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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2016 20:43:01 GMT -5
Matt Barnes is just .2 WAR behind Taz...just sayin'. That's a testament to how volatile relief pitchers are. But seriously, there is no way that you actually believe they're close in ability, right? Not at this point in their careers...no. However, the metric gets thrown around here quite a bit...it says what is says...and shouldn't be dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2016 20:44:01 GMT -5
For this game and this game only? Yes, Matt Barnes is probably the biggest threat to them losing. Do you disagree? I do. Uehara has been even more unreliable lately and he is giving up nearly twice as many HRs as Barnes and Tampa is 4th in the AL in HRs. This is probably moot by now though. Uehara also has the third-best strikeout rate and seventh-best strikeout minus walk rate among qualified relievers, which are more reliable indicators than home run rate.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 20:44:55 GMT -5
That's a testament to how volatile relief pitchers are. But seriously, there is no way that you actually believe they're close in ability, right? Not at this point in their careers...no. However, the metric gets thrown around here quite a bit...it says what is says...and shouldn't be dismissed because it doesn't fit the narrative. I don't see many people using WAR for relief pitchers. I mean a relief pitcher can be lights out for a month and one game can make him a replacement level pitcher.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2016 20:45:48 GMT -5
Oh hey look, surprise! Its Tazawa despite the tremendous swing in leverage. To be fair, he was warmed up while it was still a high-leverage game, the rest of the bullpen is pretty spent, and he's facing the 9-1-2 hitters. I don't think it's particularly objectionable.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jun 28, 2016 20:46:37 GMT -5
Daniel Nava batting cleanup for the Angels tonight
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 20:48:10 GMT -5
Oh hey look, surprise! Its Tazawa despite the tremendous swing in leverage. To be fair, he was warmed up while it was still a high-leverage game, the rest of the bullpen is pretty spent, and he's facing the 9-1-2 hitters. I don't think it's particularly objectionable. I do. I don't care about the ridiculous notion that you have to pitch if you warm up. The stress of actual pitching in a major league game has to be a lot more stress than just warming up. I mean, can't they cool down in the bullpen under controlled circumstances? Now he won't be available tomorrow and Barnes will probably be taking his place in a tie game.
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Post by atzar on Jun 28, 2016 20:49:00 GMT -5
I'd love to see a better angle on that homerun. Curious how close Jackie really got to it.
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Post by kyla13 on Jun 28, 2016 20:49:05 GMT -5
It's the 7th inning and Red Sox has the lead. Of course JF puts Tazawa in. He is saving Matt Barnes for a low leverage situation tomorrow. Like in the 7th or 8th of a tie ballgame.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2016 20:52:05 GMT -5
To be fair, he was warmed up while it was still a high-leverage game, the rest of the bullpen is pretty spent, and he's facing the 9-1-2 hitters. I don't think it's particularly objectionable. I do. I don't care about the ridiculous notion that you have to pitch if you warm up. The stress of actual pitching in a major league game has to be a lot more stress than just warming up. I mean, can't they cool down in the bullpen under controlled circumstances? Now he won't be available tomorrow and Barnes will probably be taking his place in a tie game. It went from 4-1 to 6-1 very quickly. Maybe five or ten minutes elapsed. That's not enough time to warm up a reliever.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2016 20:52:24 GMT -5
It will probably be Barnes for the rest of the game....will that make everyone happy? With Kimbrel waitingin the wings for the inevitable screw up.
Honestly...the way this month has gone...I don't blame Farrell for trying to lock this down.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 20:52:35 GMT -5
Are home runs up this year overall? Not sure how to check. I've had a feeling all year that the ball is juiced this year and that home run off Tazawa is a good example.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 20:53:16 GMT -5
I do. I don't care about the ridiculous notion that you have to pitch if you warm up. The stress of actual pitching in a major league game has to be a lot more stress than just warming up. I mean, can't they cool down in the bullpen under controlled circumstances? Now he won't be available tomorrow and Barnes will probably be taking his place in a tie game. It went from 4-1 to 6-1 very quickly. Maybe five or ten minutes elapsed. That's not enough time to warm up a reliever. I would have had Light up at the same time.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jun 28, 2016 20:54:13 GMT -5
Vazquez swings at a first pitch that the tracker shows to be right down the middle of the strike zone -- and all he can do is foul out to first.
He seems to be pretty much overwhelmed at the plate right now.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2016 20:54:23 GMT -5
It went from 4-1 to 6-1 very quickly. Maybe five or ten minutes elapsed. That's not enough time to warm up a reliever. I would have had Light up at the same time. Easy to say with the power of hindsight. If you'd seen Light warming in a 3-1 game and it stayed a 3-1 game, I'm pretty sure you'd be pretty pissed.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2016 20:54:49 GMT -5
Barnes is .4 fWAR behind Tazawa, which is a pretty big gap in half a season's worth of reliever outings. Fortunately, the leverage of this game just dropped a ton, which is a nice get. I am not sure what fWAR (fangraphs ?)....I was using Baseball Reference.
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Post by jmei on Jun 28, 2016 20:55:21 GMT -5
That said, looks like Uehara is warming for the bottom of the eighth. I don't agree with that one.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 20:56:34 GMT -5
I would have had Light up at the same time. Easy to say with the power of hindsight. If you'd seen Light warming in a 3-1 game and it stayed a 3-1 game, I'm pretty sure you'd be pretty pissed. I wouldn't have put Light in for a 3-1 game. But I'd have him up along with Tazawa with 2 runners on base.
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Post by DesignatedKyle on Jun 28, 2016 20:57:03 GMT -5
Are home runs up this year overall? Not sure how to check. I've had a feeling all year that the ball is juiced this year and that home run off Tazawa is a good example. Yeah, it was outside, at the end of the bat, and he was off balance when he swung as Willis was showing to Taz. It seemed pretty suspicious to me. And yeah, home runs are definitely up this year, around steroid-era numbers. edit: I can't find a stat that limits to only HR, but the league ISO as of today is the highest since 2006 and 6th-highest all time.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2016 20:57:35 GMT -5
OMG.....Sound the Alarm....the natives will get restless.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 20:57:49 GMT -5
That said, looks like Uehara is warming for the bottom of the eighth. I don't agree with that one. That's probably because Farrell knows he's about to get fired. He's managing like this is the playoffs.
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Post by dnfl333 on Jun 28, 2016 20:58:34 GMT -5
Are home runs up this year overall? Not sure how to check. I've had a feeling all year that the ball is juiced this year and that home run off Tazawa is a good example. PEDS
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Post by bosox81 on Jun 28, 2016 20:59:46 GMT -5
That was a good frame job by CV. I hadn't seen that called for him in a long time.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 28, 2016 21:01:22 GMT -5
That said, looks like Uehara is warming for the bottom of the eighth. I don't agree with that one. That's probably because Farrell knows he's about to get fired. He's managing like this is the playoffs. no. he's using his best players (historically) to cement this game. He gave a speech to the team last night talking about being better. Let's try and remember to put some of these decisions in context.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2016 21:03:17 GMT -5
That's probably because Farrell knows he's about to get fired. He's managing like this is the playoffs. no. he's using his best players (historically) to cement this game. He gave a speech to the team last night talking about being better. Let's try and remember to put some of these decisions in context. Great. And there's a game tomorrow too. Is he going to use Kimbrel in the 9th? Do you know how unlikely it is for any pitcher in the bullpen to give up 4 runs?
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Post by bosox on Jun 28, 2016 21:07:36 GMT -5
Are home runs up this year overall? Not sure how to check. I've had a feeling all year that the ball is juiced this year and that home run off Tazawa is a good example. I don't have the numbers but they were discussing it on MLB on XM. They said the home runs are up this year and 2015 was up by quite a bit over 2014. The discussion centered around the manufacturing of the ball.
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