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Blake Swihart for Kyle Schwarber.....in about 3-4 weeks.
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Post by jmei on May 4, 2016 13:33:15 GMT -5
I think if you polled neutral observers, a significant majority of them would say Mazara has more value than Swihart. For one thing, I think he has an extra year of team control. He's also trending up while Swihart is trending down, and for better or for worse, that kind of thing can carry a lot of weight to decision-makers. It takes real guts for a team to trade a guy with as much buzz as Mazara for a guy who just got demoted and is playing a new position.
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Post by dmaineah on May 4, 2016 13:36:01 GMT -5
I don't think they need to trade Swihart for Mazara. I can see an Outfield of Benintendi, Bradley & Betts next year with Sam Travis taking over 1B & Hanley becoming the DH. Add Swihart to the bench as the back up Catcher along with Holt, Young & Moncada and the team looks solid for years to come.
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Post by costpet on May 4, 2016 14:35:56 GMT -5
I don't think you want Moncada hanging on the beach. He needs to be playing every day. When Pety decides to hang 'em up, then you bring him in. I also don't think Young is in their plans for next year. Maybe not even this year for very long. He can't hit righties and can't hit lefties anymore. Do you think Dom noticed? His leash is very short. Like tonight. If he goes 0-4, he might not make it to the weekend.
Swihart looks like a good trade piece. He has value, but not for the Sox for a very long time. He could be traded for a good stick off the bench or they could wait until the trading deadline for some pitching help. Either way he's gone.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 4, 2016 14:36:41 GMT -5
I've brought up this trade idea twice in other threads. I don't think Texas does it straight up but their values can't be that far off. I would be very interested. I knew I read a post about Mazara-Swihart but couldn't locate it before I posted here. Texas has Holaday and Nicholas RH/LH combo splitting the C duties. Neither is an A lister and, at their ages, seem to have little upside. I am impressed with Mazara's resume and his performance in his brief trial with the Rangers. It looks like trading a need for a need, though our outfield is not desperate. We could expand the deal by including Castillo and getting a pitching prospect back. The Rangers won't be trading Mazara for Swihart, or Swihart+. It's the equivalent of the Sox being on the prowl for a catcher and trading off Betts. Would you do that trade? If you think that's a stretch then you'll want to catch this where he put Texas ahead against the Jays, and this action where he made sure it stayed that way. Anyone who hasn't seen him play yet needs to make a point to do that. By the time Swihart's value will be high enough to make that trade at his current value, Mazara will have been to a few all-star games. Book it.
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Post by jrffam05 on May 4, 2016 15:19:17 GMT -5
I knew I read a post about Mazara-Swihart but couldn't locate it before I posted here. Texas has Holaday and Nicholas RH/LH combo splitting the C duties. Neither is an A lister and, at their ages, seem to have little upside. I am impressed with Mazara's resume and his performance in his brief trial with the Rangers. It looks like trading a need for a need, though our outfield is not desperate. We could expand the deal by including Castillo and getting a pitching prospect back. The Rangers won't be trading Mazara for Swihart, or Swihart+. It's the equivalent of the Sox being on the prowl for a catcher and trading off Betts. Would you do that trade? If you think that's a stretch then you'll want to catch this where he put Texas ahead against the Jays, and this action where he made sure it stayed that way. Anyone who hasn't seen him play yet needs to make a point to do that. By the time Swihart's value will be high enough to make that trade at his current value, Mazara will have been to a few all-star games. Book it. Yea, Mazara has been good in his first 20 games. His 132 wRC+ is almost as good as Will Middlebrooks 137 wRC+ through his first 20 games. I don't mean to be overly sarcastic, I know there is a difference in the scouting reports between the two, Middlebrooks was a top 50 prospect, Mazara is a top 20, but it wasn't that long ago that Blake Swihart was a top 20 prospect as well. I agree, Mazara's stock is up Swiharts is down, and Texas probably would not want to do this straight up, but I still don't think it's that far off. The definition of that far off being not one of our top 5 prospects (with the 5th being Kopech). This article illustrates the Texas log jam. www.fangraphs.com/blogs/nomar-mazara-and-the-rangers-good-problem/Mostly excluded from that article are Gallo and Brinson, who will both be competing for time in the outfield in the long term. An interesting piece for Texas would be Castillo. Deshields is their only true center fielder, Castillo can give depth and compete for the starting CF spot. It's only an 100 at bat sample, but Castillo has been a better than average hitter against lefties, and that is true of his minor league stats as well. That also makes for a good platoon partner with Shoo. The contract is unattractive, but not unmoveable. So I'll say Swihart Castillo (+$10M cash to make him a $10M player per year) Sam Travis For Mazara Texas probably still is saying no for now, but I don't think it is unreasonable.
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Post by sox fan in nc on May 4, 2016 15:51:16 GMT -5
Not sure of who the Rangers "next in line" catcher in the pipeline is. Obviously they traded their Swihart last year (Alfaro) to get Hamels. If I'm the Rangers & had a chance to receive a good young, athletic, toolsy, catcher, I'd have to pull that trigger...Either one can tank, there are no sure things anymore. There are just so few good young cost controlled catchers in the game (even less than young power hitting OF'ers).
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Post by sibbysisti on May 4, 2016 16:06:30 GMT -5
The return of Vasquez and his confirming that he is a #1 catcher, makes Swihart available. The ESPN announcers, including Aaron *****Boone, have the opinion that Christian could be the best catcher in the league. Then he put an explanation mark on that statement by hitting a mammoth home run. He looks like the real deal.
Swihart, OTOH, is behind him in handling pitchers, blocking balls, calling games but he has the potential to improve in this areas. He wasn't a catcher very much before signing with the Red Sox, so there's still a learning process, thus Pawtucket. He has a better bat than CV based upon ML stats. But looks like the incumbent for years to come is #7.
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Post by ericmvan on May 15, 2016 22:17:52 GMT -5
The Cubs #2 prospect is a catcher, Willson Contreras, and he currently has a 164 wRC+ in AAA. Now, his defense has been questionable, and he also plays 3B and projects to be OK in the OF.
So there's a scenario where Soler hits and Contereas doesn't field where the proposed trade is a great match for both teams this winter, and there's one where Soler doesn't hit and Contreras improves with the glove where it doesn't work much at all.
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