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Post by costpet on May 7, 2016 8:01:09 GMT -5
If he had kept his mouth shut on the strike before, he would have walked on the last pitch. But, because he threw a fit, the next pitch was going to be called a strike unless it was w a y out of the zone. You could see it coming. It was an umpire's FU strike.
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Post by wcp3 on May 7, 2016 8:02:14 GMT -5
MLB umpires are the worst people.
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Post by bosox81 on May 7, 2016 8:07:33 GMT -5
If he had kept his mouth shut on the strike before, he would have walked on the last pitch. But, because he threw a fit, the next pitch was going to be called a strike unless it was w a y out of the zone. You could see it coming. It was an umpire's FU strike. I actually agree with this. I love Ortiz, but he overdid it on the 3-1 pitch. Still, Ron Kulpa needs to grow up. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 7, 2016 8:07:46 GMT -5
Good way to add politics to a baseball thread and I'm guessing a lot of posters think you are giving him too much credit for intelligence. Fascinating. Tell me more. This isn't a political forum. Not everyone will agree or disagree with your political views but either way, they don't belong here. Is that straight enough language that you understand the point ? |
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Post by humanbeingbean on May 7, 2016 8:20:56 GMT -5
If he had kept his mouth shut on the strike before, he would have walked on the last pitch. But, because he threw a fit, the next pitch was going to be called a strike unless it was w a y out of the zone. You could see it coming. It was an umpire's FU strike. I actually agree with this. I love Ortiz, but he overdid it on the 3-1 pitch. Still, Ron Kulpa needs to grow up. If an umpire is going to let the batter's justified reaction to an awful call affect the next pitch, in such a critical at bat, then he doesn't deserve to be umpiring in the Majors. There's no justifying Kulpa's strike zone nor how he handled Ortiz's at bat. There's no pinning this on Ortiz. |
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Post by burythehammer on May 7, 2016 8:30:44 GMT -5
Fascinating. Tell me more. This isn't a political forum. Not everyone will agree or disagree with your political views but either way, they don't belong here. Is that straight enough language that you understand the point ? It's not a Humorless Whining forum last time I checked either, boss. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 7, 2016 8:38:48 GMT -5
OK sweetheart, whatever you say.
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Post by Guidas on May 7, 2016 8:40:45 GMT -5
The techology exists to replace umpires calling balls and strikes. For a league comcerned with game time this would speed up the game significantly and improve it's integrity. Umpires could still be used for fair-foul and safe-out, balks, etc. It seems beyond ridiculous to let this go on, especially with the tools that show how capricious the strike zone has become in the last few years.
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Post by burythehammer on May 7, 2016 8:42:21 GMT -5
That's all well and good until Papi destroys the robot ump with his bat.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 7, 2016 8:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on May 7, 2016 8:50:16 GMT -5
I was late to the party for the game, and the moment I turned it on Porcello gives up the shot to Aaron Hicks. Could you do us all a favor and not tune into anymore games then?  |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 7, 2016 8:55:48 GMT -5
I was late to the party for the game, and the moment I turned it on Porcello gives up the shot to Aaron Hicks. Could you do us all a favor and not tune into anymore games then? lol, I was thinking this was all his fault. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 9:07:36 GMT -5
Just my quick reaction from the Game 1 of the series.
I looked at the replay of the called strike on 3-1. The catcher's reception of the pitch made it look much worse than it really was. Look at the replay again and determine where it crossed the plate. Was it a bad call? Yes. Was it as egregious as some people here have suggested? No. It may have been a few inches off the plate, not two feet.
At any rate, the Sox had plenty of chances. They had 15 baserunners by my count and had multiple opportunities to break through, but just couldn't come up with that big hit when they needed it. A disappointing loss, for sure. But if the Sox are the kind of team I hope they are, they will channel any frustration from last night and show up ready to play today. That's what good teams do, and it's what the Sox will need to do if they want to be serious contenders.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 7, 2016 9:07:57 GMT -5
If he had kept his mouth shut on the strike before, he would have walked on the last pitch. But, because he threw a fit, the next pitch was going to be called a strike unless it was w a y out of the zone. You could see it coming. It was an umpire's FU strike. This is true in a vaccuum, but context is important. He had shown great patience to get it to 3-1. In my eyes the 3-1 pitch was an egregious missed call. And the exhibits show that to be the case. It is an emotional game and it's the bottom of the ninth and he has a chance to win the game. To expect that he wouldnt have any reaction that strike call, it would seem hard for anyone not to get emotional about that. It is the umpires duty to understand that also and not take it personally. |
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Post by ericmvan on May 7, 2016 9:26:57 GMT -5
Abraham's game story in the Globe doesn't mention that the ball four was low. Seriously. |
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Post by bosox89 on May 7, 2016 9:29:22 GMT -5
Seeing a ton of talk on the interwebs about the 3-1 pitch, ignoring the fact that the 3-2 pitch missed by 5 1/2 inches.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 7, 2016 9:38:06 GMT -5
I have seen reports that Kulpa missed 31 balls/strikes last night which is gross incompetence. I suspect that Ortiz and Farrell will get fined for their actions last night but Kulpa also deserves some financial penalty for impersonating an umpire last night.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 7, 2016 9:41:11 GMT -5
The technology exists to replace umpires calling balls and strikes. For a league concerned with game time this would speed up the game significantly and improve it's integrity. Umpires could still be used for fair-foul and safe-out, balks, etc. It seems beyond ridiculous to let this go on, especially with the tools that show how capricious the strike zone has become in the last few years. I was half-watching towards the end of the game last evening, as my wife had just gotten back after being gone all day, and we were talking. But I did catch most of the action in the top of the ninth. There's a huge problem for MLB, one hinted at by guidas. They want to have it both ways, touting the fantastic technology they've helped develop, but refusing to make full use of it to better the game itself. That isn't going to work, not in this day and age. The game will get eaten alive on social media, at a time when they're trying to increase the involvement of millenials no less, and then killed off by the older media organs who are running to catch up these days. It's inevitable. There's a way to incorporate technology while keeping umpires in the loop. Use it to evaluate them, and then to upgrade or downgrade them accordingly. Use Pitch F/x to establish grades on a game by game basis. If you're game calling falls below a threshold over a specific period of time - say 20 games - you lose your turn behind the plate. Do it often enough and you're up for review. You've still got the umpires and you're using the technology the way it should be used to incrementally and progressively improve the game. That's the real value of the technology. Rather than pull it out of their pocket like a shiny object you can dazzle people with, and then ignoring it when there's controversy, it needs to be built into the game. There are plenty of ways to do it, and now is the time before this gets much worse. |
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Post by bosox81 on May 7, 2016 9:58:06 GMT -5
If you can ignore last night for a just a tiny moment, do we really want roboumps now, when we got CV for the foreseeable future? Roboumps would completely destroy CV's value. Maybe roboumps when CV retires?
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on May 7, 2016 10:07:31 GMT -5
Instead of robo umps lets just get rid of imcompotent ones such as Kulpa, West, Angel Rodriquez, etc.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 7, 2016 10:19:08 GMT -5
I have seen reports that Kulpa missed 31 balls/strikes last night which is gross incompetence. I suspect that Ortiz and Farrell will get fined for their actions last night but Kulpa also deserves some financial penalty for impersonating an umpire last night. The amazing stat to me was that the 31 missed calls was only the 7th worst called game of the year. |
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Post by humanbeingbean on May 7, 2016 10:25:42 GMT -5
Betances and Miller are both unavailable today. Can we please win like 12-0?
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Post by honestlyabe on May 7, 2016 10:41:03 GMT -5
Augmented Umps? Give them smart-glasses that can read a strike zone. Ron Kulpa gets a VR headset so he can watch from home.
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Post by Canseco on May 7, 2016 10:48:08 GMT -5
Okay... that shit (as it usually does) stunk last night. Today, we bring the pain. It is time to go on a run.
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Post by soxfan06 on May 7, 2016 11:23:21 GMT -5
If he had kept his mouth shut on the strike before, he would have walked on the last pitch. But, because he threw a fit, the next pitch was going to be called a strike unless it was w a y out of the zone. You could see it coming. It was an umpire's FU strike. I actually agree with this. I love Ortiz, but he overdid it on the 3-1 pitch. Still, Ron Kulpa needs to grow up. That is the absolute worst logic ever. No one is there to see the goddamn umps. They should be professionals and never make calls on emotion. They should make calls based on the damn rules. If the ump thought Ortiz overdid it or crossed the line. He should have ejected him. Not make a revenge strike call on a pitch that wasn't even close. |
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