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7/7 Gamey Thread: Puttin' on the Ritzi & Rowdy Roniel Raudes
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2016 23:40:14 GMT -5
Moncada now at .317 / .358 / .619. He'll be too good for the minors by this time next year and quite possibly sooner. (He's probably good enough for MLB right now; I'm talking about getting to where there's nothing at all left to learn.) Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky Moncada can really hit & has extremely advanced instincts on basepaths. His defense could use refinement. Not ready for MLB quite yet, IMHO
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 7, 2016 23:45:39 GMT -5
The PawSox had a combined no-no going into the 8th. Haley/Martin/Mendez. Noe Ramirez gave up he first hit. For some reason Haley only went 2/3 inning.
Marrero's cousin with 4 hits including his 16th HR.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jul 7, 2016 23:50:19 GMT -5
I know, my main man Keith Couch with a CG shutout was truly a sight to behold. That long overdue cup of coffee is coming :') Didn't he throw a nice CG in his last game and let up just 1 run?
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Post by ianrs on Jul 8, 2016 0:28:22 GMT -5
What a night! Also despite the 4 runs in 4.1 IP, love the 7.00 K/BB ratio for Raudes. Quite a year for the system so far, both for blue chippers and fringier prospects entering the year (Ock, Luis Alejandro, Raudes).
On Moncada and Kopech, what can you say? Some incredible ceilings in this organization right now.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 8, 2016 0:46:53 GMT -5
Moncada now at .317 / .358 / .619. He'll be too good for the minors by this time next year and quite possibly sooner. (He's probably good enough for MLB right now; I'm talking about getting to where there's nothing at all left to learn.) Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky Moncada can really hit & has extremely advanced instincts on basepaths. His defense could use refinement. Not ready for MLB quite yet, IMHO This reflects his background in the Serie Nacional I believe. That league has a bit of talent, though it's all over the map. He was exposed to that while very young, so it's not much of a surprise that he gets comfortable quickly at each level. He has all the makings of a spectacular talent, with speed and power to burn. It's obvious the defense has been secondary in his development, with the positioning and footwork in need of serious polishing. The athleticism and instincts, on the other hand, are all there, and watching him run is a thing onto itself.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 1:39:51 GMT -5
We're building a house so I was in and out for Kopech. I decided to watch the archive to see it again.
First inning, almost all (or all) fastballs, 98-102. The announcer made a comment that earlier in the year their gun was reported as slow but now appears to be in line with actual velocities. The double play came on an inside fastball to a RH hitter and was a broken bat grounder to SS. Generally he was missing high and threw a lot of pitches. Lots of swings and misses.
Second inning, he mixed in a few curves and changes and brought the fastball down better but still was missing high when he missed. Mostly fastballs and generally 97-98. The DP came on a curve to a LH batter that he was reaching for and was an easy grounder up the middle to the SS. Lots of swings and misses. The changes were pretty much perfectly located. The hit was a fairly soft line drive to LF.
Third inning, mostly fastballs 97-98 and a quick inning. Two lazy fly balls to center field. Pitch locations were close to perfect, he tends to aim at the outside black against hitters and was hitting his spots.
Fourth inning his locations were pretty much perfect, mostly low fastballs that the batters had no chance at. Batter timing was way off on all his pitches. The fouls were almost all check swings, foul tips, etc. Only 2 called strikes of the nine. Announcer said last pitch 100 not 102.
You could definitely see his FB command progress as the game went along. Likely because of the long layoff. During the first two innings you could see Procychen telling Kopech to get the ball down. Third and fourth innings he didn't have to tell him that.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 8, 2016 1:44:47 GMT -5
Moncada now at .317 / .358 / .619. He'll be too good for the minors by this time next year and quite possibly sooner. (He's probably good enough for MLB right now; I'm talking about getting to where there's nothing at all left to learn.) Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky Moncada can really hit & has extremely advanced instincts on basepaths. His defense could use refinement. Not ready for MLB quite yet, IMHO I should have made it clear that I was talking strictly about the bat, and in fact that the defense was lagging behind was a complication I thought of adressing. The scenario I was envisioning is the Sox using two alignments starting at some point in 2017: Shaw 3B, Hanley 1B, Moncada DH, and Moncada 3B, Shaw 1B, and Hanley DH. The former would be better at first, but you would use the latter as well because eventually Moncada should become a good enough defender at 3B to make it the better alignment, and he needs to actualy play there to learn it. The idea is that when Moncada is DH, he works a ton at 3B before the game -- and then he gets to test what he's learning two or three times a week. It's a way to get his bat into the lineup every day at a point where learning to play 3B in AAA would be teaching him nothing about hitting.
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Post by honestlyabe on Jul 8, 2016 2:11:45 GMT -5
How's the book going, Eric? These guys are all just too exciting!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 2:15:55 GMT -5
Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky Moncada can really hit & has extremely advanced instincts on basepaths. His defense could use refinement. Not ready for MLB quite yet, IMHO I should have made it clear that I was talking strictly about the bat, and in fact that the defense was lagging behind was a complication I thought of adressing. The scenario I was envisioning is the Sox using two alignments starting at some point in 2017: Shaw 3B, Hanley 1B, Moncada DH, and Moncada 3B, Shaw 1B, and Hanley DH. The former would be better at first, but you would use the latter as well because eventually Moncada should become a good enough defender at 3B to make it the better alignment, and he needs to actualy play there to learn it. The idea is that when Moncada is DH, he works a ton at 3B before the game -- and then he gets to test what he's learning two or three times a week. It's a way to get his bat into the lineup every day at a point where learning to play 3B in AAA would be teaching him nothing about hitting. I don't disagree about Moncada's future nor do I disagree that he'll be ready before long but when I watch him and Benny hitting, Benny seems a lot more in control of his ABs than Moncada. What Moncada lacks in early pitch recognition though, he makes up for with bat speed and raw power. I think if the two were promoted today, Moncada would struggle a lot more than Benintendi but I think in the long run Moncada will be the better all around hitter. Moncada is at somewhat of a disadvantage since he's a switch hitter and needs to make adjustments on both sides of the plate. Just opinion though and I'm comparing two batters with distinctly different skill sets. I just think Benny's skill set is more major league ready. Steak or lobster ? ADD: 2017 no question. To me, 2016 is a possibility for Benny but not Moncada.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 2:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 2:55:57 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jul 8, 2016 3:17:03 GMT -5
The PawSox had a combined no-no going into the 8th. Haley/Martin/Mendez. Noe Ramirez gave up he first hit. For some reason Haley only went 2/3 inning.Marrero's cousin with 4 hits including his 16th HR. Rain delay.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Jul 8, 2016 6:08:25 GMT -5
Pretty clear that the announcer was oblivious to what was going on. Ho hum. Strike 1/2/3. Strike 1/2/3. Strike 1/2/3. Last FB 100. Cue the ads.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2016 6:16:00 GMT -5
Kopech pulled after 4 innings and 60 pitches. 6 Ks, 3 BBs. Would've been neat if he'd credited Kevin for that information, huh?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 8, 2016 6:25:39 GMT -5
Whew, that was impressive. His curveball was 87mph on the stadium gun. It didn't look like a slider, either, and the catcher definitely put down two fingers. [note: there's the usual caveats about minor league stadium guns, though. Even if the announcer said it was accurate, you still want to have a little skepticism about the numbers] No matter what the actual velocity, it was obvious that he was completely overpowering the Fisher Cats hitters. A bunch of late swings, check swings, and helplessness ... it looked exactly like a top pitcher in high school. Nice to see him punching out batters.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 8, 2016 6:27:40 GMT -5
Keith Couch with a seven-hit complete game shutout. Which is nice, since he's like #7 on the starting pitching depth chart at this point. Just moved up to #6 after the Wilkerson trade, I figure.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 6:44:19 GMT -5
Would've been neat if he'd credited Kevin for that information, huh? Maybe he was watching or listening to Carolina's broadcasts. Braves affiliates are well covered throughout their system. Opinion only because I listen/watch opponents broadcasts often to get different viewpoints but of the organizations we play against, I'm most impressed by the Braves, least impressed by the Mets. To ancient. I don't think he realized it was 9 pitches but being fair, for an opponents announcer, he spent a fair amount of time complementing Kopech. Also being fair, he wasn't prepared for it because the Kopech start was a last minute announcement.He was pretty much going by what he was looking at.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 8:57:53 GMT -5
Moncada now at .317 / .358 / .619. He'll be too good for the minors by this time next year and quite possibly sooner. (He's probably good enough for MLB right now; I'm talking about getting to where there's nothing at all left to learn.) Time to place your bets on who makes the majors first between Moncada and Benintendi.
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Post by nomar on Jul 8, 2016 9:04:10 GMT -5
Moncada now at .317 / .358 / .619. He'll be too good for the minors by this time next year and quite possibly sooner. (He's probably good enough for MLB right now; I'm talking about getting to where there's nothing at all left to learn.) Time to place your bets on who makes the majors first between Moncada and Benintendi. With Hill in the fold it's definitely Benintendi IMO. Only a major trade would change that. Unless they're both roster expansion call ups.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 8, 2016 9:05:47 GMT -5
Whew, that was impressive. His curveball was 87mph on the stadium gun. It didn't look like a slider, either, and the catcher definitely put down two fingers. [note: there's the usual caveats about minor league stadium guns, though. Even if the announcer said it was accurate, you still want to have a little skepticism about the numbers] No matter what the actual velocity, it was obvious that he was completely overpowering the Fisher Cats hitters. A bunch of late swings, check swings, and helplessness ... it looked exactly like a top pitcher in high school. Nice to see him punching out batters. I have to know what that 8th pitch was clocked at. It was supposed to be a changeup but looked like most pitchers' fastball.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 8, 2016 10:26:07 GMT -5
Moncada now at .317 / .358 / .619. He'll be too good for the minors by this time next year and quite possibly sooner. (He's probably good enough for MLB right now; I'm talking about getting to where there's nothing at all left to learn.) Time to place your bets on who makes the majors first between Moncada and Benintendi. Not even a question imo. Moncada is 0 for 8 with 6 K's vs. LHP in AA. He's not going anywhere until he shows something from the right side.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 8, 2016 12:20:00 GMT -5
Didn't he throw a nice CG in his last game and let up just 1 run? Yes! 9 innings of 1 run ball with 7 K's. Pretty sure that's how Skynet gets started.
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Post by sox fan in nc on Jul 8, 2016 12:31:49 GMT -5
Oh, hey, so Kopech might pitch tonight. Might not. You never know what happens Since the Carolina Mudcats is a Braves affiliate (Not Baltimore), do you think when seeing Kopech first hand, they may look at him as being a large piece of a Teheran deal?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 8, 2016 12:45:50 GMT -5
Oh, hey, so Kopech might pitch tonight. Might not. You never know what happens Since the Carolina Mudcats is a Braves affiliate (Not Baltimore), do you think when seeing Kopech first hand, they may look at him as being a large piece of a Teheran deal? Scouts scout. Executives put together trades. A scout who scouted Kopech would confirm prior looks that the organization had on him. Therefore, Kopech's single start last night likely would not move the needle on a specific trade. If ATL saw Kopech as a good get for them prior to yesterday, that view was reinforced with last night's start. As to Teheran specifically, there is a trade thread for him. Purportedly, ATL is asking for the moon and the stars for Teheran, including Kopech potentially, as part of a trade.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2016 22:27:30 GMT -5
Whew, that was impressive. His curveball was 87mph on the stadium gun. It didn't look like a slider, either, and the catcher definitely put down two fingers. [note: there's the usual caveats about minor league stadium guns, though. Even if the announcer said it was accurate, you still want to have a little skepticism about the numbers] No matter what the actual velocity, it was obvious that he was completely overpowering the Fisher Cats hitters. A bunch of late swings, check swings, and helplessness ... it looked exactly like a top pitcher in high school. Nice to see him punching out batters. I have to know what that 8th pitch was clocked at. It was supposed to be a changeup but looked like most pitchers' fastball. Game long, his changeup was 91-92. The Mud Cat announcers give a lot of velocities. His velocities were similar to Syndergaard all the way around (he varies his FB speed pitch by pitch 97-102) except Thor's slider is considerably faster than Kopech's curve. Rough guess, 50ish of the 60 pitches were fastballs. ADD: The curve he threw in the 4th which was inside and into the dirt was different than the second inning curve which painted the outside black to a lefty hitter (hit to SS for a double play and the batter was lunging). Oh, hey, so Kopech might pitch tonight. Might not. You never know what happens Since the Carolina Mudcats is a Braves affiliate (Not Baltimore), do you think when seeing Kopech first hand, they may look at him as being a large piece of a Teheran deal? For refernce, one thing that I noticed during the broadcast was that there was only one guy in the stands with a radar gun (not much of a crowd). That likely would have been a different case if Kopech wasn't a last minute announcement.
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