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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2017 8:21:54 GMT -5
Thank god the Lakers won last night - apparently the Nets want to keep winning. 4 game back from the 2 seed with 5 remaining. Celtics play them and better win for all sorts of reasons but the other 4 games are all winnable for the Nets... Sixers, Magic and Bulls twice.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 3, 2017 12:07:40 GMT -5
The other possibility is that Chad Ford is a ______ [fill in the blank]. Tool Bag! He is a full on Snap-on Tool!
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2017 19:07:06 GMT -5
The other possibility is that Chad Ford is a ______ [fill in the blank]. Tool Bag! He is a full on Snap-on Tool! I think "loving father" was the correct answer
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 3, 2017 19:36:13 GMT -5
Thank god the Lakers won last night - apparently the Nets want to keep winning. 4 game back from the 2 seed with 5 remaining. Celtics play them and better win for all sorts of reasons but the other 4 games are all winnable for the Nets... Sixers, Magic and Bulls twice. Bulls twice? The Bulls are fighting for post-season and have just beat the Lebrons. Not sure that's winnable for the Nets.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2017 20:26:02 GMT -5
Yes Bulls twice... they end home vs Bulls, then at Celtics and at Bulls... day off between each game...
I don't like that they seem to have their mind set right... makes next year less likely to be a disaster.... hopefully, they can trade Lopez expiring deal
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 3, 2017 20:48:09 GMT -5
Yes Bulls twice... they end home vs Bulls, then at Celtics and at Bulls... day off between each game... I don't like that they seem to have their mind set right... makes next year less likely to be a disaster.... hopefully, they can trade Lopez expiring deal Yeah there's a good chance we're not getting a top 3 pick from them next year. I still think it lands in the top 10 though, that roster sucks big time and it would take some serious non-Nets like deals to make it better. There's a chance, but not a good one. Sadly I don't think we're getting Michael Porter next year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 3, 2017 20:51:50 GMT -5
This is funny... from a Celtics direct blog post on the Ford and Pelton article.
"That's quite a leap for Guerschon Yabusele and Ante Zizic who were picked 16th and 23rd respectively. Zizic hasn't gotten a lot of buzz this year as a player who will likely outperform his draft spot, but this is the first I've heard of Yabu being lauded so highly. Even if it's by the guy who is most known for driving the Darko Milicic band wagon (and editing his mock drafts years later to make himself look better), it's still noteworthy."
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 3, 2017 23:00:22 GMT -5
Yes Bulls twice... they end home vs Bulls, then at Celtics and at Bulls... day off between each game... I don't like that they seem to have their mind set right... makes next year less likely to be a disaster.... hopefully, they can trade Lopez expiring deal Yeah there's a good chance we're not getting a top 3 pick from them next year. I still think it lands in the top 10 though, that roster sucks big time and it would take some serious non-Nets like deals to make it better. There's a chance, but not a good one. Sadly I don't think we're getting Michael Porter next year. Im not sure! The Lakers and the Suns have more players that will be better next season. The Nets are the only team that can get worse. They are by far the least talented. Who do you think will have the worst record?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 3, 2017 23:38:06 GMT -5
The Laker can be worse next year. Lou Williams getting traded changed that team. They have a lot of young talent, but it's not that good right now. The Sun's lost Tucker, they could trade Chandler, Knight or Bledsoe. The Kings could easily be right there next year.
The big kicker is the Nets have no reason to tank. Just look at this year, tons of teams are tanking and they are trying. Next year that could really hurt you. They have tons of cap space again, so they most likely add some players to help them. Without Lin going down for half a season they most likely don't have worst record this year.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 3, 2017 23:43:17 GMT -5
The Laker can be worse next year. Lou Williams getting traded changed that team. They have a lot of young talent, but it's not that good right now. The Sun's lost Tucker, they could trade Chandler, Knight or Bledsoe. The Kings could easily be right there next year. The big kicker is the Nets have no reason to tank. Just look at this year, tons of teams are tanking and they are trying. Next year that could really hurt you. They have tons of cap space again, so they most likely add some players to help them. Without Lin going down for half a season they most likely don't have worst record this year. Then the Celtics have to trade the 2018 pick and get in this years Lottery because its such a deep draft right?
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Post by texs31 on Apr 4, 2017 6:40:38 GMT -5
Offseason could be interesting for LAL too. Can they get George? He sounds like a frustrated guy and Indiana might look to get something for him before he opts out.
Not sure what it would take with only 1 year left but George plus whatever is left over won't be a top of the lottery candidate.
On the BRK pick, they are not going to trade it just bc 17 is deep and BRK MIGHT not be as bad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2017 7:17:12 GMT -5
The thing the Nets have going for them is a front office and coaching staff that seems to be on the same page and has the team playing hard all year, despite the losses. Most terrible teams are surrounded by dysfunction but the Nets seem to have rectified that issue. We will see if it can carry over for a 2nd straight year but there's little reason to think it can't if they don't have veterans crying about their careers more than the long term for the team. Lin and Lopez and Foye are all great leaders for the young guys there. But first of all, even if they just have the 5th worst record it's still a draft lottery and even though the odds aren't great the Celtics can still end up with a top 3 pick next year. Beyond that, even a pick in the 5-8 range can produce a very good young player for them that can help with what Danny is trying to build long-term so you don't just deal the pick because you are worried the Nets might not be quite as bad as this season.
It's hard to say who is going to be with the Nets next year as a brutal team, but we do know the Nets will be a lottery team and most likely one of the 5 worst squads.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2017 7:32:55 GMT -5
The Lakers blow and their young talent could very well be over-rated. Seriously... if I were a fan I don't think I'd feel too good about the guys I have...
Russell seems to be getting better and his versatility makes it so you can add either a PG or SG to the team with him which I do admit is big. If he didn't have the locker room/off court and attitude crap hanging over him then I'd feel a lot different about him. Basketball wise he fits the bill of what the Lakers should want but what he did is so out of line I don't know how someone who's supposed to be a leader can come back from that.
Randle - he seems to be what he is... he's a good rebounder but a low post player without range in a league where those guys are dinosaurs. He's not a great defensive player either which you kind of need with that type of player. Tristian Thompson works for the Cavs for a couple reasons. One, he's an energy guy that does a ton of dirty work - rebounds and plays great defense and hustles. Two - they had his bird rights and could sign him after they already had James - Irving and Love.... if they had to sign him to a big deal using money that would have stopped them from getting that other player it would be problematic. The Lakers are going to have to decide on Randle first and I don't think he's worth giving a contract to in their situation. I'd look to trade him to a team win the pieces in place who can get his Bird rights to sign him.
Ingram - as a Duke fan I love Brandon Ingram but man is he having a bad first season. He needs to physically transform himself... I've only seen him a little bit so my observations need to be taken with a grain of salt but he's been completely over matched in the games I've seen.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2017 8:06:19 GMT -5
Btw Nurkic broke his leg and is out for the season. Tough blow for Portland. Karma is a b!+[# though for Nurkic.... can't quit on your team buddy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2017 8:42:06 GMT -5
How far has Bradleys defense fallen this year? Or is it as good as ever and defensive statistics just can't properly measure it. About 2 weeks ago , people here were taking about how much better the Celtics have been defensively since his return. In stead of looming it up, I lazily said something like "im pretty sure the team started playing a lot better defensively before Bradley came back." And I still haven't looked it up, but I'm pretty sure some people's first reaction to reading what's coming next will be to default to that same thought.
Take this nugget from BR end of year rankings for the leagues shooting guards:
"Avery Bradley remains a confounding player whose advanced metrics don't match the eye test. The Boston Celtics clearly count on him to serve as a defensive ace alongside the sieve known as Isaiah Thomas, and his pestilent production forces ball-handlers into mistakes far outside the three-point arc. However, ESPN.com's DRPM doesn't just sneer at his defensive merits; it lists him as such a negative that his score tops only those earned by 37 of the 99 players at his position. Plus, the C's have strangely allowed an additional 3.2 points per 100 possessions while he plays. "
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Post by digit on Apr 4, 2017 9:15:37 GMT -5
Without knowing who he plays with, I'd be hesistant on making generalizations about 'while he plays'.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 4, 2017 10:38:13 GMT -5
What is the Deal with Bradley? How does he keep getting a bug over and over again? I find that pretty hard to believe, how come no one else on the team is getting sick? These guys share a locker room and practice full contact and everything. I feel like they want to take it really easy on his achilles even though there is no injury to report and they dont want to say he is resting.
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Post by telluricrook on Apr 4, 2017 10:40:48 GMT -5
How far has Bradleys defense fallen this year? Or is it as good as ever and defensive statistics just can't properly measure it. About 2 weeks ago , people here were taking about how much better the Celtics have been defensively since his return. In stead of looming it up, I lazily said something like "im pretty sure the team started playing a lot better defensively before Bradley came back." And I still haven't looked it up, but I'm pretty sure some people's first reaction to reading what's coming next will be to default to that same thought. Take this nugget from BR end of year rankings for the leagues shooting guards: "Avery Bradley remains a confounding player whose advanced metrics don't match the eye test. The Boston Celtics clearly count on him to serve as a defensive ace alongside the sieve known as Isaiah Thomas, and his pestilent production forces ball-handlers into mistakes far outside the three-point arc. However, ESPN.com's DRPM doesn't just sneer at his defensive merits; it lists him as such a negative that his score tops only those earned by 37 of the 99 players at his position. Plus, the C's have strangely allowed an additional 3.2 points per 100 possessions while he plays. " I can tell you Devin Booker does not sniff 70 points if Avery Bradley was on him for 30 minutes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 4, 2017 13:51:57 GMT -5
The Lakers future is all about if they get a top 3 pick, if they do they keep it and there 2019 pick. If not they lose picks in 2017 and 2019, karma I love it.
It's going to be hard to trade for elite players without those picks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 4, 2017 14:03:01 GMT -5
As for Bradley it's the same things as always. Playing with Thomas is going to hurt your numbers. His RPM went down the minute Thomas showed up. Second while he probably is the best on ball defender among guards, I don't think Bradley is one of the best overall defenders at guard like some people think. His lack of size hurts him. He's at his best guarding ball dominant PGs, like Curry. Thing is he's a SG, not a PG.
Play him with Smart for 30 mins a night and his defensive stats would look a lot better, I just don't think they would ever be truly elite.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2017 14:12:45 GMT -5
As for Bradley it's the same things as always. Playing with Thomas is going to hurt your numbers. His RPM went down the minute Thomas showed up. Second while he probably is the best on ball defender among guards, I don't think Bradley is one of the best overall defenders at guard like some people think. His lack of size hurts him. He's at his best guarding ball dominant PGs, like Curry. Thing is he's a SG, not a PG. Play him with Smart for 30 mins a night and his defensive stats would look a lot better, I just don't think they would ever be truly elite. I'm no expert but I've also seen things that suggest his help and off ball defense isn't all that good. So like you mention he's a great on ball one v one defender but not a great team defender.
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Post by ctfisher on Apr 4, 2017 14:47:37 GMT -5
As for Bradley it's the same things as always. Playing with Thomas is going to hurt your numbers. His RPM went down the minute Thomas showed up. Second while he probably is the best on ball defender among guards, I don't think Bradley is one of the best overall defenders at guard like some people think. His lack of size hurts him. He's at his best guarding ball dominant PGs, like Curry. Thing is he's a SG, not a PG. Play him with Smart for 30 mins a night and his defensive stats would look a lot better, I just don't think they would ever be truly elite. I'm no expert but I've also seen things that suggest his help and off ball defense isn't all that good. So like you mention he's a great on ball one v one defender but not a great team defender. I think this is all absolutely true, but there's still a ton of value in having an on ball stopper like that- probably don't beat Cleveland last game without Bradley hitting a big 3 and smothering kyrie late
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Post by texs31 on Apr 4, 2017 15:01:37 GMT -5
The Lakers future is all about if they get a top 3 pick, if they do they keep it and there 2019 pick. If not they lose picks in 2017 and 2019, karma I love it. It's going to be hard to trade for elite players without those picks. I'm not sure a guy who is likely in the last year of his contract and seems to want to sign with you if he does opt out (George) is worth a top 3 pick though. Maybe the plan would be to obtain a different elite player with that pick(s) and then lure George in free agency. Not sure who that would be but . . .
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2017 15:12:11 GMT -5
They should totally just wait it out and sign George
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Post by texs31 on Apr 4, 2017 15:28:22 GMT -5
If Indiana demands the top 3, I would agree 100%. Less than that? I guess it would depend how much less.
Ingram and Russell as the headliners?
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