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6/7 Gameday Thread: It's Joe Kelly & The New Mechanics
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2016 7:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 7, 2016 8:44:19 GMT -5
Wasn't that Mike & The Mechanics ?
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 7, 2016 9:14:12 GMT -5
Wasn't that Mike & The Mechanics ? That was my thought too. Mike Rutherford, used to play with Dire Straits. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 7, 2016 9:27:13 GMT -5
South Atlantic League All-Stars: Ockimey, Alej. Basabe, Matheny, Raudes, Cosart.
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Post by nomar on Jun 7, 2016 10:56:23 GMT -5
Nice to see Ock and Roniel Nola Jr Raudes get the nod.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2016 11:15:58 GMT -5
FWIW, sitting 90-91 isn't the same as sitting 87-88, topping out at 89. Not out of the question that he might add a few ticks of velo, but I mean, for him it's pretty much necessary, imo, for him to be able to have any success even in the upper minors, unless he's got insane movement on the pitch, which I don't think he does. Maybe he becomes Marco Estrada or something, but with his stuff, I can't see him as anything better than back-end as a ceiling. |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2016 11:17:17 GMT -5
Wasn't that Mike & The Mechanics ? That was my thought too. Mike Rutherford, used to play with Dire Straits. I thought he was a Genesis guy. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2016 11:22:17 GMT -5
That was my thought too. Mike Rutherford, used to play with Dire Straits. I thought he was a Genesis guy. You're right Guidas, Mike Rutherford, of Mike + The Mechanics, was one of the founding members of Genesis. Dire Straits is Mark Knopfler |
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Post by Guidas on Jun 7, 2016 11:33:15 GMT -5
I thought he was a Genesis guy. You're right Guidas, Mike Rutherford, of Mike + The Mechanics, was one of the founding members of Genesis. Dire Straits is Mark Knopfler I thought so, only because I love Dire Straits and don't remember Rutherford playing for them (although I'm sure he could've sat in live from time to time for all I know). btw, anyone who wants to hear some sweet shredding, the 10+ min live version of "Sultans of Swing" from the Alchemy album is everything live riffing should be (and the drumming is pretty balls, too): |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2016 11:37:53 GMT -5
FWIW, sitting 90-91 isn't the same as sitting 87-88, topping out at 89. Not out of the question that he might add a few ticks of velo, but I mean, for him it's pretty much necessary, imo, for him to be able to have any success even in the upper minors, unless he's got insane movement on the pitch, which I don't think he does. Maybe he becomes Marco Estrada or something, but with his stuff, I can't see him as anything better than back-end as a ceiling. Thats fine, but at his age, it also wouldn't seem fair to project him moving forward (and developing in his 20s) without even modest improvements to his stuff/velocity. |
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Post by radiohix on Jun 7, 2016 12:25:35 GMT -5
FWIW, sitting 90-91 isn't the same as sitting 87-88, topping out at 89. Not out of the question that he might add a few ticks of velo, but I mean, for him it's pretty much necessary, imo, for him to be able to have any success even in the upper minors, unless he's got insane movement on the pitch, which I don't think he does. Maybe he becomes Marco Estrada or something, but with his stuff, I can't see him as anything better than back-end as a ceiling. Thats fine, but at his age, it also wouldn't seem fair to project him moving forward (and developing in his 20s) without even modest improvements to his stuff/velocity. I know this: If your team's FO think you're ready to pitch in full season ball at age 18, it means that they think you're good. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2016 12:40:03 GMT -5
Remember Sergio Gomez who was the opening day starter in Lowell a few years back at age 17. They may think you're good and yet they also may think there's more projection left. You just never know.
I think it's more a matter of Rowdy Roniel being ready for Greenville right now, more than the front office thinking he's good. I mean, he is good right now at the level he's at.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2016 13:06:31 GMT -5
Remember Sergio Gomez who was the opening day starter in Lowell a few years back at age 17. They may think you're good and yet they also may think there's more projection left. You just never know. I think it's more a matter of Rowdy Roniel being ready for Greenville right now, more than the front office thinking he's good. I mean, he is good right now at the level he's at. Yeah you definitely can't guarantee that an 18 year old will add more velo...but at the same time, the guy shouldn't be treated like Bobby Poyner, or another advanced college arm with close to no projection left. I guess best (realistic) case scenario, Raudes sits 92-93 maybe touch mid 90s and his curve and change develop into plus pitches. Worst case scenario his stuff doesn't develop at all. I think its reasonable that a median projection might have him at 90-91 T93 (by the way, older scouting reports have him touching 93), with one plus and one average secondary pitch. If you couple that with plus control/command and pitchability, he could project as #3/#4 type. Apologies by the way, I think I have a habit of turning random threads into Raudes threads....the discussion surrounding his ranking and projection intrigues me. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 7, 2016 13:44:40 GMT -5
FWIW, sitting 90-91 isn't the same as sitting 87-88, topping out at 89. Not out of the question that he might add a few ticks of velo, but I mean, for him it's pretty much necessary, imo, for him to be able to have any success even in the upper minors, unless he's got insane movement on the pitch, which I don't think he does. Maybe he becomes Marco Estrada or something, but with his stuff, I can't see him as anything better than back-end as a ceiling.Isn't that very good for a $250K signing? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2016 14:08:44 GMT -5
Remember Sergio Gomez who was the opening day starter in Lowell a few years back at age 17. They may think you're good and yet they also may think there's more projection left. You just never know. I think it's more a matter of Rowdy Roniel being ready for Greenville right now, more than the front office thinking he's good. I mean, he is good right now at the level he's at. Yeah you definitely can't guarantee that an 18 year old will add more velo...but at the same time, the guy shouldn't be treated like Bobby Poyner, or another advanced college arm with close to no projection left. I guess best (realistic) case scenario, Raudes sits 92-93 maybe touch mid 90s and his curve and change develop into plus pitches. Worst case scenario his stuff doesn't develop at all. I think its reasonable that a median projection might have him at 90-91 T93 (by the way, older scouting reports have him touching 93), with one plus and one average secondary pitch. If you couple that with plus control/command and pitchability, he could project as #3/#4 type. Apologies by the way, I think I have a habit of turning random threads into Raudes threads....the discussion surrounding his ranking and projection intrigues me. I'd say that adding 4 mph of consistent velo is a bit beyond a realistic scenario (the 92-93 one). FWIW, sitting 90-91 isn't the same as sitting 87-88, topping out at 89. Not out of the question that he might add a few ticks of velo, but I mean, for him it's pretty much necessary, imo, for him to be able to have any success even in the upper minors, unless he's got insane movement on the pitch, which I don't think he does. Maybe he becomes Marco Estrada or something, but with his stuff, I can't see him as anything better than back-end as a ceiling.Isn't that very good for a $250K signing? Yup, fine by me. |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 7, 2016 15:21:03 GMT -5
Yeah you definitely can't guarantee that an 18 year old will add more velo...but at the same time, the guy shouldn't be treated like Bobby Poyner, or another advanced college arm with close to no projection left. I guess best (realistic) case scenario, Raudes sits 92-93 maybe touch mid 90s and his curve and change develop into plus pitches. Worst case scenario his stuff doesn't develop at all. I think its reasonable that a median projection might have him at 90-91 T93 (by the way, older scouting reports have him touching 93), with one plus and one average secondary pitch. If you couple that with plus control/command and pitchability, he could project as #3/#4 type. Apologies by the way, I think I have a habit of turning random threads into Raudes threads....the discussion surrounding his ranking and projection intrigues me. Sorry I didn't mean realistic in the sense that I think it is likely he will eventually sit 92-93. I'm trying to come up with something like a realistic ceiling in this case, and having seen previous reports of him hitting 93, I figured a realistic ceiling would be sitting at or just below that peak velocity. That said, the fact that more recent reports have him at 87-88 might make that even less likely. |
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Post by radiohix on Jun 7, 2016 18:19:56 GMT -5
Normal day in the office for Rowdy Roniel: 5.1 IP 1 ER 1 BB 5 K
Keeping the same K/BB ratio for the season 45/9.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2016 18:30:25 GMT -5
Chavis, Ock, and Kyri all 1-3 with no K's. But Kyri's 1 was 3-run bomb.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 7, 2016 18:34:44 GMT -5
A Prediction: Beni and Moncada put their pedal to the metal starting tonight. Beni with a double and a run scored on 1st at bat, and Yoan gets a hit to start the game and promptly steals number 34. It has been rough lately with them not going on tears. Hold on to your seats fellows!
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 7, 2016 18:55:30 GMT -5
Austin Glorius with the start in Game 2. Jose Almonte will go tomorrow (according to MiLB).
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Post by Costigan on Jun 7, 2016 19:05:08 GMT -5
I know the results are not there yet, but over the last few games Rijo is really hitting the ball with authority. Laced a line drive right at the left fielder in his first at bat tonight.
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Post by Costigan on Jun 7, 2016 19:48:54 GMT -5
Brakeman on for the Drive after Glorious started the game. Is Brakeman starting his conversion to a reliever?
Kyri hits his second 3 run home run of the day!
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 7, 2016 21:05:29 GMT -5
The DSL teams only got in one inning of defense, and it was a doozy. Three of the four batters who came to the plate in the inning got hits. There were zero force plays. The final out got thrown out going from first to third on a single to the shortstop.
DSL Rangers2 Bottom of the 1st
-Miguel Aparicio singles on a ground ball to right fielder Fabian Andrade.
-Cristian Inoa singles on a ground ball to center fielder Albert Guaimaro. Miguel Aparicio to 2nd.
Miguel Aparicio out at home, right fielder Fabian Andrade to first baseman Pedro Castellanos to catcher Eduard Conde. Cristian Inoa to 2nd on the throw. Throwing error by catcher Eduard Conde.
-Leody Taveras reaches on a fielder's choice out, pitcher Jose Zacarias to third baseman Antonio Pineiro. Cristian Inoa out at 3rd.
-Juan Ventura singles on a ground ball to shortstop Everlouis Lozada. Leody Taveras out at 3rd, first baseman Pedro Castellanos to third baseman Antonio Pineiro.
EDIT: Man, Sean Coyle struck out three times. He now has K'd in 31 of his 76 Double-A plate appearances, in 16 straight games, and in 17 of 18 since his demotion.
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Post by taftreign on Jun 7, 2016 22:49:39 GMT -5
Bobby Poyner is too good for Salem. Time for a promotion to Portland! 
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 7, 2016 22:52:39 GMT -5
Brakeman on for the Drive after Glorious started the game. Is Brakeman starting his conversion to a reliever? Kyri hits his second 3 run home run of the day! Interesting on Brakeman. He wasn't listed in the probables so I was wondering what his situation was. |
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