radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Apr 15, 2016 15:36:06 GMT -5
I don't want this to be understood as a bashing of Swihart's game but when you read the scouting reports (not this site but the ones given by Keith Law, BP, Sickels etc) when he was in the minors, I remember reading that his "defensive game was coming along" and "he's been turning those tools into skills", heck there was even a study at BP that he's the second best pitch framer in the minors! but when he came out to the big club, he looked like s*** and we've been asked to be patient with him 'cause he was rushed and he needed to learn the pitching staff on the fly (completely understandable). This year too, we've been reading/hearing during ST that his defensive game was coming along and he still looked below avg down there. Is he a slow learner (Varitek was like his personal coach for a long period of time now) or are they just hiding his struggles because they lack other options?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 15, 2016 15:38:12 GMT -5
That's terrible. What a blow to the development of one of your foundational players. Terribly orchestrated by Dombrowski all around. I'm guessing you're being sarcastic. Move back to AAA probably helps him in the long run. If he wants to learn how to become a catcher.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 15, 2016 15:40:52 GMT -5
What's the point in having both Rutledge and Hernandez on the roster? This could be a showcase? I'm not usually one for trade proposals, but how about Hanigan and Hernandez on the block? That might bring back a substantial return.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 15, 2016 15:41:03 GMT -5
“@bradfo: Dombrowski: There’s a great dealing going on in Sandoval’s shoulder. No specifics now. Heading for 2nd opinion. Swihart to get work in LF”
“@timbritton: Swihart will see time in LF while in Pawtucket.”
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 15, 2016 15:43:22 GMT -5
“@ryanhannable: Dombrowski said Red Sox want both Swihart and Vazquez as part as their future, which is why they want Swihart to play another position.”
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 15, 2016 15:46:32 GMT -5
That's terrible. What a blow to the development of one of your foundational players. Terribly orchestrated by Dombrowski all around. The goal this year is to win games, not avoid hurting feelings.
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Post by malynn19 on Apr 15, 2016 15:47:01 GMT -5
Well the Savior is back, So now we will get all those strike BS missed, our Team ERA will drop by 3 runs and no one will dare steal a base on us ever again. WS here we come!
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 15, 2016 15:48:25 GMT -5
I'm just looking forward to watching CV pop up and point his glove at the pitcher, called third strike in the mitt and fire raging in his eyes. The kid oozes leadership. Too bad the Sox will be down 4 runs if this happens during a Kelly, Porcello or Buchholz game lol It's a shame they can't change the entire pitching staff in one move. smh
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 15, 2016 15:50:05 GMT -5
“@timbritton: What’s the endgoal of exposing Swihart to LF? Dombrowski: ”I can’t even tell you what the goal is.“”
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 15, 2016 15:51:56 GMT -5
“@timbritton: What’s the endgoal of exposing Swihart to LF? Dombrowski: ”I can’t even tell you what the goal is.“” To destroy his value? I mean they could trade him for a far better LF if that's what they want.
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Post by nomar on Apr 15, 2016 15:54:10 GMT -5
What a waste of time.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 15, 2016 16:12:06 GMT -5
That's terrible. What a blow to the development of one of your foundational players. Terribly orchestrated by Dombrowski all around. I'm guessing you're being sarcastic. Move back to AAA probably helps him in the long run. If he wants to learn how to become a catcher. Yea, seems like they really have a comprehensive plan for him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 15, 2016 16:12:43 GMT -5
Well the Savior is back, So now we will get all those strike BS missed, our Team ERA will drop by 3 runs and no one will dare steal a base on us ever again. WS here we come! A savior he's not. He is however, one of the best defensive catchers in the game. That does count for something. Those of you pissing and moaning haven't been paying attention. The FO let it be known from the get-go that Vazquez would have the job back once he was deemed ready. Here he is. And why wouldn't you get Swihart 2 or 3 more positions, something that's been suggested on this board more than once? He's athletic as hell. Imagine having every position covered, including catcher, with two guys like he and Holt. Clear your mind and think about what that would mean for the team. With Ortiz gone, there's another 700 PAs to share with everybody. I like it
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Post by cba82 on Apr 15, 2016 16:20:48 GMT -5
Only 4 OF now? Get ready for more Young versus righties... You know who'd be a good option right now? David Murphy Thank you. I really question the wisdom of letting Murphy walk, since it was never clear how much playing time Castillo was going to get in the first place, so why did they even add him to the 25-man roster on opening day?
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radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Apr 15, 2016 16:23:38 GMT -5
Well the Savior is back, So now we will get all those strike BS missed, our Team ERA will drop by 3 runs and no one will dare steal a base on us ever again. WS here we come! A savior he's not. He is however, one of the best defensive catchers in the game. That does count for something. Those of you pissing and moaning haven't been paying attention. The FO let it be known from the get-go that Vazquez would have the job back once he was deemed ready. Here he is. And why wouldn't you get Swihart 2 or 3 more positions, something that's been suggested on this board more than once? He's athletic as hell. Imagine having every position covered, including catcher, with two guys like he and Holt. Clear your mind and think about what that would mean for the team. With Ortiz gone, there's another 700 PAs to share with everybody. I like it This. There's another thing you pointed out few years back Norm: When CV get acclimated to a level, he starts to rack! The thing with Vazquez is that he just needs to hit at a league avg to be one the team best 3 players.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 15, 2016 16:24:08 GMT -5
Gonna be funny when Vazquez blows out his elbow again and DD has to go crawling back to Swihart
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Post by radiohix on Apr 15, 2016 16:26:09 GMT -5
Gonna be funny when Vazquez blows out his elbow again and DD has to go crawling back to Swihart No it's not!
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Post by cba82 on Apr 15, 2016 16:27:03 GMT -5
"“@bradfo: Dombrowski: There’s a great dealing going on in Sandoval’s shoulder. No specifics now. Heading for 2nd opinion." -- This is not a bad outcome, in my opinion. Take your time, Pablo.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2016 16:30:14 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Swihart will see time in LF while in Pawtucket.” The Kimbrel trade really is the gift that keeps on giving.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 15, 2016 16:31:21 GMT -5
“@timbritton: What’s the endgoal of exposing Swihart to LF? Dombrowski: ”I can’t even tell you what the goal is.“” I apologize in advance for all caps, but: THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TELL ME, DAVE.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 15, 2016 16:40:50 GMT -5
What's the point in having both Rutledge and Hernandez on the roster? The only thing I can think of is that Holt can now be a full-time outfielder, with Rutledge backing up 2B/3B and Hernandez backing up SS. But that seems a waste of Holt's versatility. I think Castillo would be a better use of Rutledge's roster spot, but I guess they want him playing full-time in AAA. I think that if they had to do it over again, they might nor have bothered with Rutledge. I thought that was a very odd choice and mostly indicated that they wanted both Hernandez and Marrero to sit on the bench. Most teams carry one normal and one supplementary backup MI, a guy who can play 2B and/or 3B in a pinch. The original roster had Holt as the regular and Shaw as the supplement, with Hanley as emergency depth. With Holt's ability to move from LF, you don't need Rutledge at all. You'd just as soon have Hernandez on the bench as Sandoval, and in fact probably prefer it. But in both talent and usefulness, Rutledge is a huge downgrade from Castillo. I'd almost rather have a 13th pitcher. That's terrible. What a blow to the development of one of your foundational players. Terribly orchestrated by Dombrowski all around. I'd bet money that Swihart had been told privately that he was going to Pawtucket as soon as CV was ready, pretty much regardless of how well he did. Because that has always been the logical move. Swihart struggling defensively probably accelerated the time table a week, that's all. He can now go down and have the AAA season he never really got to have.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 15, 2016 16:42:17 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Swihart will see time in LF while in Pawtucket.” The Kimbrel trade really is the gift that keeps on giving. Swihart in left is horrendous. But the Kimbrel trade has nothing to do with it. Margot sucks against righties, and sucked in winter ball and thus far this year (facing almost all righties.) Another OFer who can only hit lefties is not what this team needs.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Apr 15, 2016 16:54:56 GMT -5
If you really want to hold onto Swihart because you believe in him a lot and you don't want to waste years of control maybe you do give him 10-15 games in left field and enable him to come back up this year as a 5th OF, back up catcher. He is very athletic and probably can be even an average defender in LF with a decent bat. An injury back up at catcher is a huge plus for the team and which team would be in a better situation in that regard going forward? Catchers get hurt a lot. With both Holt and guys like a Left field capable Swihart on this team maybe you can carry an extra reliever instead of a conventional 5th OF. I have no problem with this decision.
I'd still trade Hannagan instead but I have no problem with this as a short term move.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 15, 2016 17:08:53 GMT -5
If you really want to hold onto Swihart because you believe in him a lot and you don't want to waste years of control maybe you do give him 10-15 games in left field and enable him to come back up this year as a 5th OF, back up catcher. He is very athletic and probably can be even an average defender in LF with a decent bat. An injury back up at catcher is a huge plus for the team and which team would be in a better situation in that regard going forward? Catchers get hurt a lot. With both Holt and guys like a Left field capable Swihart on this team maybe you can carry an extra reliever instead of a conventional 5th OF. I have no problem with this decision. I'd still trade Hannagan instead but I have no problem with this as a short term move. Wait, isn't making him a bench player on the ML roster the way you waste years of control?
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Post by libertine on Apr 15, 2016 17:14:47 GMT -5
Well I fully expect the team ERA to go down 3 full runs and the club to win at least 25 of their next 30...or it will be CV's fault.
It seems the woes of the same mediocre pitching staff have all been pinned on Swihart (by some here and in the Boston media). So if it doesn't immediately change who will be the next escapegoat.
Please trade Swihart Boston. I'd rather see him develop into an all-star somewhere else rather than watch this club screw up his development.
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