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7/21-7/24 Red Sox vs. Twins Series Thread
atzar
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Post by atzar on Jul 21, 2016 20:29:26 GMT -5
I know it's the Twins, but this has been a clutch outing by Wright after the bullpen-eater yesterday.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 21, 2016 20:30:36 GMT -5
The best part about these games before the trade deadline is that if a player goes out of the game suspiciously early (apart from injury) then there could be speculation that they were just traded. If I were an MLB coach, this would be my favorite time of the year as I'd pull players out randomly to mess with the fans/media. Like I'd pull out Bogaerts/Betts/Bradley in the same inning type of trolling.
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 21, 2016 20:31:58 GMT -5
I know it's the Twins, but this has been a clutch outing by Wright after the bullpen-eater yesterday. He's been doing that all season pretty much any time the team's bullpen was overworked.
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Post by thursty on Jul 21, 2016 20:36:52 GMT -5
He's so damn good, and he still hasn't figured it out. Where does his ceiling end?
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Post by bosox81 on Jul 21, 2016 20:42:36 GMT -5
Lead's Noe Ramirez-proof now. Give him the 9th.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 21, 2016 20:42:50 GMT -5
I love it when you call me Big Papi.
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Post by rangoon82 on Jul 21, 2016 20:48:29 GMT -5
Large Father don't go
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Post by larrycook on Jul 21, 2016 21:06:01 GMT -5
The offense was awesome today. And wright was on his game.
Ortiz looked really good tonight.
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Post by jchang on Jul 21, 2016 21:09:51 GMT -5
The offense was awesome today. And wright was on his game. Ortiz looked really good tonight. No need to call out pedroia 5 hits?
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Post by Guidas on Jul 21, 2016 21:12:11 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by sibbysisti on Jul 21, 2016 21:58:03 GMT -5
Lost in the euphoria in the most recent win streak (9-1), is the skipper's 300th win. Congrats, John.
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Post by m1keyboots on Jul 21, 2016 22:48:09 GMT -5
At this point, it's pretty hard to conclude anything other than I was wrong about Bradley offensively It wasn't just you, lots of people in baseball, on the webz, probably his coaches etc thought he was on the outs. :/
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 21, 2016 23:11:02 GMT -5
At this point, it's pretty hard to conclude anything other than I was wrong about Bradley offensively It wasn't just you, lots of people in baseball, on the webz, probably his coaches etc thought he was on the outs. :/ How about those who thought Ortiz was about finished last year around the all-star break? Or those who thought Ortiz was finished early in the 2010 season or how about those who thought Ortiz was finished in early 2009 when he was hitting .185 and didn't hit his first HR until around Memorial Day? Call me crazy but Ortiz doesn't look finished to me. In November, I will finally buy that he is finished.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 21, 2016 23:15:43 GMT -5
It wasn't just you, lots of people in baseball, on the webz, probably his coaches etc thought he was on the outs. :/ How about those who thought Ortiz was about finished last year around the all-star break? Or those who thought Ortiz was finished early in the 2010 season or how about those who thought Ortiz was finished in early 2009 when he was hitting .185 and didn't hit his first HR until around Memorial Day? Call me crazy but Ortiz doesn't look finished to me. In November, I will finally buy that he is finished. Anybody who says Ortiz bat speed has slowed down is not watching the man hit. As long as his bat speed remains, he will be able to hit a baseball. However I am a bit worried about if his Achilles or heels will make it through this year. He seems to really struggle to get out of the batters box and run. However no one should doubt that he can still hit a baseball.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 21, 2016 23:53:55 GMT -5
How the hell would that work? So you're on your last pitcher and he has to resort to throwing batting practice speed because he's too tired to get anyone else out? One change that has been brought up before is just getting rid of one out guys. Making a rule that when a reliever comes into the game he can only leave it if he finishes the inning or puts a man on base would slightly reduce the number of relievers a team uses (especially in September) without altering the way the game is played. I made a proposal along those lines in January, along with another to speed up the game. While we're talking about rule changes, and in the spirit of ESPN's "Baseball 2.0" series, two more proposals, neither wholly original. 1) A relief pitcher who faces a single batter, and is relieved before the end of the inning for reasons other than injury shall be known as a matchup specialist. Each team may use just one matchup specialist per game; subsequent relievers must either face two batters or finish the inning, unless they sustain an incapacitating injury before the end of their second batter faced. Because teams have existing investments in matchup guys, you would want to initially limit matchup specialists to one per inning and two per game. And you might argue in favor of leaving it that way, rather than going to this tighter version a few years later. But I personally like the extreme restriction as the eventual goal; it speeds the game more, adds more offense, and requires more careful strategy. 2) Add the following to the definition of a balk: -- Three successive pickoff throws to the same base -- Any pickoff throw to an unoccupied base -- Five pickoff throws (to any base) during one plate appearance This turns repeated pickoff attempts from one of the dullest things in the game to one of the most interesting and exciting. Throwing over twice in a row unsuccessfully gives the runner a titanic jump on every subsequent pitch. So throwing over once means that, on the next pitch, the runner is guessing no throw and the pitcher is therefore guessing that the runner is going. Great cat-and-mouse, where one throw over means the next pitch is a high-stakes, tense moment. This will speed up the game and boost stolen bases, both of which are good. If this version seems too extreme, it can be initially implemented with four and six throws rather than three and five. I'm curious as to what people think of these.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2016 3:33:01 GMT -5
In 15 innings. In 90 Triple-A innings, he has a 2.42 ERA, and in his last six starts he has a 1.08 ERA and a .163/.232/.255 opposing line. I'm willing to bet he's better than Tyler Duffey. Just watch what you all say about Tommy Milone. Tommy Milone is my boy. I know. It wasn't a serious critique. He should be in the big leagues, despite his lack of success in the chances he's been given. Although, on the other side of the coin, lots of people here wanted to crucify Joe Kelly earlier in the year for about 20 innings. I know most of the posters with a brain had criticisms not based solely on those innings, but there are also a lot of posters here without brains. I think the Joe Kelly hate was based off of the 130 innings of 5 ERA ball last year, plus the terrible 20 innings so far this year. He isn't a good starting pitcher in the AL East. He just isn't. He's in the correct role for him now, in the bullpen.
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Post by jimedsright on Jul 22, 2016 3:42:57 GMT -5
Been to about 10 ballparks around the country, Wrigley (and Fenway) just once each. Wrigley is my favorite park and I found the fans more unconditionally supporting their team, irrespective of standing than any. Sorry Sox fans, but during this golden era we've morphed more than halfway toward the spoiled Yankee fans I grew up with in that regard. Given their loyalty, and how long it's been, and Theo there, as a baseball fan I root for the Cubs to finally do it, there's even (incredibly) ambivalence if the sox face them. The Cubs and their fandom are often compared to the pre-2004 Sox, but they are fairly different. The Cubs not only haven't won in a longer period, they've often been mediocre-to-terrible and their fandom's trauma appropriately different for such. The Sox at least got close about every decade or so during their drought, and had numerous good teams that just weren't as good as the Yankees. The Cubs? Quintessential, cute, lovable losers; rarely a hope for much more. For a century. So, in that sense, it's great--and remarkable--that the fans are so loyal; yes they really are. Also absolutely hilarious whiners and naysayers on a scale that...remakes the scale (trust me, the sky is always falling in the North Side. A diehard Cubs fan friend of mine STILL won't embrace the optimism for one second). Yet nevertheless unconditionally in love with their team... It could also be bit of a regional thing: Cardinals fans as well, win or lose, are considered the true gentlefolk of baseball fans... That said, are you a Red Sox fan or not? If you are, sorry, you don't root for the Cubs against the Sox. Ever. If so, the ambivalence you're feeling is the very thing you're criticizing Sox fans for...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2016 3:59:25 GMT -5
I can't stand the pick off rule. I would only allow a pitcher to use it three times a inning before I call a balk each time thereafter.
Bring back the bullpen carts and don't allow relievers to warm up once they have been warming up in the bullpen for 5-10 minutes. I don't know, seems dumb to let a guy warm up after that's all he's been doing before he came into the game in the first place. Let him have 5 tosses and let's go.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2016 4:09:25 GMT -5
Koji expected to miss at least a month.
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Post by jimedsright on Jul 22, 2016 4:10:40 GMT -5
Maddox's hipster vibe and the fact he carries an attitude like he is always the smartest guy in the room is incredibly annoying. I also lost respect for him with all the BS he pulled when he managed the Rays and the various beanball wars with the Red Sox, including attempting to hit Daubach multiple times in one game, hitting Crisp after he stole a base the prior game and hitting so many Red Sox players one game that Nixon "lost control of his bat" which went out by the pitcher. I hope the Cubs win the WS some day as long as Maddon is out of the picture. I agree with everything you said, I'd just like to add that Maddon is so overrated. He folds under pressure and you can bet anything that his teams will always fold as well. At least this Cubs team isn't filled with soft players like Evan Longoria and BJ Upton, so they might stand a chance once they kick him out. Know we're veering away from Sox-Twins here, but can't pass up a chance to take a shot at Jenius Joe: In Maddon's defense, his persona was 1) largely created by the same sorts of folks in the media who also believe that Derek Jeter was born on Krypton and 2) embraced by Maddon, in part, because he smartly sought to take pressure of his often-talented, but very young, Tampa teams. That said, Maddon DID embrace that whole aura...and like lots of megalomaniacs, probably began to believe his own headlines. The fiction of Maddon isn't really his fault, however. Because he simply doesn't matter that much. No manager does. A manager is far more able to screw things up, then they are to do things that actually WIN games. Some have postulated (maybe it was Verducci) that Maddon might have won as many as 6 games a season while in Tampa. Absurd of course. One or two, perhaps. Which again, in Joe's defense, means a lot when you're clawing for every game in a wildcard race... Interestingly, those by far most critical of him were the Tampa media (I lived there 5 years), who often accused Maddon of "over-managing," and letting his ego get the best of him in some spots. Yes...and YES... He's got a super team now that just needs to be managed soundly, not have someone bend the laws of physics with his sheer genius. Could be interesting come October...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2016 4:21:55 GMT -5
Lastly I'll say based on merit and confidence alone, unless it's raining, Stephen Wright should start the wild card game if the Sox just miss the division title at the end of the year.
Stephen Wright is better than Price at this point. Price can pitch the next game of the playoffs if the Sox advance imo. I don't care about salaries, Stephen Wright is the horse.
Check the weather reports before the game. If there's no chance of rain, start Wright no questions asked.
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Post by jimedsright on Jul 22, 2016 5:36:01 GMT -5
No disrespect intended, but we don't really have much to say about the Twins, do we? Anyone talk to Terry Ryan this week? Would LOVE to read that guy's memoir...
Three words for Twins fans and critics already jumping ship on Byron Buxton: Jackie Bradley Jr. Buxton's 22, guys. Give it at least 2 more years...
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 22, 2016 6:37:16 GMT -5
How about those who thought Ortiz was about finished last year around the all-star break? Or those who thought Ortiz was finished early in the 2010 season or how about those who thought Ortiz was finished in early 2009 when he was hitting .185 and didn't hit his first HR until around Memorial Day? Call me crazy but Ortiz doesn't look finished to me. In November, I will finally buy that he is finished. Anybody who says Ortiz bat speed has slowed down is not watching the man hit. As long as his bat speed remains, he will be able to hit a baseball. However I am a bit worried about if his Achilles or heels will make it through this year. He seems to really struggle to get out of the batters box and run. However no one should doubt that he can still hit a baseball. I have noticed that lately Papi has slimmed down a bit. He is going for it!
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 22, 2016 6:41:55 GMT -5
I can't stand the pick off rule. I would only allow a pitcher to use it three times a inning before I call a balk each time thereafter. Bring back the bullpen carts and don't allow relievers to warm up once they have been warming up in the bullpen for 5-10 minutes. I don't know, seems dumb to let a guy warm up after that's all he's been doing before he came into the game in the first place. Let him have 5 tosses and let's go. So once a pitcher uses 3 pick off moves every base runner can just get lead halfway between whatever base they are on and the next base and steal easily? I'm sorry but that rule would be ridiculous.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 22, 2016 6:45:24 GMT -5
I can't stand the pick off rule. I would only allow a pitcher to use it three times a inning before I call a balk each time thereafter. Bring back the bullpen carts and don't allow relievers to warm up once they have been warming up in the bullpen for 5-10 minutes. I don't know, seems dumb to let a guy warm up after that's all he's been doing before he came into the game in the first place. Let him have 5 tosses and let's go. So once a pitcher uses 3 pick off moves every base runner can just get lead halfway between whatever base they are on and the next base and steal easily? I'm sorry but that rule would be ridiculous. Chose your moves wisely.
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