the time, all in CF, 70% versus RHP and 10% versus LHP
- Castillo: 50% of the time, 30% in LF versus RHP and 20% in CF versus LHP
I'd be fine with that, or something along those lines. Of course, that takes some pretty artful and precise juggling of lineups, which might be beyond Farrell, but in theory, there's a workable solution there.
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Post by jmei on Mar 28, 2016 16:12:13 GMT -5
That's the worst scenario I can think of. Young is below replacement level vs. RHP at this point in his career. May as well put Pablo out there. Young owns a career wRC+ of 83 versus RHP. Fangraphs doesn't break it out for you but his last two OPS's versus RHP are .720 and .585. Splitting that down the middle as a baseline puts him in the realm of pretty bad... and the realm of hitting RHP much better than Castillo. Given the choice of below replacement level and below-below replacement level, what's the manager to do? This is what I didn't understand about the Young signing. He's a good platoon bat but he plays the same side of the platoon as Castillo does. The manager doesn't exactly have enticing options here. Even if he doesn't hit, Castillo adds value in a way that Young does not-- he's a considerably better defender and at least slightly better baserunner than Young. Plus, there's still a chance that getting more reps helps Castillo develop and improve (which is not true for Young), and having Young's bat on the bench gives you a useful pinch-hitter to either use or threaten to use versus LOOGY-types when Sandoval, Shaw or Bradley are up.
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Post by mandelbro on Mar 28, 2016 16:32:35 GMT -5
Even if he doesn't hit, Castillo adds value in a way that Young does not-- he's a considerably better defender and at least slightly better baserunner than Young. Plus, there's still a chance that getting more reps helps Castillo develop and improve (which is not true for Young), and having Young's bat on the bench gives you a useful pinch-hitter to either use or threaten to use versus LOOGY-types when Sandoval, Shaw or Bradley are up. But Castillo was one of the worst baserunners in the majors last year. His value is entirely derived from defensive metrics that we know lack the precision of their offensive counterparts. And on top of his value being entirely reliant on defensive metrics, he rated the highest in LF, which we know to be a UZR graveyard. I'll grant you that he has more projectability left, or that we should give him at-bats to sort out our investment. But I don't get the righteous indignation over Young taking playing time from him when he hits RHP like a pitcher. EDIT: In case you can't tell, my preferred approach would be a Holt/Young platoon in left field, with Mookie playing every day in right field, Bradley playing in center, and cycling Castillo through for Young/Bradley (vs LHP) or Holt (def replacement) where necessary.
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Post by jmei on Mar 28, 2016 17:31:00 GMT -5
Castillo's negative baserunning value last year was largely because he ran into a ton of outs on the basepaths, which is fine in a lost season for a player trying to develop baserunning instincts, but which I think is unlikely to continue this year. It is fair to quibble with the precision of the defensive metrics, but it should be clear that Castillo is a much better defender than Young and that outfield defense is important, even in LF in Fenway.
Your preferred approach is not that different than my preferred approach-- the only difference is whether Castillo gets an extra 30% of the playing time in LF versus RHP or not, which is honestly pretty close to a rounding error.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 28, 2016 17:35:01 GMT -5
over under Porcello 2016 ERA: 4.00? I'm taking the over Jason Mastrodonato @jmastrodonato 3m3 minutes ago Rick Porcello said he doesn't look at radar gun, isn't concerned about spring stats, body feels great and he just made a few mistakes today. Well....not for nothing, he is consistant about his narrative....and his propensity to give up seeds all over the diamond. We really need this guy though, so I am gonna try stay positive about him this year.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 28, 2016 17:40:02 GMT -5
Castillo's negative baserunning value last year was largely because he ran into a ton of outs on the basepaths, which is fine in a lost season for a player trying to develop baserunning instincts, but which I think is unlikely to continue this year. It is fair to quibble with the precision of the defensive metrics, but it should be clear that Castillo is a much better defender than Young and that outfield defense is important, even in LF in Fenway. Your preferred approach is not that different than my preferred approach-- the only difference is whether Castillo gets an extra 30% of the playing time in LF versus RHP or not, which is honestly pretty close to a rounding error. That's fair....but there has to be improvement this year in his overall game. We are on the hook for another 6 years, he's not getting younger, and while the AAV isn't crushing, he would be an expensive complementary piece.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Mar 28, 2016 17:48:49 GMT -5
I can honestly see Rusney Castillo going to Pawtucket for a month to play everyday and try to find himself offensively. Young and Holt as a platoon will be solid for awhile, maybe even for longer. Castillo has yet to show any real ability to impact the baseball consistently. He needs to play everyday.
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Post by jmei on Mar 28, 2016 17:49:35 GMT -5
The thing about that extra 30% playing time in LF versus RHP is that someone has to get it. More Holt or even Shaw might be ideal, but I suspect they'll be needed in the infield for some or all of that time. If it's either Castillo or Young, I'm giving it to Castillo to at least start the season, with a reevaluation coming a couple months in.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 28, 2016 18:56:56 GMT -5
This is the reason I wanted to bring back De Aza. He hits right handed pitching and would seem to mesh better with current roster then Young.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 28, 2016 19:01:16 GMT -5
I can honestly see Rusney Castillo going to Pawtucket for a month to play everyday and try to find himself offensively. Young and Holt as a platoon will be solid for awhile, maybe even for longer. Castillo has yet to show any real ability to impact the baseball consistently. He needs to play everyday. Steve I agree. Castillo does nothing for me offensively. I hope that he comes around (in AAA) but I am beginning to see this as sunk cost...especially at his age 28. We are currently better offensively with Young vs LHs and Holt vs RHs. Neither are as good perhaps as Castillo fielding LF but they are not skunks either. A win in April is worth the same as a win in September.
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