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8/23 Gameday Thread: Rowdy Ronny Raudes. PawSox face Giolito
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 23, 2016 19:48:26 GMT -5
I'm here. Chatham hit the first pitch from Chalmers for a no-doubter to LF. Ryan Scott followed with a Jack to dead-center. Steen sitting 87-89, without much control. Is Steen even an org guy Amfox? I think he's released in the spring unless there's a 180 somehow, but I don't see it. I had some hopes for him when they seemed to extend to sign him for more than I thought they would (he was worth). He's supposedly an athletic guy, but never seemed to add velocity or develop an outstanding 2nd pitch or develop good control. Tough to sit in the high 80's with little control. Tough to see, based on tonight. Could see if his stuff plays up in shorter bursts next year. Velo was down to low 80s by 5th inning. Manager kept him in too long, trying to get Steen the win, and he gave up a GS to tie the game.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 23, 2016 20:13:14 GMT -5
Huh, so Glorius with the start.
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Post by brnichols19873 on Aug 23, 2016 20:46:31 GMT -5
Huh, so Glorius with the start. Raudes is already at 108 innings after just 74 last season so maybe he hit his limit...
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2016 21:41:20 GMT -5
Giolito is a talent!
Aj Cole, Lopez and giolito, wow, some serious young arms for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 22:21:42 GMT -5
Giolito is a talent! Aj Cole, Lopez and giolito, wow, some serious young arms for them. Giolito is talented, no question. He actually left his start tonight after one inning (not injury related), and the Sox proceeded to get shut out by someone named Aaron Laffey.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 23, 2016 23:50:22 GMT -5
Fun fact: Laffey pitched 4.44 ERA ball mixing starts with relief appearances back for the Indians in 2009 and he rocked a cool 4.4 K/9, with a nearly identical 4.2 BB/9. He also succeeded on his OCD quest in the following year, finishing the year with an identical 4.5 K/9 AND BB/9.
The 2009 Indians rotation also featured Jeremy Sowers, David Huff, Carl Pavano because of course it did and the artist formerly known as Fausto Carmona. Cliff Lee was there until he got traded and when he did that absolutely abomination of a rotation came alive.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 23, 2016 23:51:20 GMT -5
Elias with a less than stellar outing.
Moncada 1/1 HR 4BB 0K. The HR must have scared them. Dubon had the night off. Romanski 3/4 2B. His average is back up to .300.
Chavis got into the Salem game as DH. 1/4.
Tyler Hill, keeps on keepin' on, 2/5 3B. Batting .347 now.
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Post by bnich on Aug 24, 2016 7:17:47 GMT -5
How long before Moncada is asked to stick just as a LHH?
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 24, 2016 7:25:03 GMT -5
No surprise that the top 6 wRC+ in all of pro ball, minimum 90 PA, are all short-season guys. But one of these things is not like the other: 194 Franklin Rollin, Tex, CF, repeating the DSL at age 20 197 Brian Sanchez, StL, RF, ditto 200, Jacob Heyward, SF, LF, 18th round pick, 20, Ariz 203, Andrison Pena, Tex, 3B, 19, DSL. Not a top 50 international prospect. 211, Andrew Calica, Cle, LF, 22, 11th round pick out of UC Santa Barbara in NYPL 241, Bobby Dalbec The second-best performance by an actual prospect is the Mets' Desmond Lindsay, their 2nd round pick last year and #8 prospect, who played CF against the Spinners last night and went 2/3, BB. He's at 193 between 5 games in the GCL and the rest for Brookyln. All this really tells me at this point is that Dalbec belongs in Greenville, if not Salem. Senzel is destroying A ball, Collins is doing well in A+, Ray is off to a slower start in A+. Dalbec has nothing to prove in Lowell. Lowell, Grenville and Salem regular seasons all end on Sept. 5. Greenville is six games behind the division leader with a #7 elimination number. With the promotion of Chavis to Salem, that team now has him and Devers at 3B. Chavis was the DH yesterday. So I don't see and point in moving him now with thirteen games remaining. I agree, though, under different circumstances, Dalbec should be more challenged. We can thank Jason Groome for delaying Dalbec's schedule.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 24, 2016 7:42:35 GMT -5
How long before Moncada is asked to stick just as a LHH? 37 plate appearances vs LHP in Portland. I'd wait until he got a few more.
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Post by nomar on Aug 24, 2016 8:02:42 GMT -5
How long before Moncada is asked to stick just as a LHH? 37 plate appearances vs LHP in Portland. I'd wait until he got a few more. Agreed. I'd give it more time, but come next spring, if the RH swing is still much more rigid than the LH, it may become more of a hot button topic. In Salem, he OPS'd .797 vs LHP in 79 PAs, which was a -.174 spread from his .971 OPS vs RHP. Noticeable difference, yes, and most of it came from a lack of power (.095 ISO vs LH, .224 vs RH). But his Ks were between 21-22% against both R/L. So he didn't seem completely hopeless. The Portland sample, as you said, is too small to judge. There's a solid chance he's even worse vs LHP as a LHB, too. But if he can't get more loft in his RH swing, he may ultimately want to give it up and become a LH only batter because it would offer more upside. Time will tell. Moncada looks the part of a very good hitter either way.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 24, 2016 9:22:33 GMT -5
Huh, so Glorius with the start. Raudes is already at 108 innings after just 74 last season so maybe he hit his limit... Talking with someone in Greenville yesterday, it didn't sound like he was getting shut down. If that had been the case, it wasn't something they'd have decided day of. But we'll see - maybe it just hadn't been communicated. I wouldn't be shocked if he were shut down, but he also only has, what, 2 starts left? How long before Moncada is asked to stick just as a LHH? Years.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 24, 2016 9:51:15 GMT -5
37 plate appearances vs LHP in Portland. I'd wait until he got a few more. Agreed. I'd give it more time, but come next spring, if the RH swing is still much more rigid than the LH, it may become more of a hot button topic. In Salem, he OPS'd .797 vs LHP in 79 PAs, which was a -.174 spread from his .971 OPS vs RHP. Noticeable difference, yes, and most of it came from a lack of power (.095 ISO vs LH, .224 vs RH). But his Ks were between 21-22% against both R/L. So he didn't seem completely hopeless. The Portland sample, as you said, is too small to judge. There's a solid chance he's even worse vs LHP as a LHB, too. But if he can't get more loft in his RH swing, he may ultimately want to give it up and become a LH only batter because it would offer more upside. Time will tell. Moncada looks the part of a very good hitter either way. It sucks that he can't get more plate appearances vs. LHP. Is there a shortage of them or something? I mean he's not going to get better when he's only getting 36 PAs in 40 games.
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Post by southernredsoxality on Aug 24, 2016 10:09:02 GMT -5
I just noticed Moncada hasn't attempted a steal in almost a month, sounds like they told him to shutdown the running game.
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Post by ramireja on Aug 24, 2016 11:32:14 GMT -5
I just noticed Moncada hasn't attempted a steal in almost a month, sounds like they told him to shutdown the running game. Good point. He walked 4 times yesterday.....earlier in the season that would have resulted in like 8 steal attempts.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 24, 2016 11:40:02 GMT -5
Agreed. I'd give it more time, but come next spring, if the RH swing is still much more rigid than the LH, it may become more of a hot button topic. In Salem, he OPS'd .797 vs LHP in 79 PAs, which was a -.174 spread from his .971 OPS vs RHP. Noticeable difference, yes, and most of it came from a lack of power (.095 ISO vs LH, .224 vs RH). But his Ks were between 21-22% against both R/L. So he didn't seem completely hopeless. The Portland sample, as you said, is too small to judge. There's a solid chance he's even worse vs LHP as a LHB, too. But if he can't get more loft in his RH swing, he may ultimately want to give it up and become a LH only batter because it would offer more upside. Time will tell. Moncada looks the part of a very good hitter either way. It sucks that he can't get more plate appearances vs. LHP. Is there a shortage of them or something? I mean he's not going to get better when he's only getting 36 PAs in 40 games. There are fewer LHP in the minors. But with all the money they have invested in this guy, can't they pay $40k to some AAAA lefty from 2015 to pitch to him for a half hour three times a week?
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 24, 2016 11:40:30 GMT -5
Giolito is a talent! Aj Cole, Lopez and giolito, wow, some serious young arms for them. Giolito is talented, no question. He actually left his start tonight after one inning (not injury related), and the Sox proceeded to get shut out by someone named Aaron Laffey. He's taking Strasburg's next turn for the Nats, so it was just a tune-up.
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Post by jmei on Aug 24, 2016 12:05:39 GMT -5
It sucks that he can't get more plate appearances vs. LHP. Is there a shortage of them or something? I mean he's not going to get better when he's only getting 36 PAs in 40 games. There are fewer LHP in the minors. But with all the money they have invested in this guy, can't they pay $40k to some AAAA lefty from 2015 to pitch to him for a half hour three times a week? He is almost certainly getting a disproportionately heavy dose of facing LHP in live BP, etc. so he can work on his RHH swing mechanics. But BP is no substitute for game reps.
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Post by bnich on Aug 24, 2016 14:43:31 GMT -5
How long before Moncada is asked to stick just as a LHH? 37 plate appearances vs LHP in Portland. I'd wait until he got a few more. I agree give it more time. Small sample size to this point. Just asking a question. If he continues in the way he has how long before they put an end to the switch hitting? He seems to be a far superior hitter from the left side of the plate. Can anyone remember a similar prospect that was asked to dump switch hitting during his development? Would you happen to have his numbers against lefties at from his previous two minor league stops?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 24, 2016 14:59:18 GMT -5
37 plate appearances vs LHP in Portland. I'd wait until he got a few more. I agree give it more time. Small sample size to this point. Just asking a question. If he continues in the way he has how long before they put an end to the switch hitting? He seems to be a far superior hitter from the left side of the plate. Can anyone remember a similar prospect that was asked to dump switch hitting during his development? Would you happen to have his numbers against lefties at from his previous two minor league stops? I'd wait for 1000 PAs vs LHP before deciding anything unless he's so awful that it's a no-brainer. But as of now, he could have one good game vs a lefty and no one would be questioning it. In Salem, he had 77 PAs vs LHP this year and OPS'ed .797, though most of that was his ridiculous OBP of .416. In Greenville last year, he had 114 PAs and OPS'ed .951 with a lot of power. You can find all the splits stats here.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 24, 2016 15:14:12 GMT -5
Devil's advocate: his left-handed swing is basically perfect.
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Post by bnich on Aug 25, 2016 18:27:52 GMT -5
I agree give it more time. Small sample size to this point. Just asking a question. If he continues in the way he has how long before they put an end to the switch hitting? He seems to be a far superior hitter from the left side of the plate. Can anyone remember a similar prospect that was asked to dump switch hitting during his development? Would you happen to have his numbers against lefties at from his previous two minor league stops? I'd wait for 1000 PAs vs LHP before deciding anything unless he's so awful that it's a no-brainer. But as of now, he could have one good game vs a lefty and no one would be questioning it. In Salem, he had 77 PAs vs LHP this year and OPS'ed .797, though most of that was his ridiculous OBP of .416. In Greenville last year, he had 114 PAs and OPS'ed .951 with a lot of power. You can find all the splits stats here. Thanks!
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