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Post by humanbeingbean on Apr 24, 2016 23:13:57 GMT -5
In an alternate reality, an uninjured Carson Smith is the primary set-up man to the lights-out, closing Koji, Tazawa is well cared for and the daunting 7th-inning man, and Heath Hembree is given a fair shot at accumulating appearances. Craig Kimbrel is nowhere in sight, Manuel Margot is tearing it up in the heart of the Pawtucket order along with Sam Travis and Marco Hernandez, and Javier Guerra, Carlos Asuaje, and Logan Allen are all performing well.
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 24, 2016 23:14:40 GMT -5
I hope Margot is the next Bryce Harper just to piss this board off haha This "board" was already pissed the day the Kimbrel trade happened.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 24, 2016 23:16:18 GMT -5
I would love for all the sycophants who praised Dombrowski and the patently absurd trade to issue mea culpas By the end of the year Kimbrel will have put up his usual numbers
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Post by templeusox on Apr 24, 2016 23:18:06 GMT -5
I would love for all the sycophants who praised Dombrowski and the patently absurd trade to issue mea culpas By the end of the year Kimbrel will have put up his usual numbers And he'll still be a reliever. And there's no reality where you give up that package of prospects for a reliever.
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Post by ajs1994 on Apr 24, 2016 23:18:29 GMT -5
I think Kimbrel will be fine in the long run, and a very good closer. But this bad start has done little to change my opinion that the trade was patently absurd.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 24, 2016 23:18:46 GMT -5
I hope Margot is the next Bryce Harper just to piss this board off haha This "board" was already pissed the day the Kimbrel trade happened. Yeah pretty much. I remember when the thought of a Henry Owens trade would caused a riot in the Sox Prospects community. Now he wouldn't even be the centerpiece in a trade for a #2. Remember Cecchini? He was untradeable too lol
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 24, 2016 23:19:14 GMT -5
By the end of the year Kimbrel will have put up his usual numbers And he'll still be a reliever. And there's no reality where you give up that package of prospects for a reliever. Exactly this.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 24, 2016 23:19:31 GMT -5
I hope everyone enjoys gloating about Kimbrel failures realizes that the trade was intended to address a beleagured bullpen. You can try to call yourselves the smartest guys in the room all you want...but it won't change the fact the impetus of the trade was not to give away prospects for an overrated relief pitcher position....it was to improve the bullpen. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out well yet, but there is plenty of time for it too.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Apr 24, 2016 23:19:40 GMT -5
By the end of the year Kimbrel will have put up his usual numbers And he'll still be a reliever. And there's no reality where you give up that package of prospects for a reliever. It's happened several times, so I'm gonna go with their is a reality where that exists.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 24, 2016 23:20:16 GMT -5
By the end of the year Kimbrel will have put up his usual numbers And he'll still be a reliever. And there's no reality where you give up that package of prospects for a reliever. thank you.
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Post by thursty on Apr 24, 2016 23:20:54 GMT -5
This "board" was already pissed the day the Kimbrel trade happened. Yeah pretty much. I remember when the thought of a Henry Owens trade would caused a riot in the Sox Prospects community. Now he wouldn't even be the centerpiece in a trade for a #2. Remember Cecchini? He was untradeable too lol It is better to be considered a fool and keep your mouth shut, than open it and be proved one
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 24, 2016 23:21:30 GMT -5
I still stand by my opinion that the trade was ridiculous and an overpay but Kimbrel is a great player so while he's not worth it, it could be worse. He's a miss, but a good kind. It was a preposterous pitch to Rasmus though.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 24, 2016 23:22:31 GMT -5
1 pitch, 1 out.
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Post by ajs1994 on Apr 24, 2016 23:22:56 GMT -5
I hope everyone enjoys gloating about Kimbrel failures realizes that the trade was intended to address a beleagured bullpen. You can try to call yourselves the smartest guys in the room all you want...but it won't change the fact the impetus of the trade was not to give away prospects for an overrated relief pitcher position....it was to improve the bullpen. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out well yet, but there is plenty of time for it too. Right, but I don't even think that's the problem here. There's a consistent argument there were other, better ways to do that. And the argument Kimbrel is such a massive upgrade over any free agents that we had to give up top prospects as well as pay his market-value contract doesn't look any better than it did a few months ago. I do still like the Carson Smith trade.
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Post by bosox89 on Apr 24, 2016 23:25:04 GMT -5
Farrell would have gotten his head ripped off if Correa took Barnes deep there No, he wouldn't have. For once he made a move that actually made sense, going to a guy who can give you multiple innings when your starter is struggling. Had nothing to do with going to Barnes. Altuve's foot clearly came off the base on that steal in the 5th and Farrell didnt even get out of his seat lol. Didnt matter because Barnes ended up striking out Correa and ending the inning on the next pitch, but still...
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Post by templeusox on Apr 24, 2016 23:25:51 GMT -5
Why does this team so willfully give away AB's in the late innings? They've been doing this all year.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Apr 24, 2016 23:27:38 GMT -5
I hope everyone enjoys gloating about Kimbrel failures realizes that the trade was intended to address a beleagured bullpen. You can try to call yourselves the smartest guys in the room all you want...but it won't change the fact the impetus of the trade was not to give away prospects for an overrated relief pitcher position....it was to improve the bullpen. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out well yet, but there is plenty of time for it too. Right, but I don't even think that's the problem here. There's a consistent argument there were other, better ways to do that. And the argument Kimbrel is such a massive upgrade over any free agents that we had to give up top prospects as well as pay his market-value contract doesn't look any better than it did a few months ago. I do still like the Carson Smith trade. The Smith deal was a good one, especially as we got Elias out of it who could still be useful.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 24, 2016 23:28:54 GMT -5
Heath Hembree: A long-man, according to John Farrell
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Post by dcsoxfan on Apr 24, 2016 23:29:07 GMT -5
Thee worst part of all this is that we cant even blame Farrell for once. Blame Dombrowski No blame John Henry. From Carl Crawford to Pablo Sandoval to Craig Kimbrel, the GM's change but the bad decisions are a constant. The problem is that the Red Sox keep thinking they are better than they are and every year the GM has to make too many big moves in order to meet those expectations and when you have to make that many moves the odds of a number of them blowing up in your face increases. Prospects become baseball players at the same pace as boys become men and sometimes you just have to wait for them to do so. The best teams, the teams that win year in and year out are the ones that understand this.
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Post by humanbeingbean on Apr 24, 2016 23:30:28 GMT -5
This team has lacked heart. There's been no intensity or passion in their play this season. There was under Lovullo though, and throughout 2013, for obvious reason(s). I'm obviously a fan of looking at baseball through statistical analysis and whatnot, otherwise I wouldn't be here, but there has to be something to having a "purpose" behind your play - some sort of unity behind everyone to get everybody going. We need some sort of catalyst or a brand or something, and I definitely don't mean to suggest that the 2013 attacks were a positive in any form. Even if there's no actual (or provable) correlation between chemistry and performance, this Sox team just looks out of it sometimes. A lot of the time. They just need some unity... something!
Add: Heath Hembree has been amazing and needs a more prominent role.
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Post by bosox81 on Apr 24, 2016 23:33:45 GMT -5
On the plus side, Hembree's been pretty good.
EDIT: In fact, outside of Kimbrel, the bullpen has been outstanding.
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Post by Coreno on Apr 24, 2016 23:37:09 GMT -5
On the plus side, Hembree's been pretty good. EDIT: In fact, outside of Kimbrel, the bullpen has been outstanding. This is just referring to tonight, correct?
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Post by humanbeingbean on Apr 24, 2016 23:38:12 GMT -5
Travis really has a great swing.
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Post by thursty on Apr 24, 2016 23:38:22 GMT -5
Do you bunt here?
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Post by atzar on Apr 24, 2016 23:40:36 GMT -5
Heath Hembree: A long-man, according to John Farrell It's time to test this dude with some late (non-damage control) innings, I think. He's been dominant since he came up. He could really help us keep Tazawa and Uehara fresh, if this is for real.
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