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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 10, 2017 20:37:55 GMT -5
I think people are putting too much emphasis on this player. He really only has to be a 1.5 to 2.0 War player, which I believe he will be if he stays healthy and slimmed down.
We are loaded, guys. We are about to run roughshod over this league. I have never really been this excited for a season, except the earlyto mid 2000 teams. I am getting goosebumps just thinking about trashing the Yankmes.
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Post by borisman on Feb 11, 2017 8:28:24 GMT -5
I think people are putting too much emphasis on this player. He really only has to be a 1.5 to 2.0 War player, which I believe he will be if he stays healthy and slimmed down. We are loaded, guys. We are about to run roughshod over this league. I have never really been this excited for a season, except the earlyto mid 2000 teams. I am getting goosebumps just thinking about trashing the Yankmes. The Indians say hello. Not that our division is a piece of cake either. And did you hear Big Papi hung up his cleats? Roughshod? I don't think so. Esp with Farrell running the ship.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 11, 2017 12:04:41 GMT -5
I think people are putting too much emphasis on this player. He really only has to be a 1.5 to 2.0 War player, which I believe he will be if he stays healthy and slimmed down. We are loaded, guys. We are about to run roughshod over this league. I have never really been this excited for a season, except the earlyto mid 2000 teams. I am getting goosebumps just thinking about trashing the Yankmes. The Indians say hello. Not that our division is a piece of cake either. And did you hear Big Papi hung up his cleats? Roughshod? I don't think so. Esp with Farrell running the ship. One word....I love Benintendi
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Post by Coreno on Feb 11, 2017 13:01:50 GMT -5
that's... that's not one word.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Feb 11, 2017 16:59:56 GMT -5
Never a problem having too many good players, hoping for the best here. But there's a real chance we have no good player at 3B between Sandoval, Holt, and the minor leaguers. Let's assume you are correct, and no-one knows the answer to that. One hole on a team as deep as we are will not prevent us from winning the division.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 11, 2017 17:42:22 GMT -5
that's... that's not one word. Joaquin Andujar reference?
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Post by borisman on Mar 18, 2017 16:02:01 GMT -5
Should Pablo Sandoval be worked as hard as he's been this spring (and I'm just talking about the amount of time he's spent playing in games, as I don't know how hard he's being worked in practice/drills, etc.)? He's coming off a missed a season and he's also lost enough weight in a short period of time where I think it wasn't easily accomplished. So he's had a lot of work prior to the spring to get in shape, rehab, whatever. I just don't want him to get "overworked" and wind up getting injured if the Sox plan on having him as their everyday 3B. He's missed a lot of time and I understand that he needs work but he's not exactly a 20-something with energy to burn. Unless they're trying to implement some changes into his game I just don't see the point.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 18, 2017 16:50:55 GMT -5
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Post by rookie13 on Mar 18, 2017 18:14:38 GMT -5
Am I the only one who thought Pablo is a lot older than 30?
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 19, 2017 5:13:25 GMT -5
Should Pablo Sandoval be worked as hard as he's been this spring (and I'm just talking about the amount of time he's spent playing in games, as I don't know how hard he's being worked in practice/drills, etc.)? He's coming off a missed a season and he's also lost enough weight in a short period of time where I think it wasn't easily accomplished. So he's had a lot of work prior to the spring to get in shape, rehab, whatever. I just don't want him to get "overworked" and wind up getting injured if the Sox plan on having him as their everyday 3B. He's missed a lot of time and I understand that he needs work but he's not exactly a 20-something with energy to burn. Unless they're trying to implement some changes into his game I just don't see the point. I guess this could be a bit of a concern but in regards to the weight I am pretty sure he lost most of that last summer. And if the Sox plan on platooning him a bit at 3rd I would imagine he should be fine.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 4, 2017 12:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by sibbysisti on Apr 4, 2017 16:18:33 GMT -5
Glad to see Pablo with a good Spring and first game. Hoping he keeps it going to up his trade value. It would be helpful to reduce the cap hit his salary impacts.
Based on his minor league experience and performance when in the Red Sox lineup, I'm confident Marco can improve on the defense at 3B and put up the numbers offensively.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 13, 2017 7:50:50 GMT -5
It's too bad Marco Hernandez bats left handed.... they really could use a right-handed platoon partner for Pablo.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 13, 2017 8:44:17 GMT -5
I wonder if Hanley could play 3rd and DH Young. Probably best not to mess with Hanley tho
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Post by jdb on Jun 21, 2017 7:23:14 GMT -5
Dumb question. Is there a way to get Pablo off the roster and not count towards the luxury tax ala Rusney and Craig? Is there a limit on something like that?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 21, 2017 7:40:28 GMT -5
Dumb question. Is there a way to get Pablo off the roster and not count towards the luxury tax ala Rusney and Craig? Is there a limit on something like that? No, there isn't. They have to pay him and his contract counts in the luxury tax computation for the duration of his contract.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 7:53:12 GMT -5
Dumb question. Is there a way to get Pablo off the roster and not count towards the luxury tax ala Rusney and Craig? Is there a limit on something like that? No, there isn't. They have to pay him and his contract counts in the luxury tax computation for the duration of his contract. How did they cut craig and Castillo and not have it count against the cap? I thought they just took them off the 40 man roster and waited to see if someone claimed him.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2017 9:29:26 GMT -5
Dumb question. Is there a way to get Pablo off the roster and not count towards the luxury tax ala Rusney and Craig? Is there a limit on something like that? Unlike Craig and Castillo, Sandoval has more than five years of service time and can refuse outright assignment. Here are the CBA rules regarding it:
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Post by patford on Jun 21, 2017 11:47:47 GMT -5
I still think Sandoval can help the team. He seems to have worked hard. It's evident he has lost weight. The two injuries have made it almost impossible to evaluate his performance because he has missed so much time and most recently may have been rushed back. Given the circumstances of his contract, unless he is causing a problem in the clubhouse, the Sox have nothing to lose by giving him an extended opportunity. I do think he needs to show he can handle 3B defensively before he goes back out on the field. It may be the knee sprain is holding him back.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2017 11:54:55 GMT -5
I still think Sandoval can help the team. He seems to have worked hard. It's evident he has lost weight. The two injuries have made it almost impossible to evaluate his performance because he has missed so much time and most recently may have been rushed back. Given the circumstances of his contract, unless he is causing a problem in the clubhouse, the Sox have nothing to lose by giving him an extended opportunity. I do think he needs to show he can handle 3B defensively before he goes back out on the field. It may be the knee sprain is holding him back. Except the division in a year where they traded a ton of prospects to compete immediately. Thinking Sandoval is going to turn it around is fine, but he's been one of baseball's worst players this year. He's worse than Rutledge and Marrero. So giving him a long look to see if he can right the ship has a definite downside.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2017 12:15:03 GMT -5
I still think Sandoval can help the team. He seems to have worked hard. It's evident he has lost weight. The two injuries have made it almost impossible to evaluate his performance because he has missed so much time and most recently may have been rushed back. Given the circumstances of his contract, unless he is causing a problem in the clubhouse, the Sox have nothing to lose by giving him an extended opportunity. I do think he needs to show he can handle 3B defensively before he goes back out on the field. It may be the knee sprain is holding him back. One downside is that he's so inept against LHP that Farrell preferred to use Vazquez at 3B than to let Pablo hit. There are a lot of other downsides as well, such as contributing to losing games.
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Post by ryan24 on Jun 21, 2017 12:20:17 GMT -5
Dumb question. Is there a way to get Pablo off the roster and not count towards the luxury tax ala Rusney and Craig? Is there a limit on something like that? Unlike Craig and Castillo, Sandoval has more than five years of service time and can refuse outright assignment. Here are the CBA rules regarding it: I guess what confuses me is that if you take him off the 40 man roster and still pay him. He is not being assigned to another club. You no longer want his services. Nobody will put in a claim because of the high salary. He gets his money and sits home with his toes in the water. He is no longer on the 40 man roster so I would not think it counts against the cap. If he wants to play during those 2 years, then he signs off on some kind of deal. I thought normally if you DFA a player other teams can claim him, in this case because of the high salary and his present performance level no one would claim him. And only the 40 man roster counts against the cap. Guess it don't work that way.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2017 12:23:52 GMT -5
If you release a player then his money counts against the luxury tax. If you outright someone (like Castillo and Craig) to the minors and off of the 40-man roster, it does not. They have to pay all of them.
If he were to sign with another team, his luxury tax number would be what the Red Sox owe him minus what that other team were to agree to pay him. So if he's released and signs with someone for like $800K in 2018, there would be $800K of cap savings next year.
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Post by patford on Jun 21, 2017 13:16:15 GMT -5
I still think Sandoval can help the team. He seems to have worked hard. It's evident he has lost weight. The two injuries have made it almost impossible to evaluate his performance because he has missed so much time and most recently may have been rushed back. Given the circumstances of his contract, unless he is causing a problem in the clubhouse, the Sox have nothing to lose by giving him an extended opportunity. I do think he needs to show he can handle 3B defensively before he goes back out on the field. It may be the knee sprain is holding him back. One downside is that he's so inept against LHP that Farrell preferred to use Vazquez at 3B than to let Pablo hit. There are a lot of other downsides as well, such as contributing to losing games. I'm making the, perhaps faulty, assumption that his poor play in the field is tied to the knee injury and not enough time in the minors on rehab. The guy is only 30 and was never known as a poor defensive player. His range was never great but he had good quick hands. Also Rutledge is hitting poorly. I'm not opposed to giving Devers a shot. It's a good spot for him getting a try with a public announcement that he's going right back down. Then we hope he makes that impossible.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 21, 2017 13:21:36 GMT -5
Anyway, I've been talking for like 25 years now about how Matt Hague can actually play. I'm guessing it wouldn't take a whole lot to pry a 31-year-old Rochester Red Wing stuck behind Miguel Sano away from the Twins, so let's make this happen.
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