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6/6 Gameday Thread: Raudes throwing strikes; Owens trying to
radiohix
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Post by radiohix on Jun 6, 2016 20:41:46 GMT -5
Much better for Owens tonight, although still 3 BB's. But results are better than the past few outings. Varvaro continues to look good. He might be forcing his way into the conversation for a callup. He was once a solid bullpen piece. Mostly FB too and according to Speier up to 91 mph. Good signs indeed.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 6, 2016 21:41:18 GMT -5
Ben Taylor, wow! 10k's in 4 innings Yes, his transition to the bullpen seems to be agreeing with him very well. If his starting days are done he will be one to watch as a late inning arm.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 6, 2016 21:44:41 GMT -5
Conservatively, Anthony Varvaro is a better pitcher than 40% of major league relievers. If the Red Sox aren't going to recall him they should deal him before he opts out.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 6, 2016 22:16:30 GMT -5
Ben Taylor, wow! 10k's in 4 innings Yes, his transition to the bullpen seems to be agreeing with him very well. If his starting days are done he will be one to watch as a late inning arm. Not really a true bullpen role though....he usually goes at least 3 innings
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Post by taftreign on Jun 6, 2016 23:04:34 GMT -5
Yes, his transition to the bullpen seems to be agreeing with him very well. If his starting days are done he will be one to watch as a late inning arm. Not really a true bullpen role though....he usually goes at least 3 innings I guess more of a piggyback,huh.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 6, 2016 23:38:08 GMT -5
I wonder if Ramos will be seen in front of the Green Monster at some point. Its hard to call him a "post-hype sleeper" since there wasn't truly hype to begin with. But before the injuries got in the way, he seemed on track to make the big club. He was an athletic outfielder with 'fill out' potential who was producing in Portland at 22. If there's a player in the Sox system who I can see surprisingly becoming an MLB regular somewhere at 27, and people asking where that guy came from, Henry Ramos is the first name I'd volunteer, I'd sure like to see him succeed, he's been through a lot (injuries). I always viewed him as an above average 4th outfielder capable of playing all three spots. He's pretty much above average but not plus all across the tool kit. Eerily similar M.O. and injury situation to Bubba Bell, hopefully Henry will overcome.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2016 6:01:02 GMT -5
Not really a true bullpen role though....he usually goes at least 3 innings I guess more of a piggyback,huh. Well, at least 2 innings. He's never gone shorter than that, and 5 of his 10 outings in relief now have been at least 3 innings. He also typically gets a good amount of rest (he's had 2 days rest once, 3 days rest once, and otherwise at least 4 days by my quick count (which may be wrong). That's why we still classify him as a piggyback here.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2016 6:03:27 GMT -5
Conservatively, Anthony Varvaro is a better pitcher than 40% of major league relievers. If the Red Sox aren't going to recall him they should deal him before he opts out. Being in the clubhouse the other night when we were talking to Boles, based on Britton's question to him about Varvaro following a good outing and Boles' answer, which belied that they'd talked about this before, it sounds like he has outings where the stuff is great and he has outings where it's not really there. My guess is that they want him to be more consistent in that sense before giving him a look.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 7, 2016 6:11:58 GMT -5
Conservatively, Anthony Varvaro is a better pitcher than 40% of major league relievers. If the Red Sox aren't going to recall him they should deal him before he opts out. Being in the clubhouse the other night when we were talking to Boles, based on Britton's question to him about Varvaro following a good outing and Boles' answer, which belied that they'd talked about this before, it sounds like he has outings where the stuff is great and he has outings where it's not really there. My guess is that they want him to be more consistent in that sense before giving him a look. I guess that makes some sense, but I feel like that's almost waiting for the perfect reliever instead of simply a better one. How many appearances have they given Noe Ramirez now? Granted, Ramirez is back in the minors so maybe there isn't a spot for either, but is there any argument, scouting or stat-based, that Ramirez is better than Varvaro? Varvaro has a 3.23 MLB ERA in nearly 200 innings, and a 2.70 ERA and 27% K rate this year in Triple-A. And I admit to be scouting the box score as I haven't seen him yet this year, but I really think there has to be some team he could help.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 7, 2016 6:41:46 GMT -5
Being in the clubhouse the other night when we were talking to Boles, based on Britton's question to him about Varvaro following a good outing and Boles' answer, which belied that they'd talked about this before, it sounds like he has outings where the stuff is great and he has outings where it's not really there. My guess is that they want him to be more consistent in that sense before giving him a look. I guess that makes some sense, but I feel like that's almost waiting for the perfect reliever instead of simply a better one. How many appearances have they given Noe Ramirez now? Granted, Ramirez is back in the minors so maybe there isn't a spot for either, but is there any argument, scouting or stat-based, that Ramirez is better than Varvaro? Varvaro has a 3.23 MLB ERA in nearly 200 innings, and a 2.70 ERA and 27% K rate this year in Triple-A. And I admit to be scouting the box score as I haven't seen him yet this year, but I really think there has to be some team he could help. I guess they don't want to call up Varvaro until they have a possibly permanent spot for him because they can't option him back. They knew Ramirez would only be up for a game or two on this last transaction. They'll probably hold off on a decision until the last minute. And that decision is basically, 'is he better than Barnes or Hembree'? It's a one-time decision.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 7, 2016 7:33:08 GMT -5
Watched the Pawsox game last night on TV. Was a treat. I know this is the minors, but Owens was throwing his FB by hitters. Lots of 3 ball counts. He did challenge hitters often at that point though. Varvaro had a nice hook. Light looked good as well. Haven't been to McCoy since the 70's, is the lighting bad?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2016 8:02:20 GMT -5
Watched the Pawsox game last night on TV. Was a treat. I know this is the minors, but Owens was throwing his FB by hitters. Lots of 3 ball counts. He did challenge hitters often at that point though. Varvaro had a nice hook. Light looked good as well. Haven't been to McCoy since the 70's, is the lighting bad? I am at the point where I think Owens is Allen Webster without the heat. i.e. "Fools gold" to anyone who thinks he will be any more than a second division 5th starter, if that. If you can't throw strikes you can't play in MLB. At least, not for long.
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Post by cologneredsox on Jun 7, 2016 8:02:21 GMT -5
Question to our scouts: This Taylor guy so far had more success than failure and was draftet just one year ago. Could he be someone we should be focusing on a bit more?
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Post by jmei on Jun 7, 2016 8:02:25 GMT -5
I guess that makes some sense, but I feel like that's almost waiting for the perfect reliever instead of simply a better one. How many appearances have they given Noe Ramirez now? Granted, Ramirez is back in the minors so maybe there isn't a spot for either, but is there any argument, scouting or stat-based, that Ramirez is better than Varvaro? Varvaro has a 3.23 MLB ERA in nearly 200 innings, and a 2.70 ERA and 27% K rate this year in Triple-A. And I admit to be scouting the box score as I haven't seen him yet this year, but I really think there has to be some team he could help. I guess they don't want to call up Varvaro until they have a possibly permanent spot for him because they can't option him back. They knew Ramirez would only be up for a game or two on this last transaction. They'll probably hold off on a decision until the last minute. And that decision is basically, 'is he better than Barnes or Hembree'? It's a one-time decision. Recall that Varvaro was also death on lefties back when he was healthy, so he has a chance to usurp Layne as well.
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Post by mandelbro on Jun 7, 2016 8:32:32 GMT -5
Recall that Varvaro was also death on lefties back when he was healthy, so he has a chance to usurp Layne as well. Career, vs RHH .268/.336/.388 Career, vs LHH .201/.276/.325 He's got a huge reverse split. Layne's career line versus LHH is .174/.279/.225. But he seems to have trended in the wrong direction this year and at some point you can accept having a worse LOOGY to get a pitcher who can be left in for more than 1/3 of an inning.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 7, 2016 8:56:40 GMT -5
I guess they don't want to call up Varvaro until they have a possibly permanent spot for him because they can't option him back. They knew Ramirez would only be up for a game or two on this last transaction. They'll probably hold off on a decision until the last minute. And that decision is basically, 'is he better than Barnes or Hembree'? It's a one-time decision. Recall that Varvaro was also death on lefties back when he was healthy, so he has a chance to usurp Layne as well. Yeah, definitely true. It's still a one-time decision though, and for that move, you're probably looking at two one-time decisions. You're deciding to keep Varvaro up for good, else lose him and that you're letting Layne go because he'd likely be claimed.
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Post by jmei on Jun 7, 2016 9:04:09 GMT -5
Varvaro has an opt-out, so once we get to that date (which I don't think has been reached yet), you're losing him unless you add him to the roster. I guess you could option Hembree or Barnes instead, but we're rapidly approaching the part of the season where getting your best players on the roster is more important than maintaining depth.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 7, 2016 9:04:36 GMT -5
Question to our scouts: This Taylor guy so far had more success than failure and was draftet just one year ago. Could he be someone we should be focusing on a bit more? I, for one, will be paying more attention. Only one BB last night with the 10 Ks. Overall 51 Ks in 41 IP wth just 8 BBs. He has had three starts so far this season. Probably needs to be stretched out a bit to see if he can handle SP role.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 7, 2016 9:08:45 GMT -5
Good to have Speier on as color man beside Peleran. My complaints on prior minor league telecasts is that with T. C. and his partner, there was too much non prospect chit chat.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2016 11:21:26 GMT -5
Question to our scouts: This Taylor guy so far had more success than failure and was draftet just one year ago. Could he be someone we should be focusing on a bit more? I, for one, will be paying more attention. Only one BB last night with the 10 Ks. Overall 51 Ks in 41 IP wth just 8 BBs. He has had three starts so far this season. Probably needs to be stretched out a bit to see if he can handle SP role. Taylor has bounced around between the 30s and 40s of the rankings. He's certainly a potential MLB bullpen arm. I say that as a compliment. We've talked about him a number of times on the podcast and he's been written up on the news page a couple times.
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