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4/15-4/18 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by telson13 on Apr 16, 2016 18:49:58 GMT -5
Koji busting Donaldson inside hit the 85 mph HEAT is a thing of beauty! I'd say hitters must have a tough time going from him to Kimbrel, but frankly, I don't see enough baserunners for that to happen. Koji could end up being the best setup man in baseball. He is a **pitcher**, no doubt.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 16, 2016 18:54:01 GMT -5
And Gold Glover Hanley Ramirez has been fantastic at 1b. It would be a great time to revisit some of the stuff that was written about him early in Spring Training.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2016 19:10:21 GMT -5
And Gold Glover Hanley Ramirez has been fantastic at 1b. It would be a great time to revisit some of the stuff that was written about him early in Spring Training. Why not go back to when they said he would move to 1B. Lot of people thought him even playing average at 1B could never happen in 100 years, you know because a career infielder couldn't play the OF.
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Post by nomar on Apr 16, 2016 19:17:17 GMT -5
Good win!
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2016 19:53:51 GMT -5
Koji busting Donaldson inside hit the 85 mph HEAT is a thing of beauty! I'd say hitters must have a tough time going from him to Kimbrel, but frankly, I don't see enough baserunners for that to happen. Koji could end up being the best setup man in baseball. He is a **pitcher**, no doubt. Yeah, there's no way the batters that face Koji will be the batters who face Kimbrel.
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Post by kyla13 on Apr 16, 2016 19:54:57 GMT -5
And Gold Glover Hanley Ramirez has been fantastic at 1b. It would be a great time to revisit some of the stuff that was written about him early in Spring Training. The most amazing thing for me is you can now precede 'Hanley Ramirez' with 'Gold Glover' without having to write it in italics.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2016 19:56:54 GMT -5
And Gold Glover Hanley Ramirez has been fantastic at 1b. It would be a great time to revisit some of the stuff that was written about him early in Spring Training. I was totally wrong about Hanley and totally right about Sandoval.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Apr 16, 2016 20:21:58 GMT -5
Now THAT was a beautiful ball game. LOVE CV and the attitude change that seems to have just happened over night.
News Break: I like watching Hanley play (and enjoy) baseball. Never thought I would ever say that.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 16, 2016 20:59:08 GMT -5
I didn't lump Hanley in with Sandoval. I felt Sandoval was a lost cause but that Hanley could be salvaged. His season went to hell when he hit that wall last season, and yeah, he was going for the downs way too often. He thought he had to.
In August 2015 I wasn't too keen on Hanley at 1b, but as time went on I didn't think he'd be a complete disaster. I thought the "he's a dog" routine was totally wrong. Once upon a time I thought he was a complete dog, but I didn't really see much evidence of that last year. I saw a guy who was willing to try LF but had absolutely no clue how to do so. He had zero instincts out there and his position change affected his hitting approach, and then he got hurt. I didn't see a guy who was an attitude problem or bad teammate or a dog. I just saw a guy who had no clue in LF.
I was hoping he'd be mediocre to adequate at 1b (as opposed to Dick Stuart horrendous) and felt he'd be an asset if he could just manage that. I felt his bat would bounce back. Instead you almost wouldn't know that he'd never had played 1b before. And he's doing it with a smile on his face.
I do worry that somehow Hanley will get injured, but if that does happen later in the season the Sox should be covered as it's quite possible Sam Travis could be ready later on in the season. Right now the Sox need Hanley and he's come through.
I didn't think Sandoval would bounce back, and we can see that he's not exactly 17% body fat, unless they were only measuring half of his body. I was hopeful that Shaw could handle 3b and thus far he has so that's working well, too.
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Post by jmei on Apr 16, 2016 21:02:40 GMT -5
Was it really that great of a pitch? It got a swing-and-a-miss from a good hitter, but the pitch itself wasn't that great, it was just set up well. Give me a break. Are you seriously going to try to downplay that?? It's hilarious and the result of an extremely well-executed sequence. Oh, the sequence was great, but the pitch itself was a run-of-the-mill breaking ball in the dirt.
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Post by zimmerdown on Apr 16, 2016 21:09:04 GMT -5
Give me a break. Are you seriously going to try to downplay that?? It's hilarious and the result of an extremely well-executed sequence. Oh, the sequence was great, but the pitch itself was a run-of-the-mill breaking ball in the dirt. No it actually wasn't.
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Post by jmei on Apr 16, 2016 21:21:26 GMT -5
Oh, the sequence was great, but the pitch itself was a run-of-the-mill breaking ball in the dirt. No it actually wasn't. It had the least vertical movement of any breaking ball he threw today and was unremarkable in terms of velocity:
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 16, 2016 22:44:42 GMT -5
I've been clear that I don't like Hanley. But he has done well playing first , and just busted it down the line to beat out a DP. Both good signs for my team. You weren't the only one. I don't know that we all realized how he'd hurt himself last year. I looked at the numbers before and after he slammed into the wall and it became obvious. It had nothing to do with personal character flaws. He was injured. We should all stay away from those judgements. There's one thing that's worth noting about the psychology. There's a world of difference between working very hard at something that is enjoyable because you seem to have the skills for it, and where as you do work you do get better, and working very hard at something you seem to be ill-suited for and don't seem to be learning at all. Most people will not be able to motivate themselves to continue working in the latter situation. Sure, if a guy can do that and keep working at it, and make himself OK, that says something very positive about his makeup. But the failure to do so tells you nothing about how hard a guy will work at something he doesn't immediately find discouraging. A lot of people were skeptical that Hanley would work at learning 1B because he didn't work at learning LF, but we see now that that didn't follow at all. These guys are proud. They like to excel. Imagine how Hanley felt when he realized he didn't have a clue in LF, and you can how eager he must have been to tackle 1B, and why he put so much work into it once he quickly realized he could do it, and do it well, and enjoy learning how to do it. So things like "work ethic" are not monolithic traits. They vary with the circumstances. We first saw Hanley in a situation where his work ethic was a particular mismatch, and then one where it was a beautiful match. I don't think that's an accident. If a player's worth ethic depends more than the average person on his enjoyment of the task and his encouragement vs. discouragement, he's going to quit sooner than the average person when things are going badly, and work harder than the average person when things are going well. That seems to fit what we saw, and it also seems consistent with the personality we see on the field.
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Post by okin15 on Apr 17, 2016 1:08:33 GMT -5
So Tazawa was warming up and now Uehara is warming up. Because obviously Tazawa can't handle the 8th and Uehara can't handle 1⅓ innings (he might have to throw more than 15 pitches OMG). A robot could do Farrell's job and wouldn't want such a high salary for it. Agree. So frustrating.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 17, 2016 7:09:01 GMT -5
You weren't the only one. I don't know that we all realized how he'd hurt himself last year. I looked at the numbers before and after he slammed into the wall and it became obvious. It had nothing to do with personal character flaws. He was injured. We should all stay away from those judgements. There's one thing that's worth noting about the psychology. There's a world of difference between working very hard at something that is enjoyable because you seem to have the skills for it, and where as you do work you do get better, and working very hard at something you seem to be ill-suited for and don't seem to be learning at all. Most people will not be able to motivate themselves to continue working in the latter situation. Sure, if a guy can do that and keep working at it, and make himself OK, that says something very positive about his makeup. But the failure to do so tells you nothing about how hard a guy will work at something he doesn't immediately find discouraging. A lot of people were skeptical that Hanley would work at learning 1B because he didn't work at learning LF, but we see now that that didn't follow at all. These guys are proud. They like to excel. Imagine how Hanley felt when he realized he didn't have a clue in LF, and you can how eager he must have been to tackle 1B, and why he put so much work into it once he quickly realized he could do it, and do it well, and enjoy learning how to do it. So things like "work ethic" are not monolithic traits. They vary with the circumstances. We first saw Hanley in a situation where his work ethic was a particular mismatch, and then one where it was a beautiful match. I don't think that's an accident. If a player's worth ethic depends more than the average person on his enjoyment of the task and his encouragement vs. discouragement, he's going to quit sooner than the average person when things are going badly, and work harder than the average person when things are going well. That seems to fit what we saw, and it also seems consistent with the personality we see on the field. Yeah, I said something similar to that in the offseason, although it was more in a "we'll have to wait and see how it goes at first" context. I wasn't sure how he'd take to it, and then I shifted to thinking that he'd be good at the infielder-type skills of catching grounders and throwing the ball but probably not good at the "new" skill of digging balls out of the dirt and maybe the footwork around the bag. But there's another factor to it all that I see playing out ... in the outfield (or even booting a grounder at SS), your errors are hurting the team but only yourself directly. If you don't dig a ball out of the dirt, though, you are directly hurting the guy who threw it. Hanley obviously knows that from years of being the guy who threw to first base (I'm sure he's gotten errors he thought the first baseman could've saved), and I think it's clear that he cares and takes that part of his job very seriously. He took a lot of joy out of digging out the throw from Pedroia to complete the double play yesterday. He's still got a ways to go on some of the footwork of it (I think he cost Shaw an out when he came off the bag unnecessarily a couple games ago), but it is apparent that he cares a lot about it and is trying really hard to get it right.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 17, 2016 8:28:48 GMT -5
What is the reasoning behind putting both Hernández and Rutledge on the team, in addition to Holt? Seems like what would make the most sense is someone to platoon with Young and then let Holt be the super utility guy again with Hernández as the the backup infielder.
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 17, 2016 10:52:36 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, RF Xander Bogaerts, SS David Ortiz, DH Hanley Ramirez, 1B Travis Shaw, 3B Chris Young, LF Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Ryan Hanigan, C Marco Hernandez, 2B
We may still win this game, but I have to say: Young? Whyyyyyyy??? Is Brock Holt hurt or is Farrell being Farrell?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 17, 2016 11:08:52 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, RF Xander Bogaerts, SS David Ortiz, DH Hanley Ramirez, 1B Travis Shaw, 3B Chris Young, LF Jackie Bradley Jr., CF Ryan Hanigan, C Marco Hernandez, 2B We may still win this game, but I have to say: Young? Whyyyyyyy??? Is Brock Holt hurt or is Farrell being Farrell? Its Farrell being Farrell. He did literally the exact same thing last Sunday. Dombrowski needs to acquire a bona fide bat to platoon with Young or he is going to keep doing this.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 17, 2016 11:11:24 GMT -5
And with a morning game tomorrow against a lefty it makes even less sense. Just wait a day and play Young tomorrow.
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Post by bosox89 on Apr 17, 2016 11:14:37 GMT -5
Farrell's weekly Sunday give away game. Hes been doing this for years.
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Post by mgoetze on Apr 17, 2016 11:52:15 GMT -5
And with a morning game tomorrow against a lefty it makes even less sense. Just wait a day and play Young tomorrow. But that would be like playing Tazawa in the 8th or Koji in the 7th. You just can't do it. I mean, I've been calling for Farrell to be fired for at least a year now, there's nothing new to add...
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 17, 2016 12:31:32 GMT -5
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Post by ianrs on Apr 17, 2016 12:36:39 GMT -5
Farrell truly has no clue. The worst part about the whole thing is that he is sending mixed signals to Young that Young's role includes starts against RHP, which should just not be the case on this team.
Interesting to see Hernandez getting the start at 2B.
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 17, 2016 12:38:50 GMT -5
It's a pity with this Young nonsense. Had Young not inexplicably be put in this lineup today, we'd be talking about Hernandez' debut.
Good luck to the kid.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 17, 2016 12:45:48 GMT -5
Bautista timed that beautifully on a knuckleball. Guy can hit.
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