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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 31, 2017 18:01:34 GMT -5
The Sixers had to say they loved Anderson, otherwise they just gave away Noel. The thing is he looks like nothing more than a guy that's good at D. He wasn't Crowder in College. Crowder was big east POY, it's not a shock he's a good player. Anderson had one good season of shooting the 3 ball and everyone thought he was a good 3 and D player. Forgetting his first two years when he was bad. Even then he wasn't close to a special player in College. In my opinion Rozier has a much higher upside. There's the rub. Our opinion doesn't really matter if we are trying to wrap our heads around why team X didn't trade for player y. Teams evaluate players differently from each other (and, i would assume in many cases, different from us). Maybe yours doesn't but mine certainly does... Danny calls my bat phone
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 31, 2017 18:58:12 GMT -5
Stevens not wasting anytime going to his random lineups.
Edit: Back to back games where Stevens didn't have his team ready to play. They also go two for one, and then Stevens benches Isaiah for defense ... thereby mitigating that two-for-one opportunity.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 31, 2017 20:14:55 GMT -5
Celtics are getting dismantled on the boards, so this brilliant coaching staff responds by giving big minutes to Jerebko.
Comical.
Can't say enough bad things about the team and coaching staff. They talk the talk about how they control their own destiny, and then forget to even show up to the games.
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Post by jmei on Mar 31, 2017 21:01:03 GMT -5
It's funny because Stevens will be a top three coach of the year finisher.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Mar 31, 2017 21:14:40 GMT -5
Celtics are getting dismantled on the boards, so this brilliant coaching staff responds by giving big minutes to Jerebko. Comical. Can't say enough bad things about the team and coaching staff. They talk the talk about how they control their own destiny, and then forget to even show up to the games. I don't get the fascination with Jarebko, I'd rather see Zeller or Green if you want to go small.
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 31, 2017 21:16:45 GMT -5
The team even being in the position to be maddening at times to me it speaks volume to the quality of the work Stevens has done. When you look at the roster it's easy to see why they're inconsistent. It's a team of role players. At times they will click and it will be beautiful, but at times they will nearly lose to the goddamn Magic. Yeah he tries weird wonky stuff, but he kind of has to. There's more talent in the way so there's that. It's funny because Stevens will be a top three coach of the year finisher. If the Celtics somehow finish with the 1st seed I think he's absolute lock to win COTY. Pringles has done a great job in Houston and so has Snyder in Utah. But a 1st seed? With this team?! Beating the Lebrons? It would be a steal if he doesn't win.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 31, 2017 21:21:46 GMT -5
I'm just "scouting the box score" as I didnt see the game but, man, do I love how Aaron Gordon can fill a stat sheet.
As much as I defend Smart, I was really hoping AG would drop to us in that draft. Now that he's playing the 4, I think he'll really flourish.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 31, 2017 21:56:37 GMT -5
It's funny because Stevens will be a top three coach of the year finisher. And as I've said on numerous occasions, I think he's the third best coach in the game. I just don't think he's done his best job this year with rotations, and it shows whenever Isaiah goes to the bench.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 31, 2017 21:58:23 GMT -5
Celtics are getting dismantled on the boards, so this brilliant coaching staff responds by giving big minutes to Jerebko. Comical. Can't say enough bad things about the team and coaching staff. They talk the talk about how they control their own destiny, and then forget to even show up to the games. I don't get the fascination with Jarebko, I'd rather see Zeller or Green if you want to go small. You can flip flop Jerebko and Zeller depending on matchups. But when you're getting crushed on the boards, the Jerebko-Olynyk front court likely isn't the move.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 1, 2017 9:33:44 GMT -5
This isn't to defend any of his rotation last night specifically but one of the reasons his players are ready to play for he most part is they all know they have a chance to play at any given time. They also know that if they play well then they play more. So while we will get frustrated at times with what he's doing it's part of the thing that makes him get the most out of his players.
I also think this will evolve as he gets a better team that's constructed more traditionally. In Danny's world they are still in the phase of the rebuild where they've acquired assets and now they are developing those assets to help them now and longer term. Part of that is figuring out who can play for you and part of that is raising their value for trade purposes etc etc. I know Stevens is the coach but I find it hard to believe he's not heavily involved in what Danny is doing. I don't know this but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't playing guys in situations with development as part of the equation. And I'm not saying they are trying to sacrifice wins now... not at all.. I'm just saying they want to win within a certain system and style and they will do everything they can within that to do so.
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Post by digit on Apr 1, 2017 10:50:47 GMT -5
The weird thing is, it feels like the team is deliberately coached to have the big men box out and let the small guys rebound, because a lot of times I've seen the big men turn their back to the basket when the ball is in the air to look for someone to box out while the guards go to the basket.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 2, 2017 5:25:46 GMT -5
Not to start up the whole topic of the C's ability to get this trade done or not but how would Serge Ibaka look on the Celtics right now? IMO he would look very good and would increase the chances of making it to the ECF by a mile.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 2, 2017 6:22:39 GMT -5
This isn't to defend any of his rotation last night specifically but one of the reasons his players are ready to play for he most part is they all know they have a chance to play at any given time. They also know that if they play well then they play more. So while we will get frustrated at times with what he's doing it's part of the thing that makes him get the most out of his players. I also think this will evolve as he gets a better team that's constructed more traditionally. In Danny's world they are still in the phase of the rebuild where they've acquired assets and now they are developing those assets to help them now and longer term. Part of that is figuring out who can play for you and part of that is raising their value for trade purposes etc etc. I know Stevens is the coach but I find it hard to believe he's not heavily involved in what Danny is doing. I don't know this but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't playing guys in situations with development as part of the equation. And I'm not saying they are trying to sacrifice wins now... not at all.. I'm just saying they want to win within a certain system and style and they will do everything they can within that to do so. So in this scenario, Jarebko shouldn't be seeing any playing time but instead he has played in rotations with the starters. Jarebko has no value past this year, he's a free agent. He's not a asset, but they play him. This guy should be a healthy scratch every night, yet he finds minutes. This really frustrates me. He's awful.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 2, 2017 6:32:45 GMT -5
Not necessarily... they aren't just handing out minutes - guys have to compete and earn them, plus they don't have a young guy behind him to compete for those minutes. It's hard to develop the culture they want if you bench a guy who has earned minutes because you don't think he will be here long term. This stuff isn't black and white.
Also, as long as his salary doesn't balloon Jerebko could be here in a certain role. Personally, I don't think they should be using any cap space on his type of player at this point.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 2, 2017 9:19:39 GMT -5
Jerebko ideally should be an 11th man, but they don't have enough talent up front for that to be the case. Therefore, they're stuck rotating between him and Zeller depending on matchups.
I highly doubt we see either of those players here next season - I expect them to keep Olynyk around on the QO, and then use those two spots on Yabusele and Zizic, who seem to be too good to stash for another year.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 2, 2017 14:41:37 GMT -5
Pelton and Ford look at Rookies from draft this year and rank them based on long-term potential. The shocker is that Ford ranks both Yabu and Zizic ahead of Brown and Pelton ranks Zizic before Brown.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 2, 2017 15:30:50 GMT -5
Pelton isn't surprising to me bc he bases everything off statistical analysis (he and Ford are often paired up to give both the statistical and "scouting" views). Brown, both in college and during his rookie season, "fails" the advanced analytics test.
Would've thought Brown would be higher for Ford bc he passes more of the "eye test".
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 2, 2017 15:56:40 GMT -5
Well I think that's the shocker. I wasn't high on the Brown or Yabu pick, but loved the Zizic pick. Zizic put up better or similar numbers as Jokic and Nurkic in the same league at the same age. Thing is Brown was seen as a long-term project and has looked a lot better than I would have thought. He has a long way to go, but has already made major strides from last year in college.
Ford is using Pelton's projections on Yabu to rank him so high, yet even Pelton doesn't have him in top 10. Yabu is the real shocker and I would be very happy to be wrong about him. I have to see if I can find his recent D league game online. I want to see if he is in shape, because he looked like Sullinger in Summer League.
In a draft that was epic for the depth it had, it would be amazing to have 3 of the top 10 players and having Brown being the third best player.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 2, 2017 16:33:18 GMT -5
He's in shape and looks even more athletic than before. His highlights from the first two games are on YouTube, but highlight reels aren't perfect for evaluating talent for obvious reasons.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 2, 2017 17:02:54 GMT -5
He looks to be in better shape, still think he could do a little better. Athletically one game had just as many nice plays as his summer league altogether. Nice to see he looks good, if he just keeps working on his conditioning he could be a true beast like Larry Johnson. His arms are just massive and for a big guy he is moving very well.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 2, 2017 18:04:25 GMT -5
Pelton and Ford look at Rookies from draft this year and rank them based on long-term potential. The shocker is that Ford ranks both Yabu and Zizic ahead of Brown and Pelton ranks Zizic before Brown. Thats crazy. That means the Celtics did a hell of a Job in this draft because Brown is a really good player.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 2, 2017 18:06:17 GMT -5
Well I think that's the shocker. I wasn't high on the Brown or Yabu pick, but loved the Zizic pick. Zizic put up better or similar numbers as Jokic and Nurkic in the same league at the same age. Thing is Brown was seen as a long-term project and has looked a lot better than I would have thought. He has a long way to go, but has already made major strides from last year in college. Ford is using Pelton's projections on Yabu to rank him so high, yet even Pelton doesn't have him in top 10. Yabu is the real shocker and I would be very happy to be wrong about him. I have to see if I can find his recent D league game online. I want to see if he is in shape, because he looked like Sullinger in Summer League. In a draft that was epic for the depth it had, it would be amazing to have 3 of the top 10 players and having Brown being the third best player. Celtics owner was on the radio and said they are keeping track of body fat and he is doing good.
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 2, 2017 19:54:09 GMT -5
The other possibility is that Chad Ford is a ______ [fill in the blank].
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 3, 2017 6:53:01 GMT -5
Yabu looks like a beast who could play for the Pats.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2017 8:12:10 GMT -5
Yabu and Zizic are both guys I can see helping this team a lot down the road. I'm going to temper my expectations with them being better than Brown, but that has a lot to do with the fact I expect big things from Jaylen. I agree that Yabusele and Zizic take the places of Jerebko and Zeller next season, and I think people need to understand that without knowing the other moves that are made that this team may take a step back next year, at least in terms of wins and seeding but be better off for it.
There is a good possibility that they will be working 3 rookies into the regular rotation next year. I don't care how good the rookies are, defensively there are going to be some big growing pains. The rewards though could be massive even if it's the 2018-19 season in which they become reality.
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