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Post by soxin8 on Sept 5, 2020 14:23:47 GMT -5
Pretty interesting that the Sox have added their #11, #12, #13, #15, and #16 prospects within the last couple of months. They’re still a little shallow on high end prospects, but their depth has gotten so much better this season. Chatham started the year as our 10th ranked prospect and now he’s 17. Wong was #12 and now he’s #20. And it’s not like they’ve done anything to warrant that drop. It’s just been an addition of talent in that 10-15 range in front of them. A good start by Bloom. # 11, 12 and 15 are the first consolation prize for the 9 game losing streak that made clear the Sox were not a possible playoff team. As is being discussed in the game threads, the second will be draft pick order and cap money as well as international spending money. Next year will be a huge year for Bloom and the Sox going forward.
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Post by mwgray13 on Sept 9, 2020 9:05:17 GMT -5
Jhonathan Diaz (Pitcher) is he still with the organization?
Noticed he isn't listed in 2021 projected rosters.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 9, 2020 13:47:02 GMT -5
Diaz is a minor league free agent following the 2020 season.
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Post by mwgray13 on Sept 14, 2020 12:50:46 GMT -5
Diaz is a minor league free agent following the 2020 season. Why not include him on the projected roster like other guys (McGrath, Longhi, etc)? Not saying he is going to be a stud starter for the Sox but he has had a nice little minor league career for the Sox, and arguable has as much upside as Kyle Hart, and more than Daniel McGrath. What don't you like?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 14, 2020 14:21:29 GMT -5
Diaz is a minor league free agent following the 2020 season. Why not include him on the projected roster like other guys (McGrath, Longhi, etc)? Not saying he is going to be a stud starter for the Sox but he has had a nice little minor league career for the Sox, and arguable has as much upside as Kyle Hart, and more than Daniel McGrath. What don't you like? Could easily see him instead of Espinal in Portland. There's just really not a ton of room and there are a bunch of guys coming up behind him. What about his career do you think is particularly impressive? He's been fine for a while but he's an up-and-down guy at best, and they've got a lot of guys coming up behind him. It probably comes down to how aggressively they want to push guys after a year off and with one fewer affiliate. Just saying this in case you don't realize, but we don't project them re-signing every minor league free agent. There are just some spots where it makes sense they might re-sign a guy. But these are complete guesses in a normal year, nevermind one with the mentioned extenuating circumstances. I wouldn't get too hung up on a guy being there or not being there.
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Post by mwgray13 on Sept 16, 2020 9:36:40 GMT -5
Why not include him on the projected roster like other guys (McGrath, Longhi, etc)? Not saying he is going to be a stud starter for the Sox but he has had a nice little minor league career for the Sox, and arguable has as much upside as Kyle Hart, and more than Daniel McGrath. What don't you like? Could easily see him instead of Espinal in Portland. There's just really not a ton of room and there are a bunch of guys coming up behind him. What about his career do you think is particularly impressive? He's been fine for a while but he's an up-and-down guy at best, and they've got a lot of guys coming up behind him. It probably comes down to how aggressively they want to push guys after a year off and with one fewer affiliate. Just saying this in case you don't realize, but we don't project them re-signing every minor league free agent. There are just some spots where it makes sense they might re-sign a guy. But these are complete guesses in a normal year, nevermind one with the mentioned extenuating circumstances. I wouldn't get too hung up on a guy being there or not being there. I'm not jumping out of my seat about Diaz's career but he has been solid if not above average (3.33 ERA in over 500 Milb inning against age advanced hitters). He is a LHP with average velocity (for a lefty), and has the ability to throw all 4 pitches for strikes. Looks like he is capabe of getting both righties and lefties out. He is much better against lefties though. Given the lack of pitching depth, I just figured they would plan to hold on to him, try to develop him as a starter with a more realistic chance of being a reliever. They have held onto Poyner, Hart, McGrath, not sure why someone younger, and more successful wouldn't be held on to. Diaz was/is ranked much higher on other sites. Just thought you had something particular as to why you didn't rank or include him future rosters beyond the contract situation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 16, 2020 21:55:29 GMT -5
McGrath is the only one of the pitchers you mention who hit minor league free agency, and I'd argue they held on to him because they had a dearth of high-minors pitching as much as anything else.
What other site is Diaz ranked on?
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Post by mwgray13 on Sept 17, 2020 12:52:08 GMT -5
Fangraphs Red Sox top prospects. 24th in 2019, and HM in 2020. I
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 17, 2020 21:06:44 GMT -5
Fangraphs Red Sox top prospects. 24th in 2019, and HM in 2020. I I don't read much into their honorable mentions. And we had Diaz ranked in the low 40s to start this season. MLFAs took a hit when we re-ranked midseason.
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Post by soxin8 on Sept 25, 2020 12:44:39 GMT -5
Wallace debuting at 20 makes that whole page look strong.
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Post by manfred on Sept 25, 2020 12:50:54 GMT -5
20% of top-20 come from dump trades this season. Hard not to see that as a great job by the FO. The Sox traded nothing that matters to their future for all that +Pivetta, a post-prospect. Chapeau!
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 25, 2020 14:02:25 GMT -5
Wallace debuting at 20 makes that whole page look strong. Even better, nine of them including Wallace are pitchers.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2020 14:18:49 GMT -5
For posterity, update was Wallace debuts at 20, Chatham down from 17 (I think?) to 21.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 25, 2020 15:09:37 GMT -5
20% of top-20 come from dump trades this season. Hard not to see that as a great job by the FO. The Sox traded nothing that matters to their future for all that +Pivetta, a post-prospect. Chapeau! The full top-20 is above the Chatham Line now, eh?
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Post by manfred on Sept 25, 2020 15:11:11 GMT -5
20% of top-20 come from dump trades this season. Hard not to see that as a great job by the FO. The Sox traded nothing that matters to their future for all that +Pivetta, a post-prospect. Chapeau! The full top-20 is above the Chatham Line now, eh? Eureka! Happy day! Milestone! There IS a future.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2020 8:50:09 GMT -5
I don't know if this affects Bobby Bombs: Prospects 365 Baseball @prospects365 · 2h Don’t know if this has been discussed anywhere, but Jo Adell is no longer a prospect. He didn’t meet the 130 at-bat threshold, but MLB did away with the September 1st rule this season thanks to no expanded rosters. Adjust accordingly. ADD: www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rookie-status-for-2020-amended
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2020 8:54:53 GMT -5
Doesn't. He didn't graduate. Came up 8/30 so he only got a month of service time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2020 8:56:46 GMT -5
Doesn't. He didn't graduate. Came up 8/30 so he only got a month of service time. Yup, just looked. LOL, Good luck with the top 20. Haha but plz don't put Potts at 5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2020 10:24:04 GMT -5
Heh, don't worry.
That said, I don't see much movement unless we get copious reports from the first half of Instructs. We already discussed at length where to add the new guys when they came in, and there really hasn't been a TON of new info. Maybe some tweaks (Houck probably creeps up a spot or two, for example, as I'll admit having thought this through further), but I wouldn't expect a shakeup.
Final 2020 rankings will probably be later in October just due to our schedules.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2020 10:48:37 GMT -5
LOL, no comment
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 5, 2020 10:33:35 GMT -5
Houck should me moved up more than just a couple of spots. I'd put him 5th.
And his tagline should be "Current all-time MLB career leader in ERA+ and bWAR/IP (minimum 10 IP)." The bit about bWAR/IP can be omitted if there's no room.
Of course, this will cease to be true sometime next year, restoring the previous leaders. I already discovered that Juan Pena is the once and future career leader in bWAR/IP.
The once and future ERA+ leader is a guy who pitched 17.1 IP (versus Houck's 17.0) and also gave up 1 ER. He trails Houck after the + adjustment, 895 to 894 (it's not actually that close, because East League ERA was higher than the AL). You remember him. Like Pena, he got hurt and never made it back to MLB.
That's right. Austin Maddox.
BTW, the current ERA+ leader, minimum 20 and 40 IP, is the Braves' Jacob Webb. The ERA+ leader for 50+ IP has 1283.2 IP. It's Rivera's 205.
For minimum 100 IP, 5 of the top 7 pitched for the Sox:
Rivera Kimbrel Wagner Takashi Saito Chapman Carson Smith Papelbon
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 5, 2020 17:42:55 GMT -5
My view is that Houck is a ready now #4 or better and you would need one hell of a system to have 4 players ranked higher than that status. I'd have him 3rd behind Duran and Casas. That would also be the case if he was limited to 150 innings.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 5, 2020 20:01:00 GMT -5
I can see houck getting the 4 or 5 spot.
Downs Casas Mata Dalbec Houck
That's how I see it at least. The fact mata is not ranked in the top 100 is laughable imo. Dalbec just slid into the 100 spot in the rankings and while he has shown plus plus power in the bigs. Mata could be the next guy who has been passed over by the so called professional analyst. They being the analyst do not rate the pitching prospects for the sox highly compared to other farms. If Mata was with LA or Tampa he would be in the top 75 of the rankings. Even houck might be in there after his mlb debut. Disclaimer, this has zero to do with anyone on this site its a shot a national analyst that always over hype some farms over others. You guys do a good job keeping the ratings realistic, while guys like me harp on their favs mine being Mata. It's a man crush I wont be over it until he lets me down hard.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 5, 2020 22:32:49 GMT -5
I think Downs is less advanced than we (I ?) initially thought. Still needs a lot of work on both sides of the ball. The tools are there, the skills aren't. Just my opinion of course, he's unlikely to change in the national rankings. I also think others in the system have passed him as far as prospects go.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 6, 2020 15:34:21 GMT -5
I think Downs is less advanced than we (I ?) initially thought. Still needs a lot of work on both sides of the ball. The tools are there, the skills aren't. Just my opinion of course, he's unlikely to change in the national rankings. I also think others in the system have passed him as far as prospects go. From what I have read is the sox were not worried about his bat. That is why they concentrated on his fielding for the majority of the time this yr. We will not know until he gets on the diamond but his ability to play multiple positions and his bat put him over casas for me. Casas could turn out to be a hell of a hitter but he is stuck at 1b or dh.
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