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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 19, 2016 8:25:17 GMT -5
Can't believe we're close to having kids born in 2000 as prospects. Mata was born in 1999. For the love of Pete it's Monday, man. So carry the 1, =pi squared and I'm a million years old
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Post by costpet on Dec 19, 2016 9:26:21 GMT -5
As I peruse the list of the top 20, I don't see a single one who will help us next year. You can't count Benny because he's already the starting LF next year. In fact, why is he even on the list? Get him outta there.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 19, 2016 9:37:17 GMT -5
As I peruse the list of the top 20, I don't see a single one who will help us next year. You can't count Benny because he's already the starting LF next year. In fact, why is he even on the list? Get him outta there. Because he still is technically a prospect, so they have to technically list him as a prospect.
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Post by joshv02 on Dec 19, 2016 10:03:48 GMT -5
Players in the top 20 (other than Benintendi) who could help in 2017 without an expectation of meteoric rise (i.e., excluding Cosart types): 4 6 7 14 15 20
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 19, 2016 10:11:54 GMT -5
As I peruse the list of the top 20, I don't see a single one who will help us next year. You can't count Benny because he's already the starting LF next year. In fact, why is he even on the list? Get him outta there. What exactly is your definition of "help next year?" Travis, Johnson, Hernandez, Ysla, Martin, and Shepherd are all very likely to be in Boston at some point. No, the next Benintendi isn't down on the farm. But you don't have the next Benintendi come up every year, and this roster doesn't necessarily need that. As for Benintendi, he missed the cutoff basically because of his injury in September, which is why he's still ranked by us and the rest of the national publications. He'll graduate in April assuming health.
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Post by costpet on Dec 19, 2016 10:43:05 GMT -5
In other words, a few temporary fill-ins when people get hurt. Then back down ASAP. Shepherd looks like the most likely to stick and maybe Travis. The rest...blah. Okay, my depression is showing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 19, 2016 20:06:40 GMT -5
If you look at the overall picture with both prospects and non-prospects, we're relatively strong with replacements. We do need a few AAA starters though but every year teams load up on those and the supply seems almost endless.
As I pointed out before, the one a year full promotion stream should also continue with Benintendi, Devers, Dalbec and Groome in the mix.
How many teams are going to have a Swihart hanging around ?
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Post by bluechip on Dec 20, 2016 6:18:21 GMT -5
In other words, a few temporary fill-ins when people get hurt. Then back down ASAP. Shepherd looks like the most likely to stick and maybe Travis. The rest...blah. Okay, my depression is showing. Benintendi is going to be a starter next year. How many prospects do you expect to join a team as regulars in a normal year?
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Post by costpet on Dec 20, 2016 7:46:14 GMT -5
Well, I'd like to see some "potential" starters down there. Devers perhaps. Not much else for years.
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Post by m1keyboots on Dec 20, 2016 17:33:08 GMT -5
Hmmmm. Half glall full we seem to have a few good arms (sheapardx nogosek, cosart, ysla among others) Devers is always lurking as a possibe cornerstone. Mrco and Travis as replacement or possibly worse or better guys, and guys to dream on in Groome, Dalbec and Mata
There are wildcards too wth Ockimey, Kyri and Chavis if he figured it out.
TBH it's not like the club is BARREN, there is a obv lack of top flight potential now with the big 4 gone/gradiating -Kop, Yoan, Esp, Beni.
I can name several teams in the AL alone who would be envious of our Min or leaguers. Angels, A's Royals and Tampa. They definitely don't have the whole perennial contention for 4 years to fall back on
I missed a lot of players, but you have to think that the recent quality of Red Sox minor Leaguers had something to do with the minor league coaches, organization, and in- team competition.
Man things could be much worse I feel like if Sale just defected to us for free there would be some weird discussion about how we have too much talent in the league and below and therefore will jinx ourselves. Or its overboard.
I look forward to a new-ish start
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Post by costpet on Dec 21, 2016 10:02:19 GMT -5
I have a question. I can't find Castillo anywhere. He's not in the top 60. He's not a graduate. Is there a Limbo category? Anybody else in there?
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Post by Mike Andrews on Dec 21, 2016 10:57:50 GMT -5
He graduated.
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Post by dd on Jan 6, 2017 14:40:16 GMT -5
Just a few changes in the bottom baker's dozen.
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Summary:- Josh Tobias, acquired in exchange for Clay Buchholz, is ranked 48th.
- Mike Miller, 57 last time, dropped out of the top 60.
- Jose Gonzalez is ranked for the first time at # 58. He was signed as an IFA back in Marcy of 2015.
- Juan Barriento is no longer ranked, dropping from 59.
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Post by dd on Jan 31, 2017 16:22:38 GMT -5
No changes in the top 30 ... but then in the next 30 ... not much there either.
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Summary:- I think Chandler Shephard's ceiling rose from 2 to 3, but I have a bad habit of missing those changes so it may have happened before now.
- Ben Taylor was the only guy to move up in the rankings. He was 33rd to start the year and is 31st now. He jumped ahead of Jeremy Rivera and Williams Jerez.
- Steve Selsky, claimed off waivers from the Reds on the 25th, is ranked # 44.
- Jagger Rusconi, 59th last month, has dropped out of the top 60.
- I guess you could say that Chris Acosta is another guy who moved up a slot. He was 60 in January and stayed there despite the addition of Selsky, meaning he moved ahead of Rusconi.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 31, 2017 17:44:51 GMT -5
Shepherd's ceiling was changed shortly after the last update actually. Also dropped Chavis' floor at that time. I think those were more correcting things rather than changes, if that makes sense?
And as we've mentioned, Acosta at 60 is a hedge bet. He'll stay there until we hear if he's going to be playing this year or not. Talent-wise he's easily top 20 in this system. Talent doesn't help if you're not playing though.
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Post by juanpena on Jan 31, 2017 17:54:43 GMT -5
Have you heard anything on whether Acosta will play or not?
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Post by dd on Mar 22, 2017 13:01:46 GMT -5
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Summary:- Marco Hernandez and CJ Chatham each edged up a spot to 6 & 7.
- Roniel Raudes is next at 8, up by 2.
- Nick Longhi moved up 3 spots and is 9th.
- Josh Ockimey dropped from 9 to 10.
- Brian Johnson fell to 11 from # 6.
- Travis Lakins is lucky 13, up 4.
- Bryan mata up from 19 to 16.
- Shaun Anderson jumped from 23 to 19.
- Darwinzon Hernandez up to 21 from 27 last time.
- Ben Taylor is # 22, up 9.
- Kyle Martin went the other way by 9, falling to 24.
- Chandler Shepherd fell by 5 coming in at # 25.
- Tyler down from 35 to 30.
- Yankory Pimentel from 22 to 31.
- Lorenzo Cedrola up by 11, now at 32.
- Edgar Olmos shot up from 55 to 35 which is the biggest rise for anybody ...
- except for Jamie Callahan who wasn't ranked in February. He was last in the top 60 at # 56 on 2/5/16.
- Williams Jerez down 33 to 38.
- Yeison Coca and Joan Martinez now finish the top 40, both up by 18.
- Austin Maddox is back in the top 60 for the first time since 4/19/12. He's current # 41.
- The other Yoan (Aybar) fell from 30 to 46.
- Marc Brakeman down from 40 to 48.
- Deven Marrero, 38 to 49.
- Mike Meyers, last ranked last February, is back at # 51.
- Jake Romanski at 52, down from 36.
- Jordan Procyshen down from 39 to 53.
- Austin Rei from 42 to 54.
- Jagger Rusconi is at 56, last ranked in January at 59.
- Santiago & Stanley Espinal (who I don't think are related) are ranked for the first time at 57 & 58. (Born in Santiago, DR, 2 years and 2 days apart.)
- Pedro Castellanos down 12 at # 59.
- Filling out the top 60 is Ramfis Berroa, ranked for the first time.
- Falling out of the top 60 are:
- Emmanuel De Jesus from # 50.
- Junior Espinoza from 51.
- Victor Garcia from 52.
- Hildemaro Requena from 53
- Jhonathan Diaz from 56
- Jose Gonzalez from 59.
- Chris Acosta from 60.
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Post by ryan24 on Mar 22, 2017 19:44:55 GMT -5
rankings vs mlb are fairly close. Two differences. Are Hernandez is ranked by prospects and not by mlb. Lakins is ranked 8 by mlb and prospects has him at 13. Interesting diff on lakins.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 23, 2017 10:48:27 GMT -5
rankings vs mlb are fairly close. Two differences. Are Hernandez is ranked by prospects and not by mlb. Lakins is ranked 8 by mlb and prospects has him at 13. Interesting diff on lakins. Outside of the top 15 or so, which I guess IS half of their list, I'm not sure this is very true. I think that's indicative of a very thin system. The top 3 is obvious, as is Travis at 4. Then you have the next, say, 6 or 7 are obvious, and then you get into that weird cluster of like 25 pitchers where it's basically a toss-up.
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Post by ramireja on Mar 23, 2017 17:38:50 GMT -5
I understand the difference between being ranked #22 and #24-#25 is negligible, maybe even perhaps non-existent. That said, I'm interested as to why Ben Taylor rose to the #22 spot while Kyle Martin and Chandler Shephard fell to #24 and #25 respectively. Is this based on spring looks?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 24, 2017 6:33:24 GMT -5
Taylor is still in camp and is impressing the FO/coaches per the reporting out there. Martin has already been sent back down. Shepherd is still up but it's more impressive that Taylor is given that he was a level (plus) below Shepherd last year.
Also speaks to the fluidity between say, 13 and 26, who are all pitchers either currently in the bullpen, projected to move there, or so far away that even if they have a chance to start its tough to project them to do so with much certainty.
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Post by ryan24 on Mar 26, 2017 15:24:37 GMT -5
rankings vs mlb are fairly close. Two differences. Are Hernandez is ranked by prospects and not by mlb. Lakins is ranked 8 by mlb and prospects has him at 13. Interesting diff on lakins. Outside of the top 15 or so, which I guess IS half of their list, I'm not sure this is very true. I think that's indicative of a very thin system. The top 3 is obvious, as is Travis at 4. Then you have the next, say, 6 or 7 are obvious, and then you get into that weird cluster of like 25 pitchers where it's basically a toss-up. I was only looking at the top 10. mlb likes lakins better than sox prospects. In line with a thin system I find that is a big diff between a ranking of 8 and one of 13.
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Post by dd on Apr 7, 2017 12:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by dd on May 1, 2017 0:22:26 GMT -5
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A new # 1 and 59 players get a change of 1 sort or another in their ranking. Summary:
- Beni graduates from prospect status and Rafael Devers is the new # 1.
- Also moving up a notch at 2 - 7 are Groome, Travis, Dalbec, Hernandez, and Chatham.
- The first real change is Travis Lakins who went from 12 up to the 7th spot.
- Josh Ockimey is up from 10 to 8.
- Michael Chavis is right behind him going from 11 to 9.
- Brian Johnson rounds out the top 10, up from 13.
- Nick Longhi slipped from 9 to 11.
- Roniel Raudes fell from 8 to 12.
- Shaun Anderson up 6 from 19 to 13.
- Ben Taylor up from 20 to 16.
- Jalen Beeks 23 to 17.
- Aneury Tavarez jumped 10 spots up to # 18.
- Luis Ysla down from 15 to 20.
- Robby Scott up 4, 27 to 23.
- Jake Cosart plummeted from 15 to 26.
- Austin Maddox matched that in the other direction leaping from 40 to # 29.
- Trey Ball down from 18 to 30.
- Josh Tobias took the biggest jump this month moving up from 47 to 32.
- Danny Mars up 11, now at 33.
- Ty Buttrey is at 36. He was last ranked 11 months ago at # 42. His high water mark was 17 in July of 15.
- Austin Rei up from 54 to 41.
- Santiago Espinal up from 55 to 43.
- Joseph Monge fell by 7 to # 44.
- Williams Jerez down from 42 to 46.
- Jordan Procyshen at 45, up 8.
- Teddy Stankiewicz from 43 to 48.
- Roldani Baldwin 45 to 49.
- Yoan Aybar 46 to 50.
- Hildemaro Requena is at 56, last ranked in February at 53.
- Hector Velazquez, a February signing from the Mexican League, is ranked for the first time at # 47.
- Victor Garcia finishes the top 60. He was last ranked 52nd in February.
- Falling out of the top 60:
- Edgar Olmas from # 35.
- Mike Meyers from 56.
- Pedro Castellanos from 58.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 6:30:53 GMT -5
Being new, who and how do you decide rankings? Is there a system? thanks
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